
In a message dated 98-02-12 12:48:15 EST, bob at wtv.net writes: << And they're not taking any more applications >> Anyone could have become a register in the time frame first introduced. The fact that they are not at this time taking registrations has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. Talk is underway right now to reopen the application process and allow more registrars to enter. You might not want to believe it but a significant number of persons have expressed interest in joining the process. I fail to understand the big deal about a $300,000 line of credit...Most 3 bedroom homes in the Northeast United States are worth more than that. What is wrong with wanting businesses associated with you to have some legitimacy? You go on and on about the closed society...it doesn't float. The anarchy you propose would do more damage in a millisecond of operation than the all the other propositions in the world. Face it, you are two hundred and twenty-two years to late to make the changes you would propose. The Europian community WAS not asked for input by Magaziner prior to the release of the greenpaper...the proof of that is now appearing in their formal statements of opposition to the GP. Magaziner treated this as an American decision then and continues to do so. This is a much bigger issue than all the CORE Associations in the world. What is happening right in front of your eyes is the most disturbing. In several meetings and in several statements to the press Magaziner has basically said he really doesn't care what the world community has to say, this is a United States Commerce issue and will be treated as such...be careful...The Big Brother you are speaking of is the sheep in wolves clothing. There are many "good" people at NSI and SAIC that would love for you to believe this is being done in the interest of the Internet. I am one of Magaziner's true experiments...forced in to managed health care. So far nothing the man has set out to accomplish has done anything but cause grief for the very people he claims to want to help. Look at his track record..No good can come of the USGP as no one in the commerce department even has a grasp of the realities. Read the technical specs..it is there in black and white..you would think they would have to understand the system wouldn't you? I am not saying the CORE way is the only way....what I am saying is that if in an attempt to derail whom you perceive as the enemy you side with the USG you will have handed the rope to the executioner. I am not saying join the Gtld- Mou...I am not even saying to stop all your negative attacks on it...what I am saying is don't look to the United States Government to be your savior..because if you do you may end up with a sack full of promises and bits of shells...our history speaks for itself. Audrey -------- Logged at Thu Feb 12 20:29:57 MET 1998 ---------

I was quoted and wrote:
... they're not taking any more applications
CirqueFan at aol.com replied:
Anyone could have become a register in the time frame first introduced. The fact that they are not at this time taking registrations has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. Talk is underway right now to reopen the application process and allow more registrars to enter. You might not want to believe it but a significant number of persons have expressed interest in joining the process.
I fail to understand the big deal about a $300,000 line of credit...Most 3 bedroom homes in the Northeast United States are worth more than that. What is wrong with wanting businesses associated with you to have some legitimacy?
You go on and on about the closed society...it doesn't float. The anarchy you propose would do more damage in a millisecond of operation than the all the other propositions in the world. Face it, you are two hundred and twenty-two years to late to make the changes you would propose.
The Europian community WAS not asked for input by Magaziner prior to the release of the greenpaper...the proof of that is now appearing in their formal statements of opposition to the GP. Magaziner treated this as an American decision then and continues to do so.
This is a much bigger issue than all the CORE Associations in the world. What is happening right in front of your eyes is the most disturbing. In several meetings and in several statements to the press Magaziner has basically said he really doesn't care what the world community has to say, this is a United States Commerce issue and will be treated as such...be careful...The Big Brother you are speaking of is the sheep in wolves clothing. There are many "good" people at NSI and SAIC that would love for you to believe this is being done in the interest of the Internet. I am one of Magaziner's true experiments...forced in to managed health care. So far nothing the man has set out to accomplish has done anything but cause grief for the very people he claims to want to help. Look at his track record..No good can come of the USGP as no one in the commerce department even has a grasp of the realities. Read the technical specs..it is there in black and white..you would think they would have to understand the system wouldn't you?
I am not saying the CORE way is the only way....what I am saying is that if in an attempt to derail whom you perceive as the enemy you side with the USG you will have handed the rope to the executioner. I am not saying join the Gtld- Mou...I am not even saying to stop all your negative attacks on it...what I am saying is don't look to the United States Government to be your savior..because if you do you may end up with a sack full of promises and bits of shells...our history speaks for itself.
The USG has been burned repeatedly and in full, humiliating public on Internet related issues again and again. The moment we collectively start acting as one is the moment they will *run* (not walk) from this debate. The last thing elected officials want is to tangle with this medium, believe me. The White House was forced into action by the continuing and maddening obstructionism of Postel and his cadre of supporters. The endless loop of delay and avoidance tactics has allienated myself and other supporters of Alternate Internet Governance infrastructures. And now it appears to have even hit the White House, major Internet Corporations and, quite possibley, the average and long suffering netizen. That's a whole whack full of people I'd be pretty careful about annoying. As for your assertions that CORE is about to open up the application process no-one is convinced of this. Furthermore, the current technical and fiscal requirements CORE places as the minimum are wildly exagerated. The USG Green Paper makes the same error. By setting standards so high just about every individual or not for profit group and most of the so called Third or Under-Developed World is shut *out* of the picture forever. US$10,000 and a US$300,000 line of credit are unattainable. Not when one will make pennies per domain in profits or funds raised. A Pentium or Power PC, using standard software and average connectivity run by a handful of dedicated people for next to no money is all that is required for a Domain Name Registry/Registrar. A full blown NIC may need some more but it's all off-the-shelf technically speaking. No half million dollars, armed guards or silly secret handshakes. And by my estimation we can handle 10,000 new TLDs today and millions more if we put our minds to it. There in a TeleVirtual nutshell (pun and self deprecating humour intended) you have it. I resist... TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat http://www.wtv.net http://www.fcn.net -------- Logged at Thu Feb 12 20:59:22 MET 1998 ---------
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