Dave, Thanks for the summary. To clarify, my main agenda is not IPv6 or IPv8. My main agenda is to help create more resources and to allow those resources to find their way into people's hands around the world with as low a distribution cost as possible to help allow more people to use the Internet without funding a bunch of lounge lizards to fly around the world every time they feel like it funded by taxes they collect from the disadvantaged people that they have under their thumbs....or IN-ADDR.ARPA. I was hopeful that the IETF (without the ISOC) would continue to be a good group to help encourage the low-cost distribution of resources. It now appears that the new IANA Inc. may be a better facilitator for that mission because the IETF has been captured by the ISOC "suits". Even though the IFWP people mean well, they have now attracted the IAHC CORE crowd that is mainly looking to cash in on some quick buck schemes. I am hopeful that Jon Postel saw enough of the IAHC result to know better than to go near the IFWP this time around. He has also been able to witness the "members only" approach used in ARIN and which the IFWP people seem to think provides a democracy. I am confident that Jon Postel and the various old-school IETF people will be able to push forward to move the IANA Inc. to a point where it is legally disjoint from the ISOC and the IETF. When that occurs, we might have a chance to all work to renew the faith and to bring more resources to people around the world at a low cost. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Paulsen <dave at reststop.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv at lists.psi.com> Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 11:38 PM Subject: Re: CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below

On 30 Aug 98,, Eric Weisberg wrote:

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2. Is Jim Flemming correct that this is not worth getting excited about?

Well, in some ways. His agenda, of course, is IPvX. Which, I also believe, is more important in the grand scheme of things than the hoopla over TLDs. Some of his concerns, however, are equally valid in both debates.

Other TLDs are being successfully used--on a technical level. And, on a technical level, the IP address space problem could be migrated more smoothly into TNG if some of the "big boys" (and I use this term loosely here (no, it's _mine_, you can't _make_ me give it back)) would aggregate/return more of the current address space.

Part of the problem in both debates is the concern over whose "deserving" pockets the profits are going into, and especially on the in-addr.arpa side, that profiteering not take place on the _necessary_ resource. I mean, a TLD is just a string of characters, and with GUIs, no longer of much real use outside of marketing. For Internet based communications to occur at all, though, you _need_ an affordable, routable, IP address.

I think for efficient, ubiquitous use of Internet technologies, both TLDs and IPvX need to be based on open protocol standards, and centrally managed (even with a regional second tier for day to day operations) to prevent collisions and non-reachable sites. As far as I'm aware, the only way to have this, at least on this particular planet, is either with a "benign" government agency, or an international non-profit organization, ideally run by geeks.

And I make that last little comment because _what_ people do on the Internet is a social phenomena and the capitalists, politicians, and marketers can do what they will to try to sleaze their way into the mindset of the user; that people _can_ do what they will on the Internet is solidly in the domain of the engineer and meddling merely decreases efficiency.

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