On Monday, May 18, 1998 1:33 PM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: @On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @> @It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, @ @> and IETF members to attack me and my family personally. I must @> say this is encouraging. Maybe I should ask Don Heath if I should @> still be concerned about his friends killing my parents with fire axes. @ @I take that back. I should have said that it is my studied opinion that @Jim Fleming is not _entirely_ demented, but is a paid agent provocateur @of the U.S. telco industry... @ @Obviously the man acts demented some of the time but I urge people to @be aware that he can be quite lucid when he wants to be and he should not @be dismissed as a simple lunatic. Don't let him manipulate you into @working on his agenda. If you are in government, take the time to seek out @opposing opinions so that you have something to weigh Fleming's statements @against. And if you are in the Internet industry, take the time to do some @work in the political arena because if you don't the telco monopolies will @rig the game in their favor as they have in the past. @ @-- @Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting @Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael at memra.com @http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website* @ @ Michael, Can review the posting below with everyone ? What does this mean ?..."If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc." What does this mean ?..."Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego." What does this mean ?..."If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over." What does this mean ?..."the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway" What does this mean ?..."use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking" ========================================================== From: michael at memra.com (Michael Dillon) Subject: Re: Nagualism vs. Otherisms Date: 17 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <5476pq$gu3 at sidhe.memra.com> references: <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk> organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting - http://www.memra.com newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda In article <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk>, <Gordon.Morrison at mail.sema.co.uk> wrote:

Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a list of quotes by dJ, dG, CC et al. which might help to convice someone with a strong Tonal that Nagualism is NOT devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc.?

If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc.

You know the kind of stuff I mean - all the fundamental premises/beliefs of the Warrior's way: quotes about paths with heart, impeccability, having to believe, sorcery-is-a-dead-end-street etc.

You should re-read all the books and collect this set of quotes yourself. Then publish it on the web. It won't convert fundamentalist Christians but it may be very useful as an introduction for those who find the books a bit intimidating.

but they've read snippets of stuff out of context and jumped to their own conclusions. I just want a neat package containing the basics presented *in context*.)

Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego and nagualism is an attempt to move beyond the ego to see the world as it truly is, an emanation of the one God. Remind them that even Lucifer is nothing more than a fallen angel who has lost his way from the light. If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over. At this point you will likely be amazed at how well you explain this stuff and will probably learn a thing or two. This, of course, assumes that you have enough energy to make your will the Eagle's will, or, to put it another way, assumes you have enough grace to let God's will be done through you. Funny how the choice of words can make two similar things seem miles apart, isn't it? BTW, the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway. So don't be disppointed if this person doesn't hear a thing you say. If you have a hard time letting go of such a failure then use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking. Let this person convert you to their religion, join their church, go to the meetings, go through the motions. You will no doubt encounter one or more small-fry petty tyrants in the process. Stalk them but always remember that when Don Juan stalked the foreman he never let the lady of the house suspect that he was anything other than what he pretended to be. -- Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael at memra.com ========================================================= - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 05:45:20 MET DST 1998 ---------