Which LIR issued AS201133? Is this supposed to be some sort of a secret? If so, could someone please tell me where I need to go, or who I need to talk to in order to learn the secret handshake necessary to find out how this AS came into being and/or who vouches for the legitimacy and authenticity of its current owner? P.S. I've never been very good on geography, so maybe someone can straighten me out on that score also. The last time I looked, Belieze was not actually within the RIPE geographic region. Was there some rather significant continental drift while I was sleeping?
Hi Ronald,
Which LIR issued AS201133?
Is this supposed to be some sort of a secret?
Not really, it is documented in the RIPE database. Here is how you can find it: First search the database for the AS: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=AS201133 There you see the AS with the sponsoring LIR: sponsoring-org: ORG-LE44-RIPE If you look up that organisation you get the LIR: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/lookup.html?source=ripe&key=ORG-LE44-RIPE&type=organisation Which is "Lir.bg EOOD" in Bulgaria.
If so, could someone please tell me where I need to go, or who I need to talk to in order to learn the secret handshake necessary to find out how this AS came into being and/or who vouches for the legitimacy and authenticity of its current owner?
No secret handshake required :)
P.S. I've never been very good on geography, so maybe someone can straighten me out on that score also.
The last time I looked, Belieze was not actually within the RIPE geographic region. Was there some rather significant continental drift while I was sleeping?
Not that I can see, but maybe that company from Belize has some presence in our service region. The AS seems to be maintained by Verdina LTD in Belize. What I can see from their website suggests they offer dedicated server hosting with up to 10Gbit/s dedicated connectivity. Maybe they host part of their servers in Bulgaria? I don't know, but that isn't impossible. Cheers, Sander
Porcine aviation is eminently possible too, I expect. --srs
On 30-Jun-2016, at 4:24 AM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Maybe they host part of their servers in Bulgaria? I don't know, but that isn't impossible.
In message <69356E02-5194-4E73-BCBB-1AAC74737E71@gmail.com>, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Porcine aviation is eminently possible too, I expect.
Well put sir! That having been said, there quite certainly *are* two specific /24 blocks, routed by AS201133, which appear on the following page annotated with the Belizian national flag, thus presumably indicating their geographical assocition with that country. http://bgp.he.net/AS201133#_prefixes The reason HE.net associates these two blocks (86.106.93.0/24 and 93.115.38.0/24) with Belize is quite obviously because the relevant RIPE WHOIS records for the blocks themselves indicate current residence within those blocks of a corporation which itself claims, within relevant RIPE WHOIS records, to be domiciled within Belize, i.e. Fast Serv Inc. aka QHoster.com. Interestingly however, traceroutes to addresses within said 2 blocks appear to dead end rather closer to Romania/Bulgaria than to Belize... ============================================================================ % traceroute 86.106.93.5 ... 11 ae-3.r00.buchro01.ro.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.235) 213.313 ms 212.371 ms 210.541 ms 12 83.217.231.35 (83.217.231.35) 245.623 ms 220.157 ms 225.047 ms 13 178.132.83.102 (178.132.83.102) 216.657 ms 219.868 ms 225.156 ms 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * ============================================================================ % traceroute 93.115.38.9 ... 11 ae-3.r00.buchro01.ro.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.235) 211.870 ms 206.528 ms 214.324 ms 12 83.217.231.35 (83.217.231.35) 220.968 ms 221.491 ms 230.588 ms 13 178.132.83.102 (178.132.83.102) 223.166 ms 221.899 ms 219.994 ms 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * ============================================================================ For the time being, we can skip over this fact, and we can likewise skip over any and all questions that might arise from the clear discrepancy between the apparent actual physical locations of both Verdina Ltd. and Fast Serv Inc. and their equally apparent choice of Belize... a country with a zero corporate tax rate and no requirement to divulge the identities of beneficial owners, even to the government... as their preferred "on paper" corporate homes. What I personally have somewhat more difficulty just skipping over, is the question of why a Belizian corporation found it either necessary or useful or appropriate to obtain its one and only AS number from RIPE... an RIR which quite clearly is not in the business, as far as I know, of granting number resources to Central American users. In short, why didn't this self-identified *Belizian* company, Verdina Ltd., obtain an AS number from LACNIC? And conversely, why did RIPE, and/or any of its LIRs, deem it appropriate to grant one of RIPE's limited supply of AS numbers to a self-identified *Belizian* company, particularly when this was the company's first, last, and *only* AS number? Wouldn't a LACNIC-issued AS number have done just as well? If not, why not? It is that last set of questions that concerns me most on this particular day. Today, unlike tomorrow, I am looking past all of the obvious questions that arise from the discrepancy between Verdina Ltd's and their "customer" Fast Serv's claim of Belizian origin and their quite apparent actual physical residence in Bulgaria. Today I am not even questioning why these two companies might both have gone to some lengths to avoid having the identities of their actual owners revealed, either to the governments involved, or to their respective tax authorities, or even to the RIPE community. And finally, today I am not inquiring into the set of circumstances that caused Fast Serv Inc. aka QHoster.com to become... as it is today... one of the preeminent hosters of malware-distributing web sites in the entire known Universe. No. Today I am only curious about how this Belizian company came to have its own RIPE-issued AS number, you know, as opposed to an LACNIC-issued one. If anyone would like to take a shot at explaing that to this particular euro-ignorant troglodyte, I would be happy to have them do so. Regards, rfg
Den 2016-06-30 kl. 03:03, skrev Ronald F. Guilmette:
In short, why didn't this self-identified *Belizian* company, Verdina Ltd., obtain an AS number from LACNIC?
If anyone would like to take a shot at explaing that to this particular euro-ignorant troglodyte, I would be happy to have them do so.
Have you contacted them to get your questions answered? -- Bengt Gördén Resilans AB
In message <d24738d8-8a70-2dc6-ce04-3c3517e32df8@resilans.se>, =?UTF-8?B?QmVuZ3QgR8O2cmTDqW4=?= <bengan@resilans.se> wrote:
Den 2016-06-30 kl. 03:03, skrev Ronald F. Guilmette:
In short, why didn't this self-identified *Belizian* company, Verdina Ltd., obtain an AS number from LACNIC?
If anyone would like to take a shot at explaing that to this particular euro-ignorant troglodyte, I would be happy to have them do so.
Have you contacted them to get your questions answered?
No, I felt that it was higher priority to first contact them to ask them why they are hosting web sites on their network which are spewing malware (which I have indeed done, and for which I am now awaiting their reply, if any).
It's all same for RIPE 203557 185.29.11.137 which you also mentioned in your listing. On 06/30/16 11:35, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message <d24738d8-8a70-2dc6-ce04-3c3517e32df8@resilans.se>, =?UTF-8?B?QmVuZ3QgR8O2cmTDqW4=?= <bengan@resilans.se> wrote:
In short, why didn't this self-identified *Belizian* company, Verdina Ltd., obtain an AS number from LACNIC?
If anyone would like to take a shot at explaing that to this particular euro-ignorant troglodyte, I would be happy to have them do so. Have you contacted them to get your questions answered? No, I felt that it was higher priority to first contact them to ask
Den 2016-06-30 kl. 03:03, skrev Ronald F. Guilmette: them why they are hosting web sites on their network which are spewing malware (which I have indeed done, and for which I am now awaiting their reply, if any).
-- Kind regards, CTO at *Foton Telecom CJSC* Tel.: +7 (499) 679-99-99 AS42861 on PeeringDB <http://as42861.peeringdb.com/>, Qrator <https://radar.qrator.net/as42861>, BGP.HE.NET <http://bgp.he.net/AS42861> http://ipv6actnow.org/
On Jun 30, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
And conversely, why did RIPE, and/or any of its LIRs, deem it appropriate to grant one of RIPE's limited supply of AS numbers to a self-identified *Belizian* company, particularly when this was the company's first, last, and *only* AS number? Because, as you pointed out, they have a network presence in the RIPE region.
Wouldn't a LACNIC-issued AS number have done just as well? If not, why not? I am not familiar with LACNIC policies.
-- ciao, Marco
You're kind of like blind now. It's because they evade taxes. No other reason. On 07/01/16 15:12, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Jun 30, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
And conversely, why did RIPE, and/or any of its LIRs, deem it appropriate to grant one of RIPE's limited supply of AS numbers to a self-identified *Belizian* company, particularly when this was the company's first, last, and *only* AS number? Because, as you pointed out, they have a network presence in the RIPE region.
Wouldn't a LACNIC-issued AS number have done just as well? If not, why not? I am not familiar with LACNIC policies.
-- Kind regards, CTO at *Foton Telecom CJSC* Tel.: +7 (499) 679-99-99 AS42861 on PeeringDB <http://as42861.peeringdb.com/>, Qrator <https://radar.qrator.net/as42861>, BGP.HE.NET <http://bgp.he.net/AS42861> http://ipv6actnow.org/
In a more accurate away: because they evade taxes and are ignorant enough not to go to LACNIC to get their AS numbers. On 07/01/16 15:47, Sergey wrote:
You're kind of like blind now.
It's because they evade taxes. No other reason.
On 07/01/16 15:12, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Jun 30, "Ronald F. Guilmette"<rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote:
And conversely, why did RIPE, and/or any of its LIRs, deem it appropriate to grant one of RIPE's limited supply of AS numbers to a self-identified *Belizian* company, particularly when this was the company's first, last, and *only* AS number? Because, as you pointed out, they have a network presence in the RIPE region.
Wouldn't a LACNIC-issued AS number have done just as well? If not, why not? I am not familiar with LACNIC policies.
-- Kind regards, CTO at *Foton Telecom CJSC* Tel.: +7 (499) 679-99-99 AS42861 on PeeringDB <http://as42861.peeringdb.com/>, Qrator <https://radar.qrator.net/as42861>, BGP.HE.NET <http://bgp.he.net/AS42861>
-- Kind regards, CTO at *Foton Telecom CJSC* Tel.: +7 (499) 679-99-99 AS42861 on PeeringDB <http://as42861.peeringdb.com/>, Qrator <https://radar.qrator.net/as42861>, BGP.HE.NET <http://bgp.he.net/AS42861> http://ipv6actnow.org/
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