On the Nature of WG Chairs...
Afternoon, There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it. There is precedent for situations where a WG's Co-Chairs may be a mix of people who are long standing members of the community and "subject matter experts" who are more recently arrived. Of course those who are more recently arrived do need to make a commitment to becoming suitably involved, but we need to be careful about perfect being the enemy of done. This is especially relevant, I think, in Co-operation where the whole point is outreach and bringing more stakeholder groups into the community, or at least into contact. I make no comment about the current candidates for Co-Chair(s) of the WG, it is more of a general observation that should be taken into account for the discussion. Thanks, Brian -- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/
I generally agree with you. But I think we need to discuss "out-reach" more. Representing the WG in other fora has proved problematic in the past for obvious reasons. I also tend to think that in any case "out-reach" has too be something for the whole WG and not an additional task just for the co-chairs. Gordon On 26 May 2016 at 14:19, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:
Afternoon,
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
There is precedent for situations where a WG's Co-Chairs may be a mix of people who are long standing members of the community and "subject matter experts" who are more recently arrived. Of course those who are more recently arrived do need to make a commitment to becoming suitably involved, but we need to be careful about perfect being the enemy of done.
This is especially relevant, I think, in Co-operation where the whole point is outreach and bringing more stakeholder groups into the community, or at least into contact.
I make no comment about the current candidates for Co-Chair(s) of the WG, it is more of a general observation that should be taken into account for the discussion.
Thanks,
Brian
-- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/
Brian, this is an excellent point. The perfect should not be the enemy of the done, and we should understand that there are a mix of qualities that can make for effective co-chairs, especially in the Coop-WG. Discussion of what these qualities are is productive and welcome, of course. Best, Meredith On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com> wrote:
I generally agree with you. But I think we need to discuss "out-reach" more.
Representing the WG in other fora has proved problematic in the past for obvious reasons.
I also tend to think that in any case "out-reach" has too be something for the whole WG and not an additional task just for the co-chairs.
Gordon
On 26 May 2016 at 14:19, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:
Afternoon,
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
There is precedent for situations where a WG's Co-Chairs may be a mix of people who are long standing members of the community and "subject matter experts" who are more recently arrived. Of course those who are more recently arrived do need to make a commitment to becoming suitably involved, but we need to be careful about perfect being the enemy of done.
This is especially relevant, I think, in Co-operation where the whole point is outreach and bringing more stakeholder groups into the community, or at least into contact.
I make no comment about the current candidates for Co-Chair(s) of the WG, it is more of a general observation that should be taken into account for the discussion.
Thanks,
Brian
-- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/
-- Meredith Whittaker Open Research Lead Google NYC
Gordon, I agree, but I don't think my meaning was clear. I was not suggesting that outreach was purely the role of the Co-Chairs and of course we always need to be careful (I know this very well). It was rather that the role of the WG involves outreach and bringing others into the community, so it should consider this in every action, including the selection of Co-Chairs. It is a factor, far from the whole thing. Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ Gordon Lennox wrote on 26/05/2016 14:46:
I generally agree with you. But I think we need to discuss "out-reach" more.
Representing the WG in other fora has proved problematic in the past for obvious reasons.
I also tend to think that in any case "out-reach" has too be something for the whole WG and not an additional task just for the co-chairs.
Gordon
On 26 May 2016 at 14:19, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie <mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie>> wrote:
Afternoon,
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
There is precedent for situations where a WG's Co-Chairs may be a mix of people who are long standing members of the community and "subject matter experts" who are more recently arrived. Of course those who are more recently arrived do need to make a commitment to becoming suitably involved, but we need to be careful about perfect being the enemy of done.
This is especially relevant, I think, in Co-operation where the whole point is outreach and bringing more stakeholder groups into the community, or at least into contact.
I make no comment about the current candidates for Co-Chair(s) of the WG, it is more of a general observation that should be taken into account for the discussion.
Thanks,
Brian
-- Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 <tel:%2B35316609040> web: http://www.heanet.ie/
On 26.05.2016 14.19, Brian Nisbet wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it. You may also want to refer to: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-542 Working Group Chair Job Description and Procedures
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
I have just looked at the document Hans Petter pointed to. It has been a while since I went there! It is a short document. I recommend a read. But it leaves me with a few questions such as to which model we are following. This I suppose could have an effect on co-chairs. Maybe Meredith could clarify? Gordon On 26 May 2016 at 15:05, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
On 26.05.2016 14.19, Brian Nisbet wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
You may also want to refer to: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-542 Working Group Chair Job Description and Procedures
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Hi Gordon, Great question. We are following the "Equal Co-Chair Model." Thanks, Meredith On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com> wrote:
I have just looked at the document Hans Petter pointed to. It has been a while since I went there!
It is a short document. I recommend a read.
But it leaves me with a few questions such as to which model we are following. This I suppose could have an effect on co-chairs. Maybe Meredith could clarify?
Gordon
On 26 May 2016 at 15:05, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
On 26.05.2016 14.19, Brian Nisbet wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
You may also want to refer to: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-542 Working Group Chair Job Description and Procedures
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
-- Meredith Whittaker Open Research Lead Google NYC
Hi, I was wondering this too, Gordon. Thanks Meredith for clarifying. In regards to the question about the number of (co)Chairs in total that a WG can have in the other thread going on; it is 3. Filiz On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Meredith Whittaker < meredithrachel@google.com> wrote:
Hi Gordon,
Great question. We are following the "Equal Co-Chair Model."
Thanks, Meredith
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com
wrote:
I have just looked at the document Hans Petter pointed to. It has been a while since I went there!
It is a short document. I recommend a read.
But it leaves me with a few questions such as to which model we are following. This I suppose could have an effect on co-chairs. Maybe Meredith could clarify?
Gordon
On 26 May 2016 at 15:05, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
On 26.05.2016 14.19, Brian Nisbet wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion on list and at the session today about the "job requirements" of a WG Co-Chair, especially in relation to how well they know the community or how embedded they may be in it.
You may also want to refer to: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-542 Working Group Chair Job Description and Procedures
-- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
-- Meredith Whittaker Open Research Lead Google NYC
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