RIPE 33: DRAFT TLD-WG Minutes Place: Palais Auersperg, Vienna, Austria Date: 5 May 1999 Chair: Niall O'Reilly Scribe: Maldwyn Morris Participants: 33 ccTLD Registries represented: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Proposed Agenda 1. Administrivia 2. Review Work plan 3. HarmoNIC Presentation by Philippe Renaut 4. CENTR Presentation by Fay Howard 5. ICANN/DNSO Presentation by Fay Howard 6. AOB 7. Conclusions 1. Administrivia 1.1 Recognition of Scribe Maldwyn Morris kindly volunteered to take notes of the meeting. 1.2 Approval of minutes from RIPE 32 No minutes from RIPE 32 ACTION 33.1 on Chair to ensure they are produced. 1.3 Agreement of Agenda The proposed agenda was agreed. 1.4 Review of Current Actions TLD-32.1 [Chair] Update Workplan Chair had recently posted workplan discussion document (http://www.ripe.net/???) to TLD-WG list. Most of those present had not yet seen this. Kept open. TLD-32.2 [Chair] Determine DNS-SEC plans and need for support from DNS-WG No registries have advised Chair of plans to implement DNS-SEC. A couple have indicated that guidance from DNS-WG would be welcome. One has indicated that preparatory study is in progress. Done TLD-32.3 [Chair] Advise DB-WG of number of registries planning to use RIPE whois code Nine registries are either using or considering using the code. Chair proposed new ACTION 33.2 on Chair to find out more about who is using RIPE database at RIPE NCC for domain objects. Done TLD-32.4 [Philippe Renaut] Present NIC-FR directory work at Vienna (Agenda item 3) Done TLD-32.5 [Mike Norris] Co-ordinate review of RIPE-152 Chair proposed to close as OBE. No disagreement from floor. Closed as OBE 2. Review Workplan Chair proposed to drop many sections and re-align others, as suggested in the discussion document, which he presented, as most present had not seen it. The following additional suggestions were made. o Split IANA and Stability of Root into two sections: IANA/ICANN and Root Stability. ICANN is now defined and supporting organizations are emerging. The inaugural meeting in Berlin will define them further. CENTR has helped define both the DNSO and the ccTLD area within DNSO. Fay said that Marcel Schneider had initiated an ICANN/TLD relations activity but this could be done by CENTR, not just Marcel. Root stability needs firmer plans. There should be no changes in Delegation without due process, and the DNSO was the forum for discussing this. o TLD coordination Project Activity. CENTR doesn't cover all TLD activities. Need task force to do TLD activities. The Chair proposed that task forces should be set up for specific TLD activities. Discussion on next steps was to be dealt with in Section 7 of this meeting. 3. HARMONIC: Directory Service of NIC.FR Presentation by Philippe Renaut Domain directory tool for all ccTLDs, initially working for .fr Enables users to find extra non-technical information not stored in the RIPE DB, such as Activities. Can search for Organizations by Postal Address, Activity, Sector. Can search for Domains by parts of name. Can search for web sites in .fr domain. It means users can search the net not by domain name, so this takes the pressure off domain names. Uses standardized address in address part of RIPE DB. Those interested are welcome to look: http://harmonic.nic.fr An no-image version will be developed. Other NICs are interested and it could become a global tool. An LDAP upper layer will be developed to standradise the information Philippe asked the permission of other ccTLDs to use their information in the system and suggested that they discuss it with him after the meeting. Philippe answered a number of questions from those present. Q: How is the information collected Philippe: Differs per country, but France's NIC collects the info for .fr Q: Who supplies the information ? Is it Official ? Philippe: Yes it is official. Some is from the RIPE Database, some is requested by the NIC when the domain is registered. Q: Who updates the info - Nic or the client ? Philippe: The client, but ISPs say they don't necessarily want to do it, so will allow both to do it. If clients don't want to appear, they don't have to. Q: Are updates handled automatically. Are they authenticated ? Philippe: Yes, Yes - with a password. Q: When is the Launch date ? Philippe: Already launched for .fr Q: What are the hit rates ? Philippe: 150 connections per day. 4. CENTR Update Presentation by Fay Howard. See http://www.centr.org. RIPE-CENTR Project is winding down. CENTR has elected a committee, has 23 intended member registries, is incorporated in UK following poll, locating in Oxford 7/6/99, looking for technical and admin officers. Fay Howard has been appointed General Manager. A technical workshop is planned in conjunction with RIPE-34. Gerhard Winkler mentioned possible technical work items for CENTR: o DNS secondary, structure, QOS, requirements o Whois DB - need or split from RIPE DB for domains ? o DNS SEC - need ?, how ? o Shared Registry system- how ?, need ? o How to run registry ? o Liaisons - ask other WGs o Share resources o Common Database structures Fay suggested that maybe RIPE NCC does not want to store domain names after CENTR is set up in Oxford. Rob Blokzijl, RIPE Chairman, said that he had indicated that we need to think about this, but that that didn't mean that RIPE is unwilling to continue to support it. [ Coffee Break ] 5. ICANN/DNSO Update Presentation by Fay Howard. See http://www.icann.org. Fay mentioned CENTR participation in consensus-building, and the different DNSO-definition proposals known as the Paris, BMW, Singapore documents. She described the current DNSO Formation ideas, with Constituencies and General Assembly. and that Inaugural Meetings had been scheduled in Berlin later this month. Fay asked who was planning to go to Berlin and three people indicated that they were intending to go. 6. AOB o Relations with other WGs DB-WG had raised concern over domain objects in RIPE database. This was discussed earlier in the meeting when reviewing the action items. It was reported that at the moment only Switzerland and Liechtenstein were known to use to use Referral. o Status of this WG Rob Blokzijl said that the meeting should consider putting in the agenda for this WG at RIPE 34, when CENTR is settled, the question of how to proceed with this WG. Chair said this largely overlaps with Section 7 of this meeting's agenda, but that the WG should discuss this on the tld-wg at ripe.net mailing list. 7. Conclusions o Directions for the group Chair proposed ACTION on chair to seek discussion of the directions for the group on the lir/wg mailing list. Floor concurred. o Revisiting the Work plan Chair proposed ACTION on ALL to discuss this on the tld-wg at ripe.net mailing list. Floor concurred. The chair thanked all the participants, and meeting was closed. The following actions were outstanding for the working group at the end of the meeting. TLD-33.1 [Chair] Provide minutes for RIPE-32 TLD-WG. TLD-33.2 [Chair] Initiate discussion of issues arising around domain objects in RIPE database, including: the large number of domain objects in the RIPE DB, authority for these objects, quality of data in these objects, possibility of distributing data among several databases, single point of initial reference, control of access to the data, data privacy, and possible differences in policy among registries. These issues need to be discussed, next requirements determined, and corresponding resources identified. TLD-33.3 [Chair] Request information from registries on whether they are prepared to make their data available for pilot project using HARMONIC interface. TLD-33.4 [Chair] Place Future Direction of TLD-WG on Agenda for RIPE-34 and stimulate preparatory discussion on mailing list. TLD-33.5 [All] Contribute to workplan discussion on mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Logged at Wed Sep 15 22:36:08 CEST 1999 ---------