Hello, One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block. For example: LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet. This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet. According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability. I'm curious to what you think of this idea. Best regards, Abdelouahed Ping IP network
Hello The suggestion help IP broker to made bigger IP block and earn more money. bigger IP block is more expensive than smaller one. :) Also why RIPE NCC should return "Spam dirty" IP range and assign new one to a user? Thanks On 9/22/2016 4:07 PM, Ping IP wrote:
Hello,
One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block.
For example: LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet.
This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet.
According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability.
I'm curious to what you think of this idea.
Best regards,
Abdelouahed Ping IP network
Hi Clarification question. Are you requesting that non-continuous IPv4 blocks be exchanged for the equivalent size in a single continuous IPv4 block that does not match the previously issued IPv4 addresses, or do you want to take continuous IPv4 blocks and combine them? On 2016 Sep 22 (Thu) at 14:37:25 +0200 (+0200), Ping IP wrote: :Hello, : :One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest :the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP :ranges for a greater block. : :For example: :LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange :these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet. : :This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets :to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the :Internet. : :According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according :the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this :ability. : :I'm curious to what you think of this idea. : :Best regards, : :Abdelouahed :Ping IP network -- People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first.
Hello Peter, *"non-continuous IPv4 blocks be exchanged for the equivalent size in a single continuous IPv4 block"* Correct. Best regards, Abdelouahed Ping IP network 2016-09-22 14:46 GMT+02:00 Peter Hessler <phessler@theapt.org>:
Hi
Clarification question.
Are you requesting that non-continuous IPv4 blocks be exchanged for the equivalent size in a single continuous IPv4 block that does not match the previously issued IPv4 addresses, or do you want to take continuous IPv4 blocks and combine them?
On 2016 Sep 22 (Thu) at 14:37:25 +0200 (+0200), Ping IP wrote: :Hello, : :One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest :the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP :ranges for a greater block. : :For example: :LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange :these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet. : :This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets :to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the :Internet. : :According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according :the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this :ability. : :I'm curious to what you think of this idea. : :Best regards, : :Abdelouahed :Ping IP network
-- People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that Benjamin Franklin said it first.
Hi,
"non-continuous IPv4 blocks be exchanged for the equivalent size in a single continuous IPv4 block"
I think the problem with this is that it let's spammers exchange dirty blocks for clean blocks. Cheers, Sander
Hello,
One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block.
For example: LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet.
This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet.
According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability.
I'm curious to what you think of this idea. Good idea, but judging from the increased trend to de-aggregation of existing subnets in order to allow multi-homing of PA-subnets, I doubt
Guten Tag, that there'll be many people interested, given the (usually) necessary work that has to be put into renumbering ... while going against the trend with this suggestion might be nice for the overall community by saving some memory on all of our routers, the advantage for the ISP or person returning multiple subnets for a larger one is (usually) rather small ... if, of course, RIPE would incentivize by - e.g. - returning a /21 for 6 /24's, I guess some people might be interested ;) But then people not that "lucky" to have multiple small PAs would complain, as would (rightfully so) the ones interested in conserving IP addresses ;) Also, isn't there some provision already for LIRs to be able to return subnets for a another? Regards, Garry
Hi, I like the idealism of this idea, but it is too little, too late and much too many work to save a few bytes on the ip4 routing table. This race is lost, adding more memory to the board or block and remove certain routes will be the solution. My focus shifted already to the future (?) disaggregation of ip6, where we had hit the 32k lately. Jörg On 22 Sep 2016, at 14:37, Ping IP wrote:
Hello,
One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block.
For example: LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet.
This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet.
According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability.
I'm curious to what you think of this idea.
Best regards,
Abdelouahed Ping IP network
Soon or late it will end up here to “IPv4 is DEAD, go and develop IPv6”, that’s a regular answer here when you bring up something related to IPv4 J Your idea looks like a disk defragmentation procedure, but first you need to check how many percent it is defragmented and how much free space you will need to do the procedure. Regards, Arash From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Ping IP Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2016 10:37 PM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] Idea for aggregating IP addresses Hello, One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block. For example: LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet. This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet. According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability. I'm curious to what you think of this idea. Best regards, Abdelouahed Ping IP network
Hi There: Although it does sounds good idea consider how big the routing table has become, but in practice, I guess would be very difficult, as there is no way to prevent people spam them then return to RIPE NCC for a new one, plus, with smaller allocation pool every day, the ability RIPE NCC would be able to practice such policy, would be in a rather limited time, so it will be a policy only works for---let's say 6 months, longest 2 years. So I agree with Arash, leave the IPv4 alone, seriously, get IPv6 done so you don't have to look at the size of IPv4 routing table. On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> wrote:
Soon or late it will end up here to “IPv4 is DEAD, go and develop IPv6”, that’s a regular answer here when you bring up something related to IPv4 J
Your idea looks like a disk defragmentation procedure, but first you need to check how many percent it is defragmented and how much free space you will need to do the procedure.
Regards,
Arash
*From:* address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Ping IP *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2016 10:37 PM *To:* address-policy-wg@ripe.net *Subject:* [address-policy-wg] Idea for aggregating IP addresses
Hello,
One of the goals of RIPE is to aggregate IP addresses. I'd like to suggest the ability for a LIR and End User to exchange number of blocks of IP ranges for a greater block.
For example:
LIR/End User has 4 different /22 subnets and LIR/End User can exchange these subnets for 1 x /20 subnet.
This gives a LIR or End User the possibility to announce larger IP subnets to the Internet. Helping the goal of aggregating the IP addresses on the Internet.
According one of the RIPE trainer, this is currently not possible according the RIPE policy. Because there's no policy to give a LIR/End User this ability.
I'm curious to what you think of this idea.
Best regards,
Abdelouahed
Ping IP network
-- -- Kind regards. Lu
participants (8)
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Arash Naderpour -
Garry Glendown -
Jörg Kost -
Lu Heng -
Mozafary Mohammad -
Peter Hessler -
Ping IP -
Sander Steffann