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2:141 .PLANET
by JimFleming＠unety.net 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

-----Original Message----- From: Terra Communications <wbrun at thepla.net> <snip> >again! Sorry folks no room. > > >Walter >wbrun at thepla.net If you are concerned that there is no room in IPv8, I suggest that you check out IPv4 and RIPE. With 2,048 "seats", IPv8 will handle about 10 times as many TLDs as are currently in the legacy Root Name Servers. This is 10 times more than some people would like to see. While I agree that there really is no limit, because of technology we have to set the boundaries at some reasonable point. If you like think of it like a large auditorium with 2,048 seats. There are logistics to getting people in and out and most importantly to making sure they do not collide. I suggest that people focus on taking one seat at a time to make sure there is room for other people that want a seat. The 8 large regions just help to keep things organized, as it turns out, .PLANET is in G2 and not G3. That may suit you better because G2 started with an emphasis on South America which has many spanish speaking people. 2:141 PLANET Keep in mind that domain names are only part of the challenge ahead. The other goal is to spread the IPv8 address resources around. With the .PLANET TLD the TLD authority can now start to sell, lease or give away IPv8 addresses in the 32-bit block with the following range. 2:141.X.X.X.X. This is an address space as large as the ENTIRE current IPv4 Internet. It will need to be managed well. IN-ADDR.PLANET should be used for reverse delegations in the DNS. If you need any help, there are more and more people familiar with the DNS and the Internet in general. I hope to see your involvement grow and I hope that you help others to get involved. The key to the Internet is to try to help keep it expanding. We also have to try to avoid having all of the resources being captured by a small elite group. That will only happen if many people work to fairly distribute the resources. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -------- Logged at Wed Sep 9 16:24:04 MET DST 1998 ---------

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[ AURSC ] Application for New TLD's
by JimFleming＠unety.net 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

One really has to admire people with open minds. Hopefully, history will remember who they are. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net> To: W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl <wojsyl1 at icm.edu.pl> Cc: Hank Nussbacher <hank at ibm.net.il>; tld-wg at ripe.net <tld-wg at ripe.net> Date: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [ AURSC ] Application for New TLD's > >Filtering the RIPE WG lists has been suggested earlier. In the discussions >there was consensus that content or sender based filters are a dangerous >proposition because the RIPE WG should be as open as possible. Therefore >we currently filter only messages which are clearly commercial spam. > >I personally think that it is much better if everyone decides indicidually >whether to read particular messages. I for one completely filter anything >from Jim Fleming. > >Daniel > > > "W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl" <wojsyl1 at icm.edu.pl> writes: > > > > Well, wouldn't it be more efficient to filter such things at the listserv > > instead then ? I'm sure it would safe many people lots of time ... > > > > Or isn't it possible to exclude certain emails from some mailing lists > > for excessive off-topic postings, if this is the case ? > > That would be a normal practice and would be favoured by people > > subscribing to focused discussion lists, such as RIPE WG lists. > > > > shouldn't be a hard thing to do ... > -------- Logged at Wed Sep 9 16:21:55 MET DST 1998 ---------

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[ AURSC ] Application for New TLD's
by hank＠ibm.net.il 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

At 11:23 AM 9/9/98 +0200, W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl wrote: >Er, what are you talking about ? >what is all this G3, IPv8 etc ? never heard about it ... IPv8 is a figment of Jim's imagination. People see his emails and begin to think that perhaps there is some technology they missed in their reading, so they ask around, and Jim is more than happy to reply. Think about someone who places a URL of 5 and 12 year old technical books in his sig that he once wrote. Most people on the Internet have him in their email filters so as not to see his stuff since it proves to be a large waste of time. -Hank > >--w > >> >> >> The answer to your first question is... >> the TLD authorities in G3...I have not >> looked at G3 lately but many of the TLDs >> in the European region were in there. I >> have copied some of the people that >> might have an interest. If I recall, there >> were some new people added for >> Poland. I am not sure where they stand. >> That is for the people in that region to >> work out. This is what self-governance >> is all about. >> >> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt >> >> I am not sure there is one web site for >> G3 or one e-mail address. In theory >> there should be about 256 of them. >> You should be able to query the DNS >> to find all of the G3 info, just like G6. >> >> G3 self-governance will depend on the >> TLD authorities in that region. If they >> work together they will have a nice >> neighbor net situation. They can start >> selling, leasing, or giving away IPv8 >> addresses to be used with IPv6 now, >> once they have their G:S number. >> >> If they make a mess of it, that is their >> mess. C'est la vie. >> >> >> Jim Fleming >> Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com >> End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC >> http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm >> UNETY Systems, Inc. - http://www.unety.net >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -------- Logged at Wed Sep 9 11:44:13 MET DST 1998 ---------

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[ AURSC ] Application for New TLD's
by hank＠ibm.net.il 09 Sep '98

09 Sep '98

At 11:45 AM 9/9/98 +0200, W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl wrote: >Hank Nussbacher >> >> At 11:23 AM 9/9/98 +0200, W.Sylwestrzak at icm.edu.pl wrote: >> >Er, what are you talking about ? >> >what is all this G3, IPv8 etc ? never heard about it ... >> >> IPv8 is a figment of Jim's imagination. People see his emails and begin to >> think that perhaps there is some technology they missed in their reading, so >> they ask around, and Jim is more than happy to reply. Think about someone >> who places a URL of 5 and 12 year old technical books in his sig that he >> once wrote. Most people on the Internet have him in their email filters so >> as not to see his stuff since it proves to be a large waste of time. >> >> -Hank >> > >Well, wouldn't it be more efficient to filter such things at the listserv >instead then ? I'm sure it would safe many people lots of time ... > >Or isn't it possible to exclude certain emails from some mailing lists >for excessive off-topic postings, if this is the case ? >That would be a normal practice and would be favoured by people >subscribing to focused discussion lists, such as RIPE WG lists. > >shouldn't be a hard thing to do ... APNIC did that about 3 months ago. I would not be against it for RIPE lists. -Hank >--w > > -------- Logged at Wed Sep 9 11:49:20 MET DST 1998 ---------

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The State of ccTLDs
by richard＠sexton.com 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

At 07:57 PM 9/7/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >It looks like the ORSC and the other RSCs >will have their work cut out for them just to >get the legacy TLDs documented. > >@@@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/inaugural.html > >"6. Comments from ITU >Bob Shaw, ITU. Research on Domains. >Mr. Shaw's department had surveyed 220+ ccTLD administrators, >contacting people by email, phone, fax and even telex, to try and >identify who is the correct contact point for each ccTLD and record >their address details. Current records of ccTLD administrative >contacts are woefully out of date, and it is important that accurate >records of who is the primary contact for ccTLDs is maintained. > >The data collected has been sent to the IANA, and is currently >available from as a database of >"Internet ISO 3166-Based Top Level Domains". This resource will be >linked from the APccTLD web site" I understand there will be a more comprehensive report soon, but not from Bob's "department". It will include ALL tld's. As Bob has discovered, there are many ccTLDs with no contact information whatsoever. 11 I believe. I think there is also one ctlsd withonly one nameserver listed and one with only one working. It's interesting to note that the technical requirements the new tld community has set for itself far exceeds the vast majority of cctlds. I don't mean to slag anybody, I'm just pointing this out. -- "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. " - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:06:55 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ccTLDs to Pay IANA
by JimFleming＠unety.net 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Will the ccTLDs have to pay to be part of the ORSC ? @@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/inaugural.html "Fay Howard, RIPE CENTR Project Manager" ... "However, ccTLD registries operate under local jurisdiction and receive quite limited services from the IANA --maintenance of their TLD in the root server-- , but do realize they will have to pay something towards the new IANA." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:06:05 MET DST 1998 ---------

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ccTLDs to Pay IANA
by richard＠sexton.com 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

At 08:08 PM 9/7/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >Will the ccTLDs have to pay to be part >of the ORSC ? > >@@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/inaugural.html > >"Fay Howard, RIPE CENTR Project Manager" >... >"However, ccTLD registries operate under local jurisdiction >and receive quite limited services from the IANA --maintenance of their >TLD in the root server-- , but do realize they will have to pay >something towards the new IANA." Not at this time. It's expected a nominal membership fee may be imposed at some point. The numbers that have been suggestd ar in the $35 - $100 range, $1000 for corporate membership, but nothing is final. -- "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. " - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:06:56 MET DST 1998 ---------

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IANA ccTLD Contracts ?
by JimFleming＠unety.net 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

Has anyone seen one of these ccTLD contracts from the IANA ? @@@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/inaugural.html "10. Report on Domainz, New Zealand, Patrick O'Brien, Chief Executive, Domainz" ... "* Obtain a contract to operate the ccTLD. Important to agents and customers that the registry has a firm contract with the new IANA." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:07:00 MET DST 1998 ---------

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The State of ccTLDs
by JimFleming＠unety.net 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

It looks like the ORSC and the other RSCs will have their work cut out for them just to get the legacy TLDs documented. @@@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/inaugural.html "6. Comments from ITU Bob Shaw, ITU. Research on Domains. Mr. Shaw's department had surveyed 220+ ccTLD administrators, contacting people by email, phone, fax and even telex, to try and identify who is the correct contact point for each ccTLD and record their address details. Current records of ccTLD administrative contacts are woefully out of date, and it is important that accurate records of who is the primary contact for ccTLDs is maintained. The data collected has been sent to the IANA, and is currently available from as a database of "Internet ISO 3166-Based Top Level Domains". This resource will be linked from the APccTLD web site" @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:05:21 MET DST 1998 ---------

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TLDs accepted
by JimFleming＠unety.net 08 Sep '98

08 Sep '98

The RSCs might want to pass this on to all of the various TLD managers. @@@@ http://www.apng.org/apcctld/minutes/sg-mtg.html "5. Membership Resolution: We accept any TLD which wants to participate as a member." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com End-2-End: VPC(Java)---C+ at ---<IPv8>---C+ at ---(Java)VPC http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://www.ddj.com/index/author/idx10133.htm -------- Logged at Tue Sep 8 19:04:07 MET DST 1998 ---------

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