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FW: The "Common Sense Concept"
by JimFleming＠unety.net 27 May '98

27 May '98

---------- From: Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming at unety.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 6:37 AM To: DOMAIN-POLICY at LISTS.INTERNIC.NET Cc: 'BBURR at ntia.doc.gov'; 'dns at iia.net.au'; 'Ira_C._Magaziner at oa.eop.gov' Subject: The "Common Sense Concept" On Tuesday, May 26, 1998 2:27 AM, Einar Stefferud[SMTP:Stef at nma.com] wrote: <snip> @ @This leads me to ask a very simple question: @ @ What is wrong with the concept of a confederation of @ interested parties forming up a self governing structure along @ the lines that I have outlined above. @ In my opinion, this concept is the right one and should be labeled the "Common Sense Concept" <http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/paine/> as opposed to some replacement for a particular group's proposal. The Common Sense Concept is compatible with the approach that I have been suggesting for a long time. Here are the major components that I feel are needed to make it work: 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance The following data file is used to illustrate the examples: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt ======================================================= 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs The notion of a Structured Root is very simple. You begin by creating a virtual auditorium or forum with a finite number of seats that are expected to accommodate as many likely participants will show up to participate. I have suggested that 2,048 "chairs" is more than enough. I know that 5 is not enough. Would any architect build an auditorium with 5 chairs ? On each seat you place the name of each TLD. You sprinkle the names into 8 major sections to spread the people around and to mix the country code TLDs in with the generic TLDs. Here is a sample of how the names can be placed on the seats. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt With 2,048 seats and 8 regions you have 256 seats per region. Each TLD is allowed 2 delegates (see #2 below) to the regional "meetings" which can happen in Cyberspace. Each of the 8 regions elects 2 delegates to the global meetings which means that 16 people come together from all over cyberspace to make global decisions which will be rare when you consider the Neighbor Net methods below. ======================================================= 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs In order to produce 2 delegates from each of the TLDs, I suggest that a 2+2+4 Trusteeship structure be used. In such a structure 8 people provide public stewardship for the TLD. They are like the trustees of a public library in a small town. Two of the people in the structure are considered to be the co-trustees. Each of those people have 2 back-ups and each of the back-ups have 2 back-ups. In my opinion that is plenty of depth to ensure that the TLD has stewardship in case someone dies, gets angry and disappears, etc. Here is an example of how the trusteeship might look. 6:224 AU (AUSTRALIA) 5 ____________________ 3 ____________________ 6 ____________________ 1 Robert Els (Elz?) 2 ____________________ 7 ___________________ 4 _____________________ 8 ____________________ Australia top-level domain (AU-DOM) Australian Research Network Computer Science University of Melbourne Parkville, Victoria 3052 AUSTRALIA Domain Name: AU Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Els, Robert (RE18) now at KNOWN.COM 61393748721 (FAX) 61393748724 ======================================================= 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance The Neighbor Net strategies are based on the common sense that comes from having people who are "sitting" near each other in the virtual auditorium working together. The Neighbor Net strategies are the most difficult for people to understand. I think this is partly because it is hard to show people sitting in a virtual auditorium with a flat ASCII file. When I show it with Java or C+@ animations, people seem to get it more quickly. The only way to explain it is via examples. Here are some editted pieces from discussions from the G6 region. 6:71 NZL (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) As an example, you could view NZL as seat 6:71 in a large auditorium. You would contact the people sitting around you. .TK might be easy to find and also .TUV. Let's say you could locate people backing those TLDs. Then the three of you become the trustees for all of the TLDs in between. You might find the people backing .NOC and then you have a complete neighbor net because all of the seats are filled from .TK to .NZL. That becomes your local area to grow. 6:69 TK (TOKELAU) 6:70 NOC 6:71 NZL (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:72 GARAGES 6:73 FLOUR 6:74 FIELD 6:75 TUV (TUVALU) On the other side of you, between .NZL and .TUV you may have more work to do. If you find out that those TLDs (.GARAGES, .FLOUR, .FIELD) are no longer supported you might want to change the names and invite new people to join your neighbor net. G6 only has 256 TLDs to coordinate. By working together with all of the other people in that G-overnance region, you keep the thing together. Eventually, you will run across 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) which is a little closer to home. Check out the neighbor net for that seat (6:130) and teach them how it works.... G6 will only be as good as the people there make it... ...have a ball... ====== In case you are more interested in New Zealand. You would find that seat 6:130 has NZ as shown here: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 6:115 LK (SRI-LANKA) 6:116 SCHOOL 6:117 MAJOR 6:118 RAMIE 6:119 FACT 6:120 MAKE 6:121 HARVEST 6:122 RAIN 6:123 MALT 6:124 PRIVATE 6:125 TON (TONGA) 6:126 CYBER 6:127 LKA (SRI-LANKA) 6:128 MAX 6:129 MWI (MALAWI) 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:131 MARKET 6:132 FJ (FIJI) If you work upwards and downwards looking for another 2-letter TLD you would find LK for SRI-LANKA and FJ for FIJI. Since there is only one seat between .NZ and .FJ you might want to locate the people backing the .MARKET TLD. This would complete that part of the neighbor net (or ring). >From there, you have more work to do or opportunity at the top of the list. Some of those TLDs might be easy to fill in and some may not. Again, as your governance policies get worked out, you can change the names above for the slots. Maybe .OZ is desired, or some other name. Be creative...have a ball... ====== Here is what is stored in the DNS for 7:240 .ARTS. Note that you have to look-up s240.g7 it is reversed. With this approach, we can scan the 2,048 combinations and figure out what TLD aliases are on each "seat". For example, in G6 we would look to your servers for S0.G6, S1.G6, S2.G6, ... S255.G6 to build the table of info for the TLDs. The TXT record has the TLD alias. The RP - Responsible Person record is used to point to a person's e-mail and web site. The other NS info provides typical nameserver delegation info for the TLD Name Servers. Adam Todd has been working on these sorts of delegations for the G6 region. He could delegate some to your name servers by delegating entries like S130.G6 for .NZ JF ==== ; <<>> DiG 2.1 <<>> s240.g7 any ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 5, Auth: 2, Addit: 1 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; s240.g7, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: s240.g7. 172800 SOA ns.unety.net. hostmaster.unety.net. ( 1998050506 ; serial 172800 ; refresh (2 days) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 1728000 ; expire (20 days) 172800 ) ; minimum (2 days) s240.g7. 172800 NS skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 NS ns.skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 TXT "ALIAS: ARTS" s240.g7. 172800 RP jnh.skyscape.net. www.skyscape.net. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: s240.g7. 172800 NS skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 NS ns.skyscape.net. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: skyscape.net. 148245 A 207.107.232.3 ;; Total query time: 23 msec ;; FROM: doorstep.unety.net to SERVER: default -- 207.32.128.1 ;; WHEN: Sun May 17 20:30:26 1998 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 25 rcvd: 216 ======================================================= SUMMARY: 1. Build a Virtual Auditorium to Hold All of the TLD Delegates 2. Draw Those Delegates from Trusteeships for Each TLD 3. Encourage the Decision Making to Happen in the Neighborhoods - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 26 14:36:46 MET DST 1998 ---------

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DNS: The "Common Sense Concept"
by dnsmaster＠nicwine.net 26 May '98

26 May '98

We are beginning to work similarly on the G3 (Europe) Zone, with AURSC. Whoever "owns" a TLD in this zone can contact us at dnsmaster at nicwine.net --- Jean-Christophe PRAUD - LUDEXPRESS Nicwine : http://www.nicwine.net Jim Fleming wrote: > > > In my opinion, this concept is the right one and should be labeled the > "Common Sense Concept" <http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/paine/> > as opposed to some replacement for a particular group's proposal. > The Common Sense Concept is compatible with the approach that I > have been suggesting for a long time. Here are the major components > that I feel are needed to make it work: > > 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs > 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs > 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance > > The following data file is used to illustrate the examples: > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt > -------- Logged at Wed May 27 01:50:48 MET DST 1998 ---------

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FW: Internet Governance and IANA
by JimFleming＠unety.net 26 May '98

26 May '98

---------- From: Daniel Karrenberg[SMTP:Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 5:24 AM To: RIPE Local Internet Registries WG Subject: Internet Governance and IANA ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:35:19 -0700 From: postel at ISI.EDU To: Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net Subject: Re: governance An update from the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). IANA is continuing to provide the neutral, central coordinating functions for the global Internet. As we await the United States government's final statement on the "Improvement of Technical Management of Internet Names and Addresses" (also known as the "Green Paper"), we are in the process of reorganizing and restructuring the IANA organization. This process will create an independent, not-for-profit corporation. The new IANA will establish separate offices from the University of Southern California and its Information Sciences Institute, where IANA is now located. We are selecting legal representation and preparing initial bylaws and articles of incorporation. The bylaws are being constructed to allow for international representation on the board of directors by address registries, domain name registries and registrars, protocol organizations, and the user/industry community. Since the deadline for having this organized may not permit a fully representative board to be in place initially, we expect to create a transitional board who will then conduct a process to establish the first fully functioning board with world-wide representation of all constituencies. In the spirit of community self-governance, we welcome your advice and suggestions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------- End of Forwarded Message -------- Logged at Tue May 26 19:03:10 MET DST 1998 ---------

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An Affordable Solution
by JimFleming＠unety.net 22 May '98

22 May '98

This should be pocket change for all of the 80+ CORE members the ITU, the ISOC, the IANA, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE... @@@@ http://www.aspeninst.org/dir/polpro/CSP/IPF/projdesc.html "In February 1998, a group of 23 participants met to outline the first steps the Project must take ..." "The Internet Policy Project is seeking charter members, at a funding level of $25,000 annually." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ...even some individuals should be able to afford this. :-) - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Fri May 22 13:54:04 MET DST 1998 ---------

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Making Your Voice Heard
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 11:52 AM, Berislav Todorovic[SMTP:BERI at etf.bg.ac.yu] wrote: <snip> @representatives. A single letter, signed by one person per country might @make much higher noise than some "isolated islands" of messages, written by @a few of us. Besides, like that - we can save time and energy! @ I am surprised that you did not select the vacation option in Stockholm, Sweden this week. :-) http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/attend.html In the long run, using the Internet is more effective. Eventually, people are going to get tired of flying on airplanes around the world to meet the same people that they could have met via the Internet. The Internet saves "time and energy"... - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 17:03:43 MET DST 1998 ---------

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A Man of Knowledge
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 1:33 PM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: @On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: <snip> @ @I take that back. I should have said that it is my studied opinion that @Jim Fleming is not _entirely_ demented, but is a paid agent provocateur @of the U.S. telco industry... @ Have you become a "Man of Knowledge" Michael ? @@@ ftp://ftp.earth.com/pub/archive/cc/castaneda-overview Carlos Castaneda Overview ========================= Version: 0.7 Last-Updated: Mon Jan 19 01:19:27 MST 1998 Email additions or changes to <sanders at earth.com> ... "Man of Knowledge A warrior who has become a sorcerer and who "sees" and "knows". The ultimate state of being, in total control over your being." ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 11:31:08 MET DST 1998 ---------

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IPv8 and ATM
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 1:33 PM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: @On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @> @It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, @ @> and IETF members to attack me and my family personally. I must @> say this is encouraging. Maybe I should ask Don Heath if I should @> still be concerned about his friends killing my parents with fire axes. @ @I take that back. I should have said that it is my studied opinion that @Jim Fleming is not _entirely_ demented, but is a paid agent provocateur @of the U.S. telco industry... @ @Obviously the man acts demented some of the time but I urge people to @be aware that he can be quite lucid when he wants to be and he should not @be dismissed as a simple lunatic. Don't let him manipulate you into @working on his agenda. If you are in government, take the time to seek out @opposing opinions so that you have something to weigh Fleming's statements @against. And if you are in the Internet industry, take the time to do some @work in the political arena because if you don't the telco monopolies will @rig the game in their favor as they have in the past. @ @-- @Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting @Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael at memra.com @http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website* @ @ Michael, Can review the posting below with everyone ? What does this mean ?..."If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc." What does this mean ?..."Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego." What does this mean ?..."If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over." What does this mean ?..."the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway" What does this mean ?..."use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking" ========================================================== From: michael at memra.com (Michael Dillon) Subject: Re: Nagualism vs. Otherisms Date: 17 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <5476pq$gu3 at sidhe.memra.com> references: <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk> organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting - http://www.memra.com newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda In article <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk>, <Gordon.Morrison at mail.sema.co.uk> wrote: > >Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a list of quotes by dJ, dG, CC >et al. which might help to convice someone with a strong Tonal that >Nagualism is NOT devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc.? If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc. >You know the kind of stuff I mean - all the fundamental premises/beliefs of >the Warrior's way: quotes about paths with heart, impeccability, having to >believe, sorcery-is-a-dead-end-street etc. You should re-read all the books and collect this set of quotes yourself. Then publish it on the web. It won't convert fundamentalist Christians but it may be very useful as an introduction for those who find the books a bit intimidating. >but they've read snippets of stuff out of context and jumped to >their own conclusions. I just want a neat package containing the basics >presented *in context*.) Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego and nagualism is an attempt to move beyond the ego to see the world as it truly is, an emanation of the one God. Remind them that even Lucifer is nothing more than a fallen angel who has lost his way from the light. If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over. At this point you will likely be amazed at how well you explain this stuff and will probably learn a thing or two. This, of course, assumes that you have enough energy to make your will the Eagle's will, or, to put it another way, assumes you have enough grace to let God's will be done through you. Funny how the choice of words can make two similar things seem miles apart, isn't it? BTW, the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway. So don't be disppointed if this person doesn't hear a thing you say. If you have a hard time letting go of such a failure then use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking. Let this person convert you to their religion, join their church, go to the meetings, go through the motions. You will no doubt encounter one or more small-fry petty tyrants in the process. Stalk them but always remember that when Don Juan stalked the foreman he never let the lady of the house suspect that he was anything other than what he pretended to be. -- Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael at memra.com ========================================================= - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 05:45:20 MET DST 1998 ---------

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IPv8 and ATM
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 3:22 AM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: <snip> @ @It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, that he has a @specific goal in his provocateur activities and that he is likely being @paid to do this by the U.S. telco industry. By the way Michael, just because IPv8 was designed with ATM mind and IPv6 was designed to break ATM is not my fault. That was a choice made by the people behind IPv6, not me. I can not help it if the IPv6 designers did not understand advanced routing or where circuit switching comes into play. By them taking an anti-telco position as engineers, they cut off their nose to spite their face. Now you have to live with the result, not me. IPv4 and IPv6 are like railroad technology. They are determined to keep the cars on the track and travelling from one city to the next. It is called the World Wide Wait by consumers. IPv8 on the other hand is more like airline technology. We load the passengers (packets) and taxi like a railroad but then we allow the passengers to leave the tracks and fly via ATM circuit switching near the final destination where the passengers land on railroad tracks for final delivery. We use the best of both worlds. Some call that demented. I am glad to see that you have changed your mind from your previous attempts to work with other ISOC and IETF members to attack me and my family personally. I must say this is encouraging. Maybe I should ask Don Heath if I should still be concerned about his friends killing my parents with fire axes. What is the status of that Don ? - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 03:34:25 MET DST 1998 ---------

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Internet Governance
by JimFleming＠unety.net 18 May '98

18 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 2:05 PM, Scott Averbach[SMTP:saverbac at hway.net] wrote: <snip> @ @If you enjoy inventing things and seeing people communicate why not come up @with a proposal of your own for addressing issues rather than pointing @fingers? Wouldn't that be along your lines of thinking as stated below? @ Scott, You seem to be missing some key background information. You seem to be making the assumption that all of the Internet Governance issues are in the private sector and the U.S. Government has decided to stick its nose into these matters. This is not the case. For years, and still to this day, many people and companies are operating with U.S. Government contracts and funding. They derive their "authority" from the U.S. Government. Do not let them tell you otherwise. Also, note that they are gaining financially from being U.S. Government contractors. They never seem to want to mention that. They somehow have people fooled into thinking they are non-profit volunteers with a strong dedication to the Internet. This is hardly the case. All discussions are currently focused on the U.S. Government and its policies. This is being done because the U.S. Government does not always have a good working knowledge of the Internet. They allowed their contractors to get too far afield without the proper oversight. That is now going to change. How that changes and what the final result looks like will be influenced by all concerned citizens helping the U.S. Government find the best approach any collection of people can develop given the time alloted, which has been years. If the U.S. Government's solution is a 100% withdrawal of all funding, contracts, influence, etc. then I think that you will see a very different set of discussions. Until the time (which is reported to be soon) that the U.S. Government develops and states their position we have to operate under the assumption that all companies enganged in IPv4 allocations and Domain Name sales and service are part of the U.S. Government's arena and as such are subject to public scrutiny and the extra laws that many companies do not have to be concerned about. Just because you might desire to paint a picture that one or more companies or people are outside of the U.S. Government's boundaries, does not make it so. Also, because companies have not paid for the U.S. Government assets they are using, they have no right to claim those assets in case the U.S. Government decides to pull out of the Internet 100%. Those assets should be sold and are subject to all of the U.S. Government laws regarding the disposal of assets. I am sure that people from the U.S. Government will make this clear to companies that may think they are going to walk away with the assets without government supervision of a sale, even if it is a fire-sale and no one else bids. It still has to happen. - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 03:21:42 MET DST 1998 ---------

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More on Neighbor Net for .WINE
by JimFleming＠unety.net 18 May '98

18 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 12:25 PM, Scott Averbach[SMTP:saverbac at hway.net] wrote: @One point/question remains unanswered from Michael Dillon's email. Are you @in fact being paid directly or indrectly from any company or organization to @continue these discussions and try to discredit the current @system/organizations that are in place for IPv4 addressing? @ I am compensated from the satisfaction that one obtains when people around the world communicate, especially using networks. That has been the way it has been for over 20 years. I invent things, I give them away, and I enjoy communication. I hope to continue. @What do you hope in attaining thourgh all these talks if you are not being @influeneced in continuing them? @Should I assume that the whole point of bringing this whole talk to light @was the announcement of ARIN's revenue during the first quarter? Why did @you wait till then before you started questioning everything. @ I have been questioning things for many, many years...long before ARIN. - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Mon May 18 21:05:10 MET DST 1998 ---------

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