Hi Carsten, I made a mistake in judgement with regards to what the email was about, so I think this topic is sort of redundant at this point. And to not end up spamming people too much, I think we should at least restrict it to aa-wg only if it should be discussed further (which I don't personally think it should). I got an email mentioning how this is maybe not too much in scope for RIPE list. -Cynthia On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 2:46 PM Carsten Schiefner <ripe-wgs.cs@schiefner.de> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
I share Volker's PoV to some larger extend: yes, Tobias' email might be a bit edgy wrt. marketing - but one could also read his first mentioning of him being Co-Chair as just proper introduction. And the second one as a reasoning why his email just went to you instead of the AA WG list as a whole.
Also, it would be interesting - at least for me - which of your postings triggered Tobias' private response. I am unsure which one of your's at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2021-February/date.htm...
to pick...
ATB,
-C.
On 22.02.2021 18:23, Cynthia Revström via ripe-list wrote:
It is possible but I highly doubt it.
We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
That sounds so much like marketing and irrelevant if it wasn't. Also if it wasn't marketing, why would he ask for me to schedule a video call?
Once again I could be wrong, and if I am, I am sorry, but I can't see how this isn't marketing.
-Cynthia
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:18 PM Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
I think you totally misread his mail. It reads to me as a proposal to help you understand the processes used by many providers, not as a sales pitch.
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:12 PM Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi,
(intro) Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I said on a mailing list.
(mainly towards Tobias) Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me services is bad enough. To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as a selling point is much worse.
I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all.
also this: > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but yeah it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because it is bad.
(mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs) A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if they abuse their position to sell their services.
I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but idk why this would be the first time.
I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying I am not interested). But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the db-wg.
Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair, it didn't appear like it was a sales email.
I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be held private.
-Cynthia
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk@abusix.com <mailto:tk@abusix.com>> wrote:
Hello Cynthia,
my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and also Founder and CEO of Abusix.
As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you about how our clients handle those things.
Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar: https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min <https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min>
Thanks and stay safe.
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