On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:46 +0000 you said:
RIPE-27-TLD-5: - RIPE to nominate European candidate to iPOC seat. [?]
As a former IAHC and iPOC member let me ask a few questions: a) How does one define what Europe is? b) If you use the conventional definition of Europe, then why would not Africa, North America, Asia and the Middle East each request a seat? c) How do you then not make the process political - rather than functional? d) Europe has 2 people currently sitting on iPOC: Geert Glas, appointed by INTA (a lawyer) and Patrik Falstrom appointed by the IAB (a techie from Tele2). How do these people *not* serve a *European* perspective? (Don't forget the WIPO and ITU reps who live and work in Geneva who also sit on the iPOC - and you get to a total of 4 resident Europeans currently on the iPOC - a number way out of proportion to Europe's size) Regards, Hank -------- Logged at Sat Sep 20 18:33:36 MET DST 1997 ---------
On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:46 +0000 you said:
RIPE-27-TLD-5: - RIPE to nominate European candidate to iPOC seat. [?]
As a former IAHC and iPOC member let me ask a few questions:
a) How does one define what Europe is? b) If you use the conventional definition of Europe, then why would not Africa, North America, Asia and the Middle East each request a seat? c) How do you then not make the process political - rather than functional? d) Europe has 2 people currently sitting on iPOC: Geert Glas, appointed by INTA (a lawyer) and Patrik Falstrom appointed by the IAB (a techie from Tele2). How do these people *not* serve a *European* perspective? (Don't forget the WIPO and ITU reps who live and work in Geneva who also sit on the iPOC - and you get to a total of 4 resident Europeans currently on the iPOC - a number way out of proportion to Europe's size)
If you measure things in Internet terms, by looking at host counts, for example, Europe represents something like 25% of the Internet.
From this point of view, two seats are insufficient.
Of course, if you look at things from a functional point of view, the Internet itself is seriously under-represented on the iPOC. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 -------- Logged at Sat Sep 20 23:39:57 MET DST 1997 ---------
If you measure things in Internet terms, by looking at host counts, for example, Europe represents something like 25% of the Internet. From this point of view, two seats are insufficient.
Of course, if you look at things from a functional point of view, the Internet itself is seriously under-represented on the iPOC.
Also, if you look at the participating members of the PAB it starts to become a joke. The totally unrepresentative PAB which has no power but recommends to the [i]POC which is unrepresentative and has no power but recommends to the some day CORE which is supposed to have power but doesn't because according to the gTLD-MoU the ISOC and IANA have veto power over everything. Neat, huh? I don't really want to stir up yet another debate on this list since there are plenty to bore everyone on the other related lists, but personally I'd rather see RIPE make an effort to work on a logical, workable, reasonable solution than to support the IAHC mess. My 0.02 Euros... Ray http://www.STOP-gTLD-MoU.org/ -------- Logged at Sun Sep 21 00:09:30 MET DST 1997 ---------
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