March 2010 - members-discuss - mailman.ripe.net

[ncc-announce] RIPE NCC offices closed on 2 and 5 April 2010
by Saskia van Gorp 29 Mar '10

29 Mar '10

Dear Colleagues, Our offices will be closed on Friday 2 April (Good Friday) and Monday 5 April (Easter Monday). Normal office hours will resume on Tuesday 6 April 2010. Regards, Saskia van Gorp Front Office Manager RIPE NCC

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[ncc-announce] RIPE NCC General Meeting May 2010 - Registration Open
by Axel Pawlik 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Dear RIPE NCC member, The RIPE NCC Executive Board is pleased to invite you to the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM). The GM will be held on Wednesday, 5 May 2010 from 16:00-19:00. The GM will be held adjacent to the RIPE 60 Meeting, which takes place from 3-7 May 2010 at the Prague Marriot Hotel in the Czech Republic. The GM will consist of two parts: * The RIPE NCC Services Working Group session will begin at 16:00 and will include the presentation of the report from the RIPE NCC. This part of the GM is open to everyone. * The second part of the GM follows immediately after the RIPE NCC Services Working Group session and is only open to RIPE NCC members who have registered for the GM. This part of the meeting is the forum in which RIPE NCC members can discuss the operations and activities of the RIPE NCC and exercise their voting rights. More information about the GM is available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2010/ Registration ---------------- You must register for the GM separately from the RIPE 60 Meeting. As a member, you can attend both the RIPE NCC Services Working Group session and the members-only section of the GM without being registered for RIPE 60. See below for further information on the RIPE NCC Services Working Group session. You can register for the GM online at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2010/registration Please complete the online registration form by 21 April 2010. If more than one authorised person from your organisation is to attend the GM, each person will need to register separately. Voting rights will be assigned to the person who registers first. If your organisation is to be represented by a third party, not being an authorised employee or director, please fill out the proxy form and send it to us by 21 April 2010. Any proxy sent to us after this date will not be valid. The proxy form is available to download here: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2010/proxy.html Draft Agenda ------------------ The draft agenda for the GM is available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2010/agenda.html Report from the RIPE NCC ----------------------------------- The Report from the RIPE NCC presentation will be given during the RIPE NCC Services Working Group session during RIPE 60, which constitutes the first part of the GM. GM attendees who have not registered for the RIPE Meeting are welcome to participate in this working group session. This takes place on Wednesday, 5 May 2010 from 16:00-17:30, immediately before the members-only section of the GM. The report from the RIPE NCC presentation will not be repeated in the members-only section of the GM. Executive Board Elections ---------------------------------- Voting for the appointment of two RIPE NCC Executive Board members will take place at the GM. The vacant seats are for two three-year terms. In compliance with the RIPE NCC Articles of Association, the RIPE NCC is calling for nominations to the RIPE NCC Executive Board. The deadline for nominations is Wednesday, 14 April 2010. Details on the RIPE NCC Executive Board election process, including how to nominate candidates, are available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-may2010/elections/index.html Voting and Resolutions ------------------------------- Candidate members are welcome to attend the GM but are not permitted to vote according to article 16.7 of the RIPE NCC Articles of Association. Full members who are not able to attend the GM but still want to vote can do so by means of proxy voting as per article 16. For the first time, electronic voting for the RIPE NCC Executive Board elections is possible for those participating remotely. Invitations to register for electronic voting will be sent to the registered contact persons for all members. If you wish to vote electronically in the Executive Board elections, please carefully follow the instructions in the invitation email you receive. Please also note that the GM can only pass resolutions that have been submitted and published according to article 15 of the RIPE NCC Articles of Association. The RIPE NCC Articles of Association can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/articles-association.html We send invitations for General Meetings by email only. However, if your organisation wishes to receive this and future invitations for General Meetings by regular post, please let us know by emailing us at <agm(a)ripe.net>. If you have any questions about the GM, please email us at <agm(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC Important dates 18 March 2010 Call for nominations for RIPE NCC Executive Board 25 March 2010 GM registration opens 25 March 2010 Draft agenda and proposed resolutions posted online 14 April 2010 Deadline for nominations to Executive Board* 21 April 2010 Submission deadline for proposed resolutions 21 April 2010 Online registration for GM closes 21 April 2010 Deadline for registration for electronic voting 21 April 2010 Proxy forms must be received by the RIPE NCC 5 May 2010 RIPE NCC General Meeting * If there are less than three nominations by 14 April, the RIPE NCC Executive Board will nominate sufficient candidates to ensure there is an election.

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[ncc-announce] RIPE 60: Registration Now Open
by RIPE NCC Meeting Coordinator 11 Mar '10

11 Mar '10

Dear Colleagues, RIPE 60 will take place on 3-7 May 2010 in Prague, Czech Republic. You can now register online for RIPE 60 at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/registration Tickets -------- You can register for the full week (350 euro) or choose a day ticket for a particular day (125 euro). Discounted week tickets are available for students (175 euro). If you are a new LIR you may be entitled to free entry to the meeting. More information is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/introduction.html Meeting Venue/ Hotel: ------------- RIPE 60 will take place in the Prague Marriott Hotel. Discounted room rates have been negotiated for RIPE Meeting attendees. Instructions on how to book your hotel can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/venue.html More information is available, and will be continually updated, at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-60/ Regards, The RIPE Meeting Team RIPE NCC

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Sponsoring request Piratenpartij Nederland
by Sven Olaf Kamphuis 07 Mar '10

07 Mar '10

Pardon the interruption regarding this somewhat unusual request, but please forward this to your sponsoring/donations/legal/lobbying department: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Internet Industry representatives: The Pirate Party Netherlands ( Piratenpartij Nederland), which is concerned with online and offline civil rights and a revision (reduction) of copyright law, is planning to take part in the upcoming parliamentary elections in the Netherlands. Although participation in the elections is open to all parties, it is not without costs. Therefore, the Pirate Party needs external funding from both individuals and organisations which share our vision. The costs which we incur are the following: - EUR 11250.- deposit to the election council (www.kiesraad.nl), to be recieved back if the party attains 75% of one parliamentary seat. - EUR 450.- registration fee for political parties at election council (www.kiesraad.nl) - EUR 500.- notary costs - EUR 150.- chamber of commerce registration (formal association with legal personality) - Online and offline advertising and campaign costs That is why we ask organisations and individuals for contributions to Pirate Party Netherlands. More information can be found at: http://staging.piratenpartij.nl/ Kind regards, representing Pirate Party Netherlands Rogier Huurman, Secretary Pirate Party Netherlands Sven Olaf Kamphuis, Member Piratenpartei Deutschland Member Piratenpartij Nederland Contact: Samir Allioui, Co-President at Pirate Parties International Chairman Piratenpartij Nederland +31627588738 samir.alioui(a)piratenpartij.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geachte vertegenwoordigers van de Internet Industrie, De Piratenpartij Nederland, die zich inzet voor online en offline burgerrechten alsmede een herziening (beperking) van de auteursrechten, is voornemens deel te nemen aan de komende verkiezingen voor de Tweede Kamer der Staten Generaal. Deelname aan de verkiezingen is dan wel vrij voor iedereen, maar het is zeker niet gratis. De Piratenpartij heeft daarom behoefte aan externe financiC+le injecties van zowel particulieren als organisaties die zich door onze standpunten aangesproken voelen. De kosten die wij moeten maken zijn als volgt: - 11250 euro borgstelling voor de kiesraad (www.kiesraad.nl), terug te ontvangen van de kiesraad door de partij bij het halen van 0.75e deel van 1 zetel - 450 euro eenmalige inschrijvingskosten kieslijst (www.kiesraad.nl) - 500 euro notariskosten - 150 euro kamer van koophandel (formele vereniging met rechtspersoon) - Online en offline advertentie- en campagnekosten Wij vragen daarom organisaties en particulieren om bijdragen ten bate van de Piratenpartij Nederland. Verdere informatie is beschikbaar op http://staging.piratenpartij.nl/ Met vriendelijke groet, namens Piratenpartij Nederland, Rogier Huurman, Secretary Pirate Party Netherlands Sven Olaf Kamphuis, Lid Piratenpartei Deutschland Lid Piratenpartei Nederland Contact: Samir Allioui, Co-President at Pirate Parties International Voorzitter Piratenpartij Nederland +31627588738 samir.alioui(a)piratenpartij.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PiratenPartij Nederland Postbus 58006 NL-1040 HA Amsterdam The Netherlands

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RIPE invoice 2010-I
by Sven Olaf Kamphuis 03 Mar '10

03 Mar '10

we noticed ripe bills as numbers in use by the LIR -themselves- as "Independant resources" rather than the points-based billing model.. surely this was not what the 2007-1 policy was intended to do? i'd say AS numbers in use by the lir themselves fall under the normal points model still, just like PA ipv4 and ipv6 resources... exactly what is so "independant" about our OWN AS number remains unclear to me. scrape a few extra bucks for ripe. RIPE billing department in the mean while claims that this is not an error...

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RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)
by Sven Olaf Kamphuis 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

There you go. let the riots commence 2.0.... keep in mind, most telcos and ISPs (the founders and members of the current IANA -> RIRS -> LIRs model resulting in a global internet which is hard to censor) do not agree on this ITU proposal... it's just that the UN and their ITU do... If we allow them to go forward, this WILL result in a "per country" easy-to-filter internet in a few years when ipv6 is the only serious protocol left. we only need to point out how easy it was for the DDR to simply route all phonecalls to "the west" through a room where people monitored telephone conversations, and this "country specific prefix" is just what the ITU seems to want for the internet. In order to accomplish that they want to create their own address registry, for now "secondary" to the ISP/telco run bottom-down RIR system (RIPE,ARIN,APNIC,AFRINIC,APNIC) but ofcourse we can't expect it to take long before repressive governments start to force "the internets" "in their country" to use only the ITU registry... also very nice of them to invite the "RIRS" to be present at their little negotiation rounds, where the RIRS can each have one vote against oh eh, 150 or so of their members... very democratic.. 5 against 150.. And i bet you they'll go "yes but the RIRs were present at our meetings" in the end, so its better to just send them a letter telling them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine and not even go to their little meetings. How does this relate to our situation in germany: Now for those complaining about me posting to the piratenpartei lists in ENOTGERMAN, too bad for you people... the world is slightly larger than those 140 million or so people that use german on a daily basis. I can personally assure you von der leyen and schaubele would have had wet dreams about this ITU proposal a few months ago still..., and you never know, we may get simular politicians again in the future... (makes it -really- easy to filter all kinds of government-undesired content and activities...) now -we- can always move our office to some other country and take our tax money to some other resort, not a biggie, but don't come complaining to me when germany at some point uses this to build their own chinese bigass golden firewall with flames coming out of its ass to make it faster. i'd say its better to simply not give them the chance to do so. methods available to isps/telcos to stop this: - point out to governments that -we- own the internet, their economy runs over it as a "courtesy" and that we can send them back to the stoneage at any time we like by simply dropping 'their' traffic. (considering the fact that governments themselves are not capable of running anything but a gray-cheese-with-a-dial telephone network, they don't have any other option than to remain friends with us, while -we- can move our business to -any- of the 208 countries or so worldwide, wether the UN likes those countries or not, and pay taxes -there-, and most of the likely candidates are nice and warm and have a beach too and are willing to make deals in the "guaranteed information freedom" aspect ;) - if they get this done, simply ignore their registry, maybe introduce overlaps - if they get this done, drop the whole ipv6 implementation plans and move on to some "next" protocol or even keep ipv4 around if we have to. they need us, we don't need them Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what has your country ever done for you. we have the biggest stick in this matter. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:52:04 +0100 From: Michiel Ettema <MEttema(a)alkmaar.nl> To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group Maybe this will give you an insight in what is planned: http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-d/oth/01/0B/D010B0000073301PDFE.pdf page 89. - 777 - 14. As the use of the Internet and other new technologies increase, - more criminals are provided with opportunities to commit crimes remotely, - via telephone lines and data networks. Presently, malicious programming - code and harmful communications (such as child pornography) may pass - through several carriers located in different countries. And - infrastructures such as banking and finance increasingly are becoming - networked and thereby vulnerable to cyber-attack from distant locations. - We convene today to provide additional personal attention to and - direction for our joint action against this transnational criminality. If the ITU gets registry status I think it wil not be long before their Cybercrime legislation proposals will state that the only safe adres space is ITU adres space. This because a country can subject that adres space to their own laws. Now excuse me a minute while I fold my tin foil hat. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: members-discuss-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] Namens Arjan van der Oest Verzonden: maandag 1 maart 2010 15:24 Aan: Andy Davidson; members-discuss(a)ripe.net; nanog(a)nanog.org Onderwerp: RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group Andy scribbled: >>>> Competition is not a bad thing. >>> Competition would be if I could approach the NCC or Pepsi Cola for my >>> integers for use on the internet. It is not competition if the >>> government makes me ask them for some integers. >> Assuming that ITU would become a nationwide alternative RIR, you still >> have the choice to approach NCC, wouldn't you? > >Why would this automatically be the case ? If governments were required >to distribute addresses via the national regulator, then the freedom of >choice would NOT be the case. True. Like I said in my initial reply to members-discuss (and while playing a devil's advocate role), I'm not entirely sure what it is that ITU is striving for : replacing IANA or just becoming a nationwide RIR. In the latter case this would not automatically mean (also assuming that local governments will not further interfere in this process) that ITU would be your one and only one-stop-shop for integers. But anyhow, don't get me wrong. I agree with all that has been said on why and how ITU is trying to get a grip on packet switched communication networks. My only point it that it might not be a bad idea to ponder on the subject of allowing competition between RIR's in the same geographical aerea and hence allow ITU to achieve the status of nationwide RIR. If Telco's want to request their IP's from ITU instead of RIPE, they have my utterly blessings... *zipping my Dr. Pepper* -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind Regards, Worldmax Operations B.V. 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[ncc-announce] ITU and IPv6 Consultation
by RIPE NCC 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

Dear Colleagues, On behalf of APNIC, we would like to draw your attention to an important community consultation taking place on 3 March 2010. ______________________________________________________________________ APNIC Community Consultation Wednesday, 3 March 2010 _____________________________________________________________________ The ITU is considering the possibility of becoming an International Internet Registry, as well as the possible implementation of a Country Internet Registry model to use as an alternative to the Regional Internet Registry system. APNIC's Community Consultation session on Wednesday, 3 March 2010 is your opportunity to discuss the issues and ramifications of the ITU's possible entry into the IP address management arena. Participate onsite ------------------ Where: Conference Hall 2, Kuala Lumpur Convention Center When: 14:00 - 15:30 Participate online ------------------ When: Kuala Lumpur time: 14:00 - 15:30 UTC: 6:00 - 7:30 How: Audio and video streaming Interactive chat Live transcripts For more information about how to attend this session remotely, see: http://meetings.apnic.net/29/remote For more information about this session, refer to: http://meetings.apnic.net/29/program/consultation You are also invited to submit written contributions to this session to: ipv6(a)apnic.net _______________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 Level 1, 33 Park Road, Milton, QLD http://www.apnic.net _______________________________________________________________________

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Re: [members-discuss] RIPE invoice 2010-I
by Martin List-Petersen 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

Hi Sven, in regards to the AS, I can see, where that is a bit of a bummer alright. /Martin Martin List-Petersen wrote: > No. > > The understanding from the GM was quite clear, that all PI ressources > would be billed, be it your own infrastructure or not. There is no > difference to PI, be it your infrastructure or a customers. There's only > a difference between PA and PI. Only PA is in the point based billing > system. > > PI ressources from before weren't billed at all, be they your > infrastructure or not. > > That was pretty clear to anybody, I think. > > Kind regards, > Martin List-Petersen > Airwire > > > Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >> From RIPE's reply: >> >> which indeed, doesn't state that -YOUR OWN- AS won't be billed extra, >> but rather "The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my >> end-user' is >> that you don't need to upload a contract." >> >> So the end result of the 2007-1 policy is that we can now all pay extra >> cash to ripe for something we already had... >> >> Funny that, because I always was under the impression that entries >> marked as "own infrastructure" would remain in the normal points-based >> billing model... seeing the replies so far, i take it most other LIRs >> were too :P >> >> ripes reply: >> >> It was communicated through our website: >> >> http://ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html >> >> And at the moment that you could make a selection for the resources >> through the LIR portal there was a link 'What are the consequences of >> my choice? (click to expand...)' >> >> If you clicked on it you would get the following pop-up: >> >> * My Infrastructure: If you have selected this option you will not >> have to upload a contract and registration papers, as these >> resources are assigned to your LIR's own infrastructure and are >> covered by the Standard Service Agreement you have signed with the >> RIPE NCC. >> >> * The RIPE NCC will audit all resources listed as 'My >> Infrastructure'. These resources are included in the charging scheme >> 2010. My End User: If you have selected this option the independent >> resource will stay registered with your LIR. You will have to upload >> an Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement between >> your LIR and the End User and the End User's company registration >> papers, before 1st March 2010. These resources are included in the >> charging scheme 2010. >> >> * Not my End User: If you select this option the independent resource >> will be removed from your LIR's records. These resources are marked >> and excluded from the charging scheme 2010. Eventually these >> resources will also be removed from your LIR Portal. >> >> The only difference between 'my infrastructure' and 'my end-user' is >> that you don't need to upload a contract. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >> >>>> Have you marked your AS number such way? >>> Yes, I did, RIPE in the meanwhile has sent us another couple of emails >>> persisting in their claim that AS numbers, also the ones used by the >>> LIRs themselves are billed seperately with the new independant >>> resources system... >>> >>> So if everyone would like, check their invoice they got a few days ago, >>> they'd find they now have to pay extra for their -own- as... >>> >>> way to go ripe. >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Eugene Grosbein wrote: >>> >>>> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote: >>>>> we noticed ripe bills as numbers in use by the LIR -themselves- >>>>> as "Independant resources" rather than the points-based billing model.. >>>>> >>>>> surely this was not what the 2007-1 policy was intended to do? >>>>> >>>>> i'd say AS numbers in use by the lir themselves fall under the normal >>>>> points model still, just like PA ipv4 and ipv6 resources... >>>>> >>>>> exactly what is so "independant" about our OWN AS number remains >>>>> unclear >>>>> to me. >>>>> >>>>> scrape a few extra bucks for ripe. >>>>> >>>>> RIPE billing department in the mean while claims that this is not an >>>>> error... >>>> Last year I've got such remark from RIPE: >>>> >>>>> If this AS number is in use by your LIR, you can select the option "My >>>>> Infrastructure" in the interface provided in the LIR Portal: >>>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/index.html >>>>> LIR Portal -> Independent Resources >>>>> >>>>> I hope this clarifies. >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Cima >>>>> RIPE NCC >>>> Have you marked your AS number such way? >>>> >>>> Eugene Grosbein >>>> >>> ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members >>> Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: >>> http://lirportal.ripe.net/ >>> First click on General and then click on Edit. >>> At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. >> ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members >> Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: >> http://lirportal.ripe.net/ >> First click on General and then click on Edit. >> At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. > >

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[gih@apnic.net: Re: [apnic-talk] [AusNOG] [pacnog] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]
by Daniel Karrenberg 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

This is a nicely relevant post from the sister list apnic-talk. Enjoy Daniel

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AW: RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group (fwd)
by Niels Dettenbach 01 Mar '10

01 Mar '10

> ... several less-democratic nations have already proven ... Shurely? This seems new to me, even if some countries try this hard. Even in countries with hard laws of regulation exist's private or "non-regulated" IP communication over satellite or other (typically "wireless") media or - if IP exist in such countries but is controlled - over simple to use anonymizer and/or mixer proxies by encrypted connections. And btw: Even simple things like hard encryption was not allowed in many "developed" countries (US, Europa) over many years (which brought up south africans like Marc S. and others...). Afaik using a sat dish in countries like Iran or Burma (myan mar) was/is not allowed without a "public" governmental license but more or less of the peoples there run "illegal" dishes to receive satellite TV, radio and / or IP communication. I'm from the former GDR (DDR) and im shure that our former government (if it still exist) would tried to "control" or "block" IP communication at all and "effective as possible" but - as i remember - they wasn't able to control any communication (even if electronical communication was accessible by only a few geeks or freaks). Most spreaden "international communication" the peoples got was the western broadcast media (i.e. western german TV which was "not allowed" to see/show). It was not possible to block or even disturb it over longer times and larger areas for them - they tried it often enough. But, a country specific network adressing will give such regimes or governments new internationally "approved" policies to control national communication on a new level - possibly with "full" legislation by the highest international communities like the UN. Cheers, Niels.

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