At 07:39 28/08/98 +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Jean-Christophe Praud wrote:
>
>If RIPE CENTR includes "alternate" cccTLDs in its charter, .il will have
>to withdraw its support.
Hank,
I would like to explore with you the reasons behind your statement.
Please feel free to discuss this with me in private. It would be
appreciated.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Nussbacher <hank at ibm.net.il>
To: Jean-Christophe Praud <jc.praud at ludexpress.com>
Cc: Fay Howard <fay at ripe.net>; centr at ripe.net <centr at ripe.net>;
centr-info at ripe.net <centr-info at ripe.net>; tld-wg at ripe.net
<tld-wg at ripe.net>; 'Artur Grzymala' <artur at zoo.pl>; Veni Markovski
<veni at isoc.bg>; Adam Todd <at at ah.net>; Jim Fleming <JimFleming at unety.net>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: CENTR workshop for ccTLD Managers
>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Jean-Christophe Praud wrote:
>
>If RIPE CENTR includes "alternate" cccTLDs in its charter, .il will have
>to withdraw its support.
>
Out of curiosity, how do you classify TLDs as "alternate" ?
Also, who in the government in Israel helps to set these
policies ?
Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com
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Jim, please forward to the appropriate lists, as I'm not subscribed to most
of them)
More than 6 months ago, when I was telling each and everyone of you about
the problems with the .bg TLDA (see details at http://www.bol.bg/protest/ -
English version is also available), Mr. Postel answered me that there's no
conflict of interests, since I am the only one to have written him?!
The Bulgarian TLDA is behaving in total disaccordance with the current RIPE,
IANA and Bulgarian Laws; they are combining at the same time ISP and a
public service. They've decided to introduce a tax for registering new
domain ($ 50), plus a yearly tax ($ 50); that's more than twice as high as
in the US, yet in Bulgaria average monthly payment is $ 100! This brings
them about $ 20-30 thousand per year - money that could be used for the good
of all the Internet in Bulgaria, and not only for the profit of one private
company which is misusing it's monopolist situation
Noone from abroad except for 8 European ISOC (http://www.isoc.bg/disc_e.htm)
representatives supported us in our protest.
Mr. Postel is obviously and unonditionally taking side of the current TLDA
in Bulgaria, eventhough they've shown their disrespect towards the Internet
community in the country.
He could have at least asked for more details from the Internet Society -
Bulgaria, and from other interested parties to learn the trutn.
regards,
Veni Markovski,
Chairman, the Internet Society - Bulgaria
p.o.box 71, Sofia 1164, Bulgaria
phone +359-2-9809666, phone/fax: () 9806431
p.s. off topic. I had a domain veni.bg, which was stopped, eventhough I've
paid in advance some money, and have specifically expressed my interest in
keeping my domain but in return for my money I wanted a contract from the
.bg TLDA. The contract was never received, but the domain was stopped. Now I
had to register veni.com to be able to have private correspondence.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
>To: apple at apnic.net <apple at apnic.net>; anr-talk at anr.org <anr-talk at anr.org>
>Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 11:34 AM
>Subject: Abuse of ccTLD powers
>
>
>>Apple members:
>>If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a
>>ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming
>>out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to
>>organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is
>>interested in maintaining a free and open Internet will attend the
>>Singapore meeting with this in mind. I also hope that the Asia Pacific
>>Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee
>>will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may
>>begin to lose the trust of the international community.
>>--MM
>>
>>http://www.sjmercury.com/asia/center/japan080198.htm
>>
>>* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request at apnic.net *
>>
>
>Milton,
>
>This is not the only ccTLD with such practices.
>Jon Postel's IANA has allowed people to obtain
>top level domains and claim they have the
>support of the government. When challenged,
>they claim they have the support of the people.
>When really challenged, they claim to have the
>support of ISPs. In some cases, they are that
>ISP. In other words, they endorse themselves.
>
>This is one of the reasons why experts in this
>area have concluded that TLDs should be TLDs
>because there is no way to clean up the existing
>mess and little benefit in doing it. The general
>public needs to be better educated about the
>fraud and corruption in ccTLDs. In some areas
>of the world, this is done and their solution is
>to send everyone to .COM. That is one of the
>reasons why it is so crowded.
>
>
>Jim Fleming
>Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
To: apple at apnic.net <apple at apnic.net>; anr-talk at anr.org <anr-talk at anr.org>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 11:34 AM
Subject: Abuse of ccTLD powers
>Apple members:
>If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a
>ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming
>out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to
>organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is
>interested in maintaining a free and open Internet will attend the
>Singapore meeting with this in mind. I also hope that the Asia Pacific
>Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee
>will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may
>begin to lose the trust of the international community.
>--MM
>
>http://www.sjmercury.com/asia/center/japan080198.htm
>
>* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request at apnic.net *
>
Milton,
This is not the only ccTLD with such practices.
Jon Postel's IANA has allowed people to obtain
top level domains and claim they have the
support of the government. When challenged,
they claim they have the support of the people.
When really challenged, they claim to have the
support of ISPs. In some cases, they are that
ISP. In other words, they endorse themselves.
This is one of the reasons why experts in this
area have concluded that TLDs should be TLDs
because there is no way to clean up the existing
mess and little benefit in doing it. The general
public needs to be better educated about the
fraud and corruption in ccTLDs. In some areas
of the world, this is done and their solution is
to send everyone to .COM. That is one of the
reasons why it is so crowded.
Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com
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