On Monday, May 18, 1998 3:58 AM, Hank Nussbacher[SMTP:hank at ibm.net.il] wrote: @At 02:41 PM 5/15/98 +0200, Annie Renard wrote: @> @> In your previous mail you wrote: @> @> Until we get the entire list filled in, you may have @> to expand the diameter of your neighbor net to @> include more G:S slots. @> @> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt @> @> G:S TLD RP Web Site @> -------------------------------------------------- @> 3:207 FR (FRANCE) <------ @> 3:208 ATHENS @> 3:209 FLAKE @> 3:210 DK (DENMARK) <------- @> 3:211 MLT (MALTA) <----- @> 3:212 VIDEO @> 3:213 WINE <---------- jc.praud at ludexpress.com ?? web site ?? @> 3:214 RAILWAY @> 3:215 BALLOON @> 3:216 SVK (SLOVAKIA-(Slovak-Republic)) <----- @> 3:217 DNK (DENMARK) <----- @> 3:218 GRC (GREECE) <----- @> -------------------------------------------------- @> @> The following is a good source of leads for the above @> TLDs with the arrows. @> @> http://www.ripe.net/centr/tld.html @> @> For slots where we can not locate people, for example, @> 3:215 BALLOON, the people around that slot become @> the "managers" of the slot and help someone introduce @> a new TLD alias for the slot. @> @> For example, David Rogers might want to use that slot @> for the .LTD TLD he is working on. Via the neighbor net @> approach, people can easily find a slot and add a new @> TLD that does not conflict with other TLDs. This is very @> much like entering an auditorium with 2,048 seats, @> looking around, and asking people..."is that seat taken ?". @> @>>>> what is this raving ??? @ @Annie, @ @Jim is what one science fiction story termed an "agent provocateur" (where, @when the world is totally wired and everyone is on email, along comes a @person who talks the talk and walks the walk but is a bit demented and only @a few people can see thru his techno-mumbo-jumbo as being garbage). His @purpose in life is to drum up controversy and to have people run off in @directions that are unproductive. Becky Burr, Ira Magaziner, Wilkenson and @other political people cannot often differentiate people who know what they @are talking about and others who mention IPv8 and who sound knowledgable. @ @It is our responsibility to make sure that our voice is heard and not Jim's. @He emails more than we do, he is far more persistent than we are, but if we @fail to counter his "ravings" - we will soon see people discussing the @benefits of stargates and IPv8 galaxies and balloons. @ @-Hank @ Hank, Some people remember that you were a member of the Blue Ribbon IAHC. Just because you did not get mentioned in the list below does not mean that you are not remembered. ================= Here are the people that I feel are MOST responsible for the IAHC/CORE plan. I hope that history remembers what they have contributed in this area. 1. Jon Postel - IANA/USC/ISI 2. Don Heath - ISOC 3. Dave Crocker - IMC 4. Robert Shaw - ITU 5. George Strawn - NSF 6. David Maher - McDonalds 7. John Gilmore - EFF 8. Vinton Cerf - MCI 9. Michael Dillon - Priori 10. Gordon Cook - Cook Report 11. Perry Metzger - NY 12. Bill Manning - USC/ISI 13. Scott Bradner - ISOC 14. Ken Crispin - LBL 15. Rick Wesson - SF/CA ================= I find it interesting to read that you think your voice should be heard over others. In my opinion, your voice has been heard and many people have decided, on their own, to listen to other voices. This is what freedom and choice are all about, at least in the United States of America. You might want to keep that in mind over there in Israel. Also, you might want to note that your recent request to have me removed from the North American Network Operators (NANOG) mailing list (partly funded by U.S. Government grants) was not well received. I am curious why you think that you can sit over there in Israel and dictate who should and should not be on a public mailing list in the U.S. Is this the sort of thinking that came from being on the IAHC ? Please explain in more detail what you are trying to do... - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Mon May 18 15:00:20 MET DST 1998 ---------
On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote:
@Jim is what one science fiction story termed an "agent provocateur" (where, @when the world is totally wired and everyone is on email, along comes a @person who talks the talk and walks the walk but is a bit demented and only @a few people can see thru his techno-mumbo-jumbo as being garbage). His @purpose in life is to drum up controversy and to have people run off in @directions that are unproductive.
It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, that he has a specific goal in his provocateur activities and that he is likely being paid to do this by the U.S. telco industry. His goal is to discredit the Internet governance infrastructure in order to manipulate the U.S. government into creating an FCC-like regulatory infrastructure for the Internet. The U.S. telcos (and indeed national PTTs the world over) like this sort of structure because they know that, with it they can control the Internet by the same sorts of political manoeuverings they have perfected over the past several generations. So Hank is basically right that the best response is to take some time to do more talking to government. However don't be misled by Jim's email spew into thinking that a few emails to the right places will suffice. It is far more effective to take the time to write a cogent discussion of the issues and then snail-mail the document to the government agency. Or to visit them in person for a face-to-face discussion. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael at memra.com http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website* -------- Logged at Mon May 18 17:54:19 MET DST 1998 ---------
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