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EC slams domain proposal, By Reuters (fwd)
by martin＠terena.nl 25 Feb '98

25 Feb '98

FYI: (For those not on the very noisy related lists. Forwarded without comment.) http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,19450,00.html EC slams domain proposal By Reuters Special to CNET NEWS.COM February 24, 1998, 5:10 p.m. PT BRUSSELS, Belgium--The European Commission has criticized a U.S. proposal for reforming the Internet's naming and address system, saying it would give Americans too much control over the global computer network. "The current U.S. proposals would...seem to consolidate permanent U.S. jurisdiction over the Internet as a whole, including dispute resolution and trademarks used on the Internet," it said in a draft reply to the initiative. The European Union executive, in a text that it hopes will be adopted by the 15 EU states, urges Washington to adopt a more international approach and to enter into "full bilateral consultations" before proceeding. The U.S. government formally published a proposal last week for phasing out its management of the address system for Internet locations--such as email and Web sites--and turning it over to a U.S.-based nonprofit corporation. It would also end the monopoly of U.S. company Network Solutions (NSI), which registers the most popular Internet addresses, including those ending in ".com," ".org," and ".net." Known as generic top-level domains (TLDs), they signify commercial users, not-for-profit organizations, and network service providers. The plan would create up to five new generic TLDs, each with a registry to manage a database of addresses. Other companies would compete to register the addresses. The Commission's draft reply, to be discussed by EU telecommunications ministers on Thursday, accuses Washington of ignoring a plan for a new registry system drawn up by the International Ad-Hoc Committee (IAHC), a group of Internet companies and organizations. IAHC proposed last year setting up seven new generic domains--such as ".store" for shops and ".arts" for culture--along with an international council of registrars. The commission also faults the U.S. "green paper" for seemingly giving the United States jurisdiction over all conflicts over trademarks in Internet addresses and failing to mention efforts to set up Internet dispute-resolution procedures within the World Intellectual Property Organization. The U.S. Commerce Department gave interested parties until March 23 to comment on the proposal. A U.S. official in Brussels said the initiative was "not set in stone" and that comments by the EU and other parties would be taken into account. "There have been consultations going on and there will be further consultations going on before we put the plan into action," the official added, noting that the proposal built on previous work on the issue. The EU telecommunications ministers are likely to direct their ambassadors in Brussels Thursday to finalize an EU response, diplomats said. Story Copyright ? 1998 Reuters Limited All rights reserved. --end John Martin TERENA, Singel 466-468, NL - 1017 AW Amsterdam phone: +31 20 5304488 ** fax: +31 20 5304499 ** http://www.terena.nl/ ** Please note new telephone and fax numbers -------- Logged at Thu Feb 26 12:04:41 MET 1998 ---------

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Update on nTLD meeting 2 march
by Paul.Ridley＠ripe.net 25 Feb '98

25 Feb '98

UPDATE NUMBER 3 DATED 25-2-98 Here is an updated list of attendees for the nTLD meeting on 2 march in Amsterdam. In summary 17 people representing 18 nTLDs will be attending the meeting. If you represent a RIPE area nTLD registry and still intend to come to the meeting please let me know asap. Regards Paul RIPE AREA NTLD MEETING 2 MARCH 1998, AMSTERDAM Hereafter follows a list of all those nTLD registries who have indicated that they will be present at the meeting, and who will reresent them. 1. AUSTRIA .at Gerhard Winkler 2. BELGIUM .be Pierre Verbaeten 3. DENMARK .dk Per Koelle 4. FRANCE .fr Herve Cosquer (note changed from Annie Renard) 5. GERMANY .de Sabine Dolderer 6. HUNGARY .hu Balazs Martos 7. IRELAND .ie Niall O'Reilly 8. ITALY .it Vittore Casarosa 9. LUXEMBURG .lu Marc Hensel 10. NETHERLANDS .nl Boudewijn Nederkoorn 11. POLAND .pl Maciej Kozlowski 12. RUSSIA .ru Alexei Platonov (may be able to attend) 13. SLOVENIA .si Barbara Povse 14. SPAIN .es Miguel A. Sanz 15. SWEDEN .se Eva Froelich 16. SWITZERLAND .ch Marcel Schneider (also representing .li) 17. UNITED KINGDOM .uk William Black Hereafter follows a list of those nTLD registries who have indicated support for RIPE CENTR but who are unable to attend the meeting. 1. LATVIA .lv Guntis Barzdins 2. LITHUANIA .lt Daiva Tamulioniene 3. MALTA .mt Victor Nezval 4. SUDAN .sd Ihab I Osman 5. YUGOSLAVIA .yu Berislav Todorovic -------- Logged at Wed Feb 25 23:56:15 MET 1998 ---------

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(Fwd) Fwd: IAB comments on Green Paper
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 24 Feb '98

24 Feb '98

For information, in case you haven't seen it already. Niall O'Reilly ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:43:44 +0000 From: John Martin <martin at terena.nl> (by way of Michael Walsh) Subject: Fwd: IAB comments on Green Paper To: niall.oreilly at ucd.ie For info, Michael. >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:41:39 +0000 >From: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley.ibm.com> >Organization: IBM Internet Division >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: ietf at ns.ietf.org >Subject: Fwd: IAB comments on Green Paper > >Note to the IETF from the IAB: > >The IAB has carefully studied the US Government Green Paper >at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/dnsdrft.htm >and has considered the opinions expressed on the >IETF and other mailing lists. We have sent the attached note >to Ira Magaziner in response to the Green Paper. > >The IAB will not comment on who should or should not >be entitled to operate a gTLD registry. There is clearly no >consensus on this in the IETF. It is also a question >affecting business practices, which is not a legitimate subject >of debate for a standards organization under anti-trust law. >The IAB was happy to nominate technical representatives to >the IAHC, and to the gTLD-MOU POC, and within reason would do >the same for any IANA-approved gTLD registry requesting technical >advice. > >> Subject: IAB comments on Green Paper >> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:33:41 +0000 >> From: Brian E Carpenter <brian at hursley.ibm.com> >> To: Ira Magaziner <Ira_C._Magaziner at oa.eop.gov> >> CC: iab at iab.org >> >> >> To: Ira C Magaziner >> From: Internet Architecture Board >> >> Ira, >> >> 1. The IAB generally welcomes the proposal to replace US >> Government funding of the central technical administration >> of the Internet by a new non-governmental body with widely >> based, international participation. The IAB, as a technical >> group, will not take a position on details of the public policy >> aspects of the proposal. >> >> 2. There appears to be considerable confusion in the community >> about the definition of 'registry' as presented in this paper. >> It is our understanding that this is meant to identify a shared >> database for registrations in a TLD. There are no technical >> limitations to management of such a database by multiple parties, >> even if the database is physically unique for technical reasons. >> The discussion concerning 'lock-in' reinforces the viewpoint that >> a single entity would control a database and therefore a gTLD. We >> do not believe this is required by database technology. As >> this issue is one of the most contentious, clarification of the >> text is required. >> >> Assuming we have correctly interpreted the word 'registry', >> the IAB wishes to point out that there is no technical reason >> for the proposed limit of one gTLD per such registry. >> >> On the other hand, a very large increase in the total number of gTLDs >> (say to thousands) would lead us into technically unknown territory. >> >> We note that the green paper attempts to define specifics and >> details concerning the number of gTLDs, the number of registries, >> and the number of gTLDs per registry. In keeping with the >> principles that have allowed the Internet to flourish, that is, >> bottom-up consensus-building and self-determination, we >> encourage the US government to avoid specific detail and, instead, >> allow self governance the opportunity to determine the details. >> We also note that considerable progress has been made over the >> last 12 months in developing gTLD criteria and dispute resolution >> procedures, and this progress is not adequately recognized in >> the green paper. >> >> 3. The IAB is a committee of the IETF, the open international >> voluntary standards organization for basic Internet protocols. >> We are therefore concerned that the proposed responsibility >> of the new corporation to >> >> >> coordinate the development of other >> >> technical protocol parameters as needed to maintain universal >> >> connectivity on the Internet. >> >> might be misread in such a way as to undermine the autonomy of the >> IETF. We propose that the word "development" should be replaced by >> the word "assignment". This would be consistent with the existing >> relationship between the IANA and the IETF, which has proved >> beneficial to all parties. >> >> 4. We support the authority of the current IANA, including that over >> the DNS root, throughout the transition period and we will be very >> happy to assist in any measures to reinforce that authority. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Brian E Carpenter (IAB Chair) brian at hursley.ibm.com >> IBM United Kingdom Laboratories http://www.hursley.ibm.com/~bc/ >> MP 185 phone: +44 1962 816833 >> Hursley Park fax: +44 1962 818101 >> Winchester >> Hampshire SO21 2JN, UK >> > John Martin TERENA, Singel 466-468, NL - 1017 AW Amsterdam phone: +31 20 5304488 ** fax: +31 20 5304499 ** http://www.terena.nl/ ** Please note telephone and fax numbers -------- Logged at Tue Feb 24 12:42:31 MET 1998 ---------

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Update on nTLD meeting 2 march
by Paul.Ridley＠ripe.net 23 Feb '98

23 Feb '98

UPDATE NUMBER 2 DATED 23-2-98 Here is an updated list of attendees for the nTLD meeting on 2 march in Amsterdam. In summary 15 people representing 16 nTLDs will be attending the meeting. If you represent a RIPE area nTLD registry and still intend to come to the meeting please let me know asap. Regards Paul RIPE AREA NTLD MEETING 2 MARCH 1998, AMSTERDAM Hereafter follows a list of all those nTLD registries who have indicated that they will be present at the meeting, and who will reresent them. 1. AUSTRIA .at Gerhard Winkler 2. DENMARK .dk Per Koelle 3. FRANCE .fr Annie Renard 4. GERMANY .de Sabine Dolderer 5. IRELAND .ie Niall O'Reilly 6. ITALY .it Vittore Casarosa 7. LUXEMBURG .lu Marc Hensel 8. NETHERLANDS .nl Boudewijn Nederkoorn 9. POLAND .pl Maciej Kozlowski 10. RUSSIA .ru Alexei Platonov (may be able to attend) 11. SLOVENIA .si Barbara Povse 12. SPAIN .es Miguel A. Sanz 13. SWEDEN .se Eva Froelich 14. SWITZERLAND .ch Marcel Schneider (also representing .li) 15. UNITED KINGDOM .uk William Black Hereafter follows a list of those nTLD registries who have indicated support for RIPE CENTR but who are unable to attend the meeting. 1. LATVIA .lv Guntis Barzdins 2. LITHUANIA .lt Daiva Tamulioniene 3. SUDAN .sd Ihab I Osman 4. YUGOSLAVIA .yu Berislav Todorovic -------- Logged at Tue Feb 24 11:14:58 MET 1998 ---------

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Update on nTLD meeting 2 March
by Paul.Ridley＠ripe.net 20 Feb '98

20 Feb '98

Dear all, As promised a quick mail to inform you as to which nTLD will be coming to the meeting on 2 March. As you will see there has been an encouraging response in a short time period. Those nTLD registries who still intend to come but have not yet replied should notify me asap. Those nTLD registries who are unable to come to the meeting but support the principles of RIPE CENTR should also mail me so that the true feelings within the nTLD community can be guaged. All the reponses I have received so far are listed below. Regards Paul RIPE AREA NTLD MEETING 2 MARCH 1998, AMSTERDAM Hereafter follows a list of all those nTLD registries who have indicated that they will be present at the meeting, and who will reresent them. 1. DENMARK .dk Per Koelle 2. FRANCE .fr Annie Renard 3. GERMANY .de Sabine Dolderer 4. IRELAND .ie Niall O'Reilly 5. ITALY .it Vittore Casarosa 6. LUXEMBURG .lu Marc Hensel 7. NETHERLANDS .nl Boudewijn Nederkoorn 8. RUSSIA .ru Alexei Platonov (may be able to attend) 9. SLOVENIA .si Barbara Povse 10. SPAIN .es Miguel A. Sanz 11. SWEDEN .se Eva Froelich 12. SWITZERLAND .ch Marcel Schneider (also representing .li) 13. UNITED KINGDOM .uk William Black Hereafter follows a list of those nTLD registries who have indicated support for RIPE CENTR but who are unable to attend the meeting. 1. LATVIA .lv Guntis Barzdins 2. LITHUANIA .lt Daiva Tamulioniene 3. SUDAN .sd Ihab I Osman 4. YUGOSLAVIA .yu Berislav Todorovic -------- Logged at Mon Feb 23 20:54:04 MET 1998 ---------

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IMPORTANT nTLD meeting 2 March 1998
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 19 Feb '98

19 Feb '98

I am in principle willing to support the RIPE CENTR project. Name: Niall O'Reilly nTLD represented: IE Function within the nTLD: Registry Manager I will attend the meeting on March 2, 1998 (y/n) Yes I am in principle willing to commit funds in 1998 (y/n) Yes (the level of funding to be decided) -------- Logged at Fri Feb 20 21:45:23 MET 1998 ---------

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nTLD meeting 2 March 1998
by Paul.Ridley＠ripe.net 17 Feb '98

17 Feb '98

This evening an invitation has been sent to all RIPE area nTLD registires, inviting then to the nTLD meeting being held at Schiphol on 2 March 1998. As will already be known to this list the aim of the meeting is to discuss RIPE CENTR and get initial commitment from those registries willing to support and fund RIPE CENTR. This invitation was sent ot the contact person as listed in the mail sent by Boudewijn Nederkoorn on 10 Feb (the correction for .sk has been incorporated). This list will be repeated at the end of this mail. If you are managing an nTLD registry within the RIPE area and have not yet received the invitation then please obtain from the contact person for your registry, or if this data is incorrect mail me and I will forward you an invitation asap. This list will be kept informed as to how many registries will be attending the meeting and of course will be informed of any outcome of the meeting. Regards Paul Ridley -------- Logged at Thu Feb 19 16:29:49 MET 1998 ---------

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RIPE CENTR Project
by schneider＠switch.ch 16 Feb '98

16 Feb '98

On Friday, 6 Feb 1998, Sabine Dolderer writes: > Hello, > just to keep you informed an to start things moving. > Yesterday we had a internal meeting and we decided that we will > strongly support the efforts to organize the nTLDs on a more formal base. > The DENIC will therefore partizipate and support the startup of the > project. > I look forward to see you in Amsterdam. Me too. Boudewijn Nederkoorn has promised to organize that meeting and we are all looking forward to do it :). > Regards Sabine > ----------------------------------+------------------------------------------- > Sabine Dolderer | eMail : Sabine.Dolderer at denic.de > DENIC eG | Fon : +49 69 27235 0 > Wiesenhuettenplatz 26 | Fax : +49 69 27235 235 > D-60329 Frankfurt | > ----------------------------------+-------------------------------------------- Marcel -------- Logged at Tue Feb 10 15:17:50 MET 1998 ---------

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Misleading AGAIN about 3rd world... (was: Re: CORE == Big Brother ??)
by jbroom＠manta.outremer.com 12 Feb '98

12 Feb '98

> As for your assertions that CORE > is about to open up the application > process no-one is convinced of this. > Furthermore, the current technical > and fiscal requirements CORE places > as the minimum are wildly exagerated. > The USG Green Paper makes the same > error. By setting standards so high > just about every individual or not > for profit group and most of the so > called Third or Under-Developed World > is shut *out* of the picture forever. > US$10,000 and a US$300,000 line of > credit are unattainable. Not when > one will make pennies per domain in > profits or funds raised. This is *again* one of those arguments that gets beaten into the dust, people seem to accept that it's a fallacy, and after a few months it comes up again. -sigh-. For the umpteenth time, connectivity in itself is INCREDIBLY expensive in 3rd world countries. There seems to be some sort of economic law which imposes that the more technologically backward a country is, the more expensive the links are (in REAL money, which means that relative to the average income, the prices rocket). Here in Guadeloupe we have a 256K link at the ISP where I work, for this we pay ~80,000ff (around $13,000) PER MONTH (just think of the link you can get in the U.S. for that price). Btw, that price INCLUDES "generous" discounts from the Telco... And Guadeloupe is a French province (albeit in the Caribbean). Go somewhere deep in Africa or even a place like India, and LINK prices soar. What I'm trying to say is that if the 3rd world company is large enough to be able to afford a link, it CERTAINLY has assets way beyond $300K, and $10K is more or less peanuts for them. If anything, this hurts the wanabees who think that because they can afford their 64K link they are ready to take on the world (yes Bob, I mean you), which are -of course- mostly located in U.S. & Canada, because nowhere else can you get permanent 64K links to the 'net for $100/month or less... You can continue to complain that it shuts out companies like yours, but leave out the 3rd world because *this* is not what is shutting them out. Apart from that... Probably it's going to be hard to recover cash through registrar operation, which is exactly as it should be, because something that you're nearly OBLIGED to get (a domain name) should not be open to someone who wants to bleed you for it. Name registration should be a service that companies have in addition to something else and rarely just as a service in itself (because of the low margins). It's natural that a contractor can sell you (amongst other things) a brick, but you wouldn't expect a building contractor to base a business on solely selling bricks. The NATURAL registrar is going to be an ISP, and only rarely will you have other types of companies (the other types which I can envision are the NetNames type or IDnames, or vi.net... a purely niche market). Look at the UK market to see what I mean. Yours, John Broomfield. -------- Logged at Mon Feb 16 13:01:22 MET 1998 ---------

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CORE == Big Brother ??
by Roberto.Gaetano＠etsi.fr 12 Feb '98

12 Feb '98

Hi, Jeff. About my sentence: > Roberto Gaetano wrote: <snip> > > There has been no open discussion, no consultation of the other > > Governments of the world, no vote, no nothing. > You answered: > It is true that there has been no voting, yet. This is part of what > must > be done > And later: ... so you statment here is > without > basis of fact on that score. > Is it true, or is it without basis of fact that there has been no voting? If USG will organize a vote, extended to the Internet community, on the Green Paper I'll buy you a beer (or the drink of your choice) Roberto P.S.: In case you win (which I doubt ;>)), don't ask for some Barolo, Domaine Cavallotto, year 1994, because 1994 was such a bad year that they decided not to make Barolo, but to use all their production for the plain Nebbiolo brand (which I wholeheartedly recommend, by the way). -------- Logged at Thu Feb 12 22:49:07 MET 1998 ---------

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