Re: [address-policy-wg] [Ticket#2012102901001081] 2012-05 New Draft and Impact Analysis Documents Published (Transparency in Addre [...]
Dear Emilio, Thank you for proposal. I write to oppose the pending proposal to publish a record of all transfers conducted under the policy. For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers. -- Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom 29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а): Dear Colleagues, The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. The main changes in the new version are: -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text; -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: [1]https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 and the draft document at: [2]https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 12 November 2012. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC [1] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 [2] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft
For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. [Milton L Mueller] One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources. What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers. -- Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom 29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а): Dear Colleagues, The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. The main changes in the new version are: -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text; -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 and the draft document at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 12 November 2012. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
Milton, When in result your position can become so close to B.Flame dreams I can't agree with you. Sorry - you reminded me last discussions on Whois and last years talks about lea's expectations to minimize their spendings and to get centralized DBs with personal data on each Internet user or as it named in our country - personal authorization in Internet . Of course - you current talks seems are so far from this- but what's can be behind? I hope that you can understand that there are two side of one medal and the price of free market approach can be so high for us? Dima PS Sorry - it was not directly about disclosure info on transfers - it is a part of some of more general issues where this market is just a small part Sent from my iPhone On 03.11.2012, at 21:06, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. [Milton L Mueller] One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources.
What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place?
For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers.
-- Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom
29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а):
Dear Colleagues,
The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published.
The main changes in the new version are:
-use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text; -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers.
You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05
and the draft document at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft
We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 12 November 2012.
Regards
Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
Dmitry This has been discussed before; there are no new privacy issues raised by this proposal. First, privacy issues pertain to “natural persons” not to the organizational entities (legal persons) that typically hold and trade address blocks. Second, and more fundamentally, recording transactions in the way suggested by 2012-05 does not alter anyone’s privacy status whether they are a natural person or legal person. The possession of an address block both before and after the transaction will be recorded in the Whois. We are simply making the information about the functioning of the transfer market easier to see, compile and analyze. Again, you talk about the “high price” of the proposed policy but provide no specifics. Please tell me who would be harmed by having a transaction directly publicized in the way proposed, how they would be harmed. Until you do so I cannot take your arguments seriously. From: Dmitry Burkov [mailto:dvburk@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:28 PM To: Milton L Mueller Cc: LeaderTelecom Ltd.; address-policy-wg@ripe.net; policy-announce@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] [Ticket#2012102901001081] 2012-05 New Draft and Impact Analysis Documents Published (Transparency in Addre [...] Milton, When in result your position can become so close to B.Flame dreams I can't agree with you. Sorry - you reminded me last discussions on Whois and last years talks about lea's expectations to minimize their spendings and to get centralized DBs with personal data on each Internet user or as it named in our country - personal authorization in Internet . Of course - you current talks seems are so far from this- but what's can be behind? I hope that you can understand that there are two side of one medal and the price of free market approach can be so high for us? Dima PS Sorry - it was not directly about disclosure info on transfers - it is a part of some of more general issues where this market is just a small part Sent from my iPhone On 03.11.2012, at 21:06, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu<mailto:mueller@syr.edu>> wrote: For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. [Milton L Mueller] One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources. What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers. -- Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom 29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а): Dear Colleagues, The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. The main changes in the new version are: -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text; -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 and the draft document at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 12 November 2012. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 06:45:02PM +0000, Milton L Mueller wrote:
raised by this proposal. First, privacy issues pertain to ???natural persons??? not to the organizational entities (legal persons) that typically hold and trade address blocks.
IP resources are held by both legal and natural persons. In the case of natural persons, privacy implication certainly exist (yes, this is the case with already available registry data, too).
Second, and more fundamentally, recording transactions in the way suggested by 2012-05 does not alter anyone???s privacy status whether they are a natural person or legal person. The possession of an address block both before and after the transaction will be recorded in the Whois. We are simply making the information about the functioning of the transfer market easier to see, compile and analyze.
In my opinion, while whois is a useful and necessary resource, access to that data needs to be better controlled. IP resource holders are in the pretty unique position to have nearly all their business relationships published in a database, access to which is basically uncontrolled. Also, referring to recent debate on which RIR services should be free and which should require payment, this sort of data collation service should not be provided free to all comers, paid for by the membership. On the contrary, it should not only require payment (commensurate with the effort of the RIR) but also an agreement specifying exactly the purposes for which the data may be used. Regards, Sascha Luck
Dear Milton,
What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place?
For Russia better don't open financial information about transfers, while criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can e target for raiders. I think that we have to protect companies if we don't need to publish unnecessary information. Milton, why you will publish this information? What you will get from this statistic? -- Alexey Ivanov 03.11.2012 21:32 - Dmitry Burkov написал(а): Milton, When in result your position can become so close to B.Flame dreams I can't agree with you. Sorry - you reminded me last discussions on Whois and last years talks about lea's expectations to minimize their spendings and to get centralized DBs with personal data on each Internet user or as it named in our country - personal authorization in Internet . Of course - you current talks seems are so far from this- but what's can be behind? I hope that you can understand that there are two side of one medal and the price of free market approach can be so high for us? Dima PS Sorry - it was not directly about disclosure info on transfers - it is a part of some of more general issues where this market is just a small part Sent from my iPhone On 03.11.2012, at 21:06, Milton L Mueller <[1]mueller@syr.edu> wrote: For example, on stock market no one publish who sold and who bought shares. I think for safety reason. [Milton L Mueller] One can pick a dozen other resources, ranging from acquisitions of companies to real estate transactions, where buyer and seller are documented. Second, even with stock exchanges, trades made by “insiders” are all documented, by name. Third, “safety reasons” dictate that resources held in rem are best recorded in a public exchange, so that it is more difficult to deceive anyone in the public as to who is the rightful owner of resources. What you need to do to make your argument convincing and meaningful, Alexey, is to explain what harm is done by publishing this information. Tell me what “safety” issues for example are raised by people knowing that a transaction took place? For analyse enought anonymous statistical information about transfers. -- Alexey Ivanov LeaderTelecom 29.10.2012 20:27 - Emilio Madaio написал(а): Dear Colleagues, The draft document for the version 2.0 of the proposal 2012-05 has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this proposal has also been published. The main changes in the new version are: -use of a bullet point layout for the proposal text; -anonymous reports of non-approved transfers. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: [2]https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 and the draft document at: [3]https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to [4]address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 12 November 2012. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC [1] mailto:mueller@syr.edu [2] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05 [3] https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-05/draft [4] mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net
* LeaderTelecom Ltd.
For Russia better don't open financial information about transfers, while criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can e target for raiders. I think that we have to protect companies if we don't need to publish unnecessary information.
Alexey, The proposal does not seek to have any financial information relating to transfers published. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com
Dear Tore, 1 IP address transfers for 10-20USD. Just multiple count of IP x 15 USD. -- Alexey 06.11.2012 13:00 - Tore Anderson написал(а): * LeaderTelecom Ltd.
For Russia better don't open financial information about transfers, while criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can e target for raiders. I think that we have to protect companies if we don't need to publish unnecessary information.
Alexey, The proposal does not seek to have any financial information relating to transfers published. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - [1]http://www.redpill-linpro.com [1] http://www.redpill-linpro.com
* LeaderTelecom Ltd.
1 IP address transfers for 10-20USD. Just multiple count of IP x 15 USD.
The size of the monetary compensation (if any) is likely to be confidential between the parties. There's no IPv4 stock exchange where everyone can can see the buying and selling prices. As there has been only very few transactions in the RIPE region to date, I don't think you can so easily conclude that US$15 is the market price everyone will end up paying. The proposal only seeks to document a transfer has happened, not any prices paid (it is doubtful that the NCC is privy to this information in any case). This is in keeping with the "Registration" goal of the internet registry system (see ripe-553 section 3.0). It is in any case already possible to determine that there has been an IPv4 address transaction between two LIRs by, as Alex Le Heux pointed out earlier, comparing different versions of the files available on ftp.ripe.net. It's more cumbersome than the reading neat list requested by this proposal, but it's certainly something the Russian mafia has enough technical talent to do, if they want to. (It took me something like 10 minutes.) -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com
Dear Tore,
It is in any case already possible to determine that there has been an IPv4 address transaction between two LIRs by, as Alex Le Heux pointed out earlier, comparing different versions of the files available on [1]ftp://ftp.ripe.net. It's more cumbersome than the reading neat list requested by this proposal, but it's certainly something the Russian mafia has enough technical talent to do, if they want to. (It took me something like 10 minutes.)
It is too difficult to analyse, while you need to do it systematically and it can be just changes names of company or transfer. -- Alexey 06.11.2012 13:34 - Tore Anderson написал(а): * LeaderTelecom Ltd.
1 IP address transfers for 10-20USD. Just multiple count of IP x 15 USD.
The size of the monetary compensation (if any) is likely to be confidential between the parties. There's no IPv4 stock exchange where everyone can can see the buying and selling prices. As there has been only very few transactions in the RIPE region to date, I don't think you can so easily conclude that US$15 is the market price everyone will end up paying. The proposal only seeks to document a transfer has happened, not any prices paid (it is doubtful that the NCC is privy to this information in any case). This is in keeping with the "Registration" goal of the internet registry system (see ripe-553 section 3.0). It is in any case already possible to determine that there has been an IPv4 address transaction between two LIRs by, as Alex Le Heux pointed out earlier, comparing different versions of the files available on [2]ftp://ftp.ripe.net. It's more cumbersome than the reading neat list requested by this proposal, but it's certainly something the Russian mafia has enough technical talent to do, if they want to. (It took me something like 10 minutes.) -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - [3]http://www.redpill-linpro.com [1] ftp://ftp.ripe.net [2] ftp://ftp.ripe.net [3] http://www.redpill-linpro.com
On 06/11/2012 09:40, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
It is too difficult to analyse, while you need to do it systematically and it can be just changes names of company or transfer.
No, it takes 10-15 lines of perl. It's ridiculously simple to analyse and as Tore said, it takes no more than a couple of minutes to write. In fact, I've just written some perl to analyse this. Usage is: % v4-transfer.pl < alloclist.txt This will tell you how much address space has been allocated to each LIR. If you do this daily and run the "diff" command, or feed this into a database, you can see exactly who has lost or gained address space. Nick
Dear Nick, How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered? -- Alexey 06.11.2012 14:00 - Nick Hilliard написал(а): On 06/11/2012 09:40, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
It is too difficult to analyse, while you need to do it systematically and it can be just changes names of company or transfer.
No, it takes 10-15 lines of perl. It's ridiculously simple to analyse and as Tore said, it takes no more than a couple of minutes to write. In fact, I've just written some perl to analyse this. Usage is: % v4-transfer.pl < alloclist.txt This will tell you how much address space has been allocated to each LIR. If you do this daily and run the "diff" command, or feed this into a database, you can see exactly who has lost or gained address space. Nick
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM, LeaderTelecom Ltd. <info@leadertelecom.ru>wrote:
Dear Nick,
How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered?
If I understand the service agreement correctly, a name change also requires a new service agreement for the LIR in question. As you yourself can see from alloclist.txt, there is only the name identifying the organisation. As I understand the proposal, there would not be any new information added, so we still will not be able to see whether a LIR merely changed names or there was more going on, except when something is transfered from one existing LIR to another existing LIR. What is being requested is not a matter of getting information that we are not already getting, it is a matter of providing the same information in a more transparent manner. But that is, again, as I understand it. -- Jan
* LeaderTelecom Ltd.
How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered?
Based on your earlier argument, shouldn't the question instead be: How will the Russian mafia know? I'm neither Russian nor a wiseguy, but really - I cannot bring myself to believe that they would have any problem whatsoever figuring out whether an LIR has changed its name or not before proceeding with shaking it down. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Dear Tore, In general it is possible to find any information about any company. The more difficult information about transfers - then more safe for ISP. But anyway - if this information will be open - what you can find? Why you are intrested in this information? If you need any summary statistic - I think RIPE will publish it anyway - we (as community) can tell that we need. In this case you don't need to check each transfer. Tore, what do you think? -- Alexey Ivanov 06.11.2012 16:27 - Tore Anderson написал(а): * LeaderTelecom Ltd.
How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered?
Based on your earlier argument, shouldn't the question instead be: How will the Russian mafia know? I'm neither Russian nor a wiseguy, but really - I cannot bring myself to believe that they would have any problem whatsoever figuring out whether an LIR has changed its name or not before proceeding with shaking it down. -- Tore Anderson Redpill Linpro AS - [1]http://www.redpill-linpro.com/ [1] http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Hi,
In general it is possible to find any information about any company. The more difficult information about transfers - then more safe for ISP.
Hmmmm. This sounds like a case of security-by-obscurity to me... Sander
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 06:27:16PM +0100, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hmmmm. This sounds like a case of security-by-obscurity to me...
It is. Security-by-obscurity is not as useless as it is often portrayed. As Gen. Westmoreland said: "If you can see it, you can hit it. If you can hit it, you can kill it". The reverse is also true: If you don't know it is there, you *can't* hit it... I reckon, if the ripedb was proposed today there is no way it would find consensus - it *is* dangerous these days to have to lay open, to absolutely everyone with a web browser, all your business relationships. Perhaps a re-think of exactly who can see how much of your data is way past due. Another question is, whether this discussion doesn't actually belong in the Services WG... Regards, Sascha Luck
Hi,
Another question is, whether this discussion doesn't actually belong in the Services WG...
That is a valid question. Sander
On 06/11/2012 12:03, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered?
Alexey, the LIR ID stays the same, regardless of the legal name of the company. You've said that your concern is that other people will know which IP addresses have been transferred. The code I included shows which LIR ID loses or gains IP addresses, and according to what you said earlier:
criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can be target for raiders.
... the code I posted will identify exactly which LIR have recently lost or gained IP addresses, because you can look up the LIR details here: https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/ So you can use my code to see exactly which LIR has lost IP addresses or gained them. It's really easy to track this. Here's a database schema for holding the information: CREATE TABLE `ipv4quantities` ( `id` int unsigned NOT NULL, `regid` varchar(255) NOT NULL, `numberofaddresses` int unsigned NOT NULL default 0, `thedate` date NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`id`) ); Will I write another couple of lines of code and hook up v4-transfer.pl into this database schema? And another 10 lines of code to provide a web front end? If you want, I'll write another couple of lines on top of that, with another two database tables, and that can be used to provide a complete historical list of exactly what addresses are held by any LIR, along with sortable columns so you can see what IP address space was transferred, and when. But it turns out that most of this is unnecessary, because it's already being done here: https://stat.ripe.net/ In other words the information proposed in this policy is already available in multiple formats from multiple areas of the RIPE NCC web site / database / ftp site, and extracting this information is simple enough for a school child to do. Let me repeat: ######################################################################## ## ## ## Getting this information is so simple that even a child can do it. ## ## ## ######################################################################## Please drop your objection. It's completely ridiculous. Nick
Nick, Your information based on assumption that you work with clean information. Could you tell LIR for this Allocated PA network? [1]https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=192.115.112.0&search%3AdoSearch=Search#resultsAnchor [2]https://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/inetnum/192.33.111.0-192.33.111.2... I see more than 500 networks with type "Allocated PA" doesn't have LIR. So you will not see transfers for this networks if this information will be not published. Of course it is possible to make "diff" for changes, but it will be not 100% correct information about transfers. -- Alexey Ivanov 06.11.2012 16:42 - Nick Hilliard написал(а): On 06/11/2012 12:03, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
How are you going to know did company changed name or IPs were transfered?
Alexey, the LIR ID stays the same, regardless of the legal name of the company. You've said that your concern is that other people will know which IP addresses have been transferred. The code I included shows which LIR ID loses or gains IP addresses, and according to what you said earlier:
criminal element will know who just received big amount of money and can be target for raiders.
... the code I posted will identify exactly which LIR have recently lost or gained IP addresses, because you can look up the LIR details here: [3]https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/ So you can use my code to see exactly which LIR has lost IP addresses or gained them. It's really easy to track this. Here's a database schema for holding the information: CREATE TABLE `ipv4quantities` ( `id` int unsigned NOT NULL, `regid` varchar(255) NOT NULL, `numberofaddresses` int unsigned NOT NULL default 0, `thedate` date NOT NULL, PRIMARY KEY (`id`) ); Will I write another couple of lines of code and hook up v4-transfer.pl into this database schema? And another 10 lines of code to provide a web front end? If you want, I'll write another couple of lines on top of that, with another two database tables, and that can be used to provide a complete historical list of exactly what addresses are held by any LIR, along with sortable columns so you can see what IP address space was transferred, and when. But it turns out that most of this is unnecessary, because it's already being done here: [4]https://stat.ripe.net/ In other words the information proposed in this policy is already available in multiple formats from multiple areas of the RIPE NCC web site / database / ftp site, and extracting this information is simple enough for a school child to do. Let me repeat: ######################################################################## ## ## ## Getting this information is so simple that even a child can do it. ## ## ## ######################################################################## Please drop your objection. It's completely ridiculous. Nick [1] https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=192.115.112.0&sear... [2] https://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/inetnum/192.33.111.0-192.33.111.2... [3] https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/ [4] https://stat.ripe.net/
On 07/11/2012 16:58, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
Could you tell LIR for this Allocated PA network?
https://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/inetnum/192.33.111.0-192.33.111.2...
Neither of those networks are allocated PA. They're ERX space. Nick
Nick, How did you find it? If networks has status "ALLOCATED PA", but doesn't have "org" - then it is ERX? Or you see any other attribute? Example: inetnum: 192.33.111.0 - 192.33.111.255 netname: THENET descr: TheNet - Internet Services AG descr: Bern, Switzerland country: CH admin-c: JR11-RIPE tech-c: YS135-RIPE status: ALLOCATED PA notify: helpdesk@thenet.ch mnt-by: THENET-MN changed: support@thenet.ch 19990128 source: RIPE -- Alexey Ivanov 07.11.2012 21:07 - Nick Hilliard написал(а): On 07/11/2012 16:58, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
Could you tell LIR for this Allocated PA network?
[1]https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=192.115.112.0&search%[..]
[2]https://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/inetnum/192.33.111.0-192.33.111.[..]
Neither of those networks are allocated PA. They're ERX space. Nick [1] https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?searchtext=192.115.112.0&sear... [2] https://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/inetnum/192.33.111.0-192.33.111.2...
On 07/11/2012 17:13, LeaderTelecom Ltd. wrote:
How did you find it? If networks has status "ALLOCATED PA", but doesn't have "org" - then it is ERX? Or you see any other attribute?
It isn't in alloclist.txt: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/membership/alloclist.txt Also, all the 192.0.0.0/8 is InterNIC assigned space. Nick
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