May 1998 - tld-wg - mailman.ripe.net

RIPE Meeting Attendees
by JimFleming＠unety.net 28 May '98

28 May '98

RIPE finally published an updated list of the attendees at the recent meeting in Stockholm, Sweden. Here is the list sorted by TLD. As many people know, RIPE has been expanding into the TLD coordination business. In the past, they have focused on IPv4 allocations which some people tried to mislead the U.S. Government into thinking have nothing to do with domain names. People working on "neighbor nets" might want to note the people below for the various TLDs. Many of these people are IPv4 address-oriented people, yet they will clearly have to get into the TLD business as the Registry Industry matures. Likewise, people in the TLD Registry Industry will likely want to become more familiar with the IP address sales and leasing businesses. The people below may be able to help in that area. @@@ http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-30/attend.html ?? Antonio Marquez Rediris AT Christian Panigl VUCC/ACOnet AT Gerhard Winkler VUCC / ACOnet AT Herbert Schoefbaenker Council Systems AT Wilfried Woeber UniVie - ACOnet BE Igor Sportmans Belgacom BE Pascal Delmoitie BELNET BE Patrick De Groote Unisource Belgium BE Stefano Previdi cisco Systems CH Felix Kugler SWITCH CH Marcel Schneider SWITCH CH Roger Gottsponer SWITCH CH ivan communod digital CM Denis Akam INTELCAM CM Jean Ernest Bikoe INTELCAM CM Raphael Tientcheu INTELCAM CZ Ingrid Ledererova InWay, a.s. CZ Petr Kral InWay, a.s. DE Andrea Kolek Deutsche Telekom AG DE Andreas Schachtner eco e.V. DE Anton Zur Evolution Systems DE Bernhard Kroenung regio[.NET] GmbH DE Berthold Paffrath Deutsche Telekom AG DE Bettina Kauth DFN-NOC DE Carsten Schiefner TCP/IP GmbH - Contrib.Net DE Christian Braun DENIC DE Christoph Gaertner o.tel.o communications DE David Pratt VIAG Interkom DE Dhouha Houssi DENIC DE Gerd Dopjans o.tel.o communications GmbH & Co DE Gert Doering SpaceNet DE Greg Cipollone Twinwave GmbH DE Ingo Stampe mediaWays DE Jan Czmok IPF.NET Service Provider GmbH DE Joachim Schmitz America Online Inc DE Jonas Luster easynet DV GmbH DE Kai Siering IS Internet Services GmbH & Co DE Klaus Landefeld Nacamar Group PLC DE Ludger Bornhorst Deutsche Telekom DE Martin Sieler Fraunhofer IIS-A DE Michael Beckmann POP Point of Presence DE Michael Froelich ECRC Network Services GmbH DE Michael van Elst Xlink Internet Consulting GmbH DE Oliver Doll UUNET Deutschland GmbH DE Peter Juffernholz Teleglobe GmbH DE Ruediger Kladt IPF.NET DE Ruediger Volk Deutsche Telekom AG DE S. Petra Zeidler Xlink Internet Service GmbH DE Stefan Maly MultiNET Services DE Thomas Trede Nacamar DE Volkmar Juergens POP Point of Presence DE Wolfgang Tremmel Xlink DE Wolfram Becker ECRC Network Services GmbH DK Frode Greisen Ebone DK Morten Christensen Tele Danmark Internet DK Sean Doran Ebone A/S DK Torben Bajlum Tele Danmark ES Daniel Diaz RedIRIS ES Javier Gonzalez Telefonica Transmision de Datos ES Manuel Garcia Acceso Sistemas de Informacion, s.a. EU Ambrose Magee RIPE NCC EU Bettina Schroeder RIPE NCC EU Chris Fletcher RIPE NCC EU Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC EU Eamonn McGuinness RIPE NCC EU Fay Howard RIPE NCC EU Graca Carvalho Cisco Systems Europe EU Henk Uijterwaal RIPE NCC EU James Aldridge EUnet EU Joao Damas RIPE NCC EU John Crain RIPE NCC EU Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC EU Maldwyn Morris RIPE NCC EU Mandy Jonkers RIPE NCC EU Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC EU Monica Cortes RIPE NCC EU Naomi de Bruyn RIPE NCC EU Paula Caslav RIPE NCC EU Pepa Tejedor RIPE NCC EU Sabrina Waschke RIPE NCC FI Arttu Laine EUnet Finland Oy FI Jorma Mellin Telia Finland Ltd FI Juha Oinonen CSC/FUNET FI Juha Paananen Telia Finland Oy FI Kristian Rastas Sonera Corporation FI Marko Memonen CSC-Tieteellinen Laskenta Oy FI Patrik Andersin Clinet Oy FI Petteri Helin Clinet Oy FI Sami Koskinen Clinet Oy FI Vesa Ruokonen Telia Finland Oy FR Alexandre Provost Groupe Ecritel France FR Annie Renard AFNIC (NIC France) FR Arnaud Lejeune Graphnet FR Beatrice Faure Groupe Ecritel France FR Christophe Cachat CEGETEL ENTREPRISES FR Daniele Bovio America Online, Inc. FR Etienne Ruch Siris FR Francis Dupont GIE DYADE FR Lionel GARENNE CEGETEL Entreprises FR Marc PICHON CEGETEL Entreprises FR Michael Hallgren Graphnet FR Nelly Denise SIRIS FR Paul Rolland Oleane FR Sylvain Kouda Siris GB Asquith Bonaparte JIPS NOSC (ULCC) GB Duncan Rogerson TEN-34 NOC GB Kevin Hoadley JANET GB Richard Sloan UUNET UK GR Manolis Chatzakis ICS-FORTH GR HU Attila Nyari Westel900 GSM. Mobile Teleco. HU Balazs Martos Hungarnet HU Janos Zsako BankNet IE Mike Norris HEAnet IS Marius Olafsson INTIS IT Andrea Mattasoglio CILEA IT Antonio-Blasco Bonito University of Pisa IT Daniele Vannozzi CNR IT Gian Luca Mattu Telecom Italia SpA IT Stefano Suin University of Pisa IT Vittore Casarosa CNR - IAT LU Thierry Coutelier Entreprise des P&T NL Armand Verstappen Demon Internet NL Boudewijn Nederkoorn SURFnet NL Diederik van Diggelen AT&T-Unisource NL Erik Lohr IBM Global Services NL Erwin d' Hont Demon Internet NL Hans van Duijne AT&T-Unisource NL Hans van der Molen AT&T-Unisource NL John Martin TERENA NL Marian Kruydenhof Unisource Business Networks b.v. NL Rob Blokzijl RIPE/NIKHEF NL Ronald van der Pol SURFnet NL Thomas Telkamp AT&T-Unisource NL henk smit cisco systems NO Hans Petter Holen SOL System AS NO Havard Eidnes UNINETT/NORDUnet NO Hogne Solvoll Telenor Nextel NO Steinar Grotterod Telia Registry Norge NZ Patrick O'Brien Domainz -- The New Zealand Internet Registry Ltd PL Konrad Plich TP S.A. - CST PL Maciej Kozlowski NASK PL Miroslaw Luc Research and Academic Network in Poland PL Wojtek Malek TP S.A. - CST PL Wojtek Sylwestrzak ICM PT Armando Domingues FCCN PT Rui Azevedo Matos Telepac RU Andrew Romanov RIPN RU Maria Stepanova RIPN SE Anders Hedlund Telia AB SE Anders Honkamaa pi.se AB SE Andreas Haggander Telia Network Services SE Anna Skyllberg Telia AB SE Bjorn Carlsson EBONE inc SE Carl Hamacher Telenordia SE Carl Moberg Telia Network Services SE Catherine Exelby FCI Telecommunications Corporation SE David Kvarnberg pi.se AB SE Dennis Wennstrvm Telenordia SE Eden Akhavi FCI Telecommunications Corporation SE Eric Ostberg Telenordia AB SE Eva Froelich NIC-SE SE Fredrik Nyman SwipNet SE Fredrik Widell Global One SE Gabrielle Eklund pi.se AB SE Gunilla Malmqvist Telenordia AB SE Gunnar Lindberg Chalmers University of Technology SE Hakan Hansson Telia Network Services SE Hans Niklasson SwipNet SE Helen Dagerus SwipNET SE Jan Guldborg Ebone Inc. SE Jorgen Larsson Telia AB Sektor Datakom SE Klara Rank pi.se AB SE Kurt Erik Lindqvist EUnet Sverige AB SE Lotta Flyman Telia Network Services SE Madeleine Gustafsson Telenordia AB SE Magnus Ahltorp Aladdin SE Michael Skutnabba Telenordia AB SE Mikael Eriksson KTH/IT SE Nisse Steen SwipNet SE Ola Winberg FMV SE Ove Landberg Swedish Armed Forces SE Patric Ostman Global One SE Per Lundberg Telecom Finland AB, SONERA AB SE Per-Olof Haettner FMV SE Peter Lothberg Stupi AB SE Peter Nilsson Global One SE Pontus Ekman pi.se AB SE Ragnar Lvnn Telenordia SE Rikard Hoglund Telia Network Services SE Sofia Hymnelius Telia AB SE Tomas Ahlstrvm Telia Ab SE Tomi Kortelainen KTH/IT SE Uno Staver FMV SE stockman bernhard Telianet SI Avgust Jauk ARNES SI Barbara Povse Golob ARNES SK Lubos Elias SANET SK Marian Durkovic CVTSTU/SANET SK Miroslav Vallo TELENOR Slovakia UA Alexander Milutin INFOCOM UA Yuri Demchenko Global Ukraine JV UK Anthony Turner Netcom UK Ltd. UK Darren Byrne Demon Internet Ltd. UK Darren Taylor Demon Internet Ltd. UK Denesh Bhabuta Demon Internet Ltd. UK Dr William Black Nominet UK UK Elliott Atkins REDNET Limited UK Geoffrey Sisson Nominet UK UK Ivan Beveridge Demon Internet Ltd. UK Keith Mitchell LINX UK Michael Behringer DANTE UK Paul Thornton LINX UK Peter Emptage Cisco Systems UK Richard Almeida Internet Network Services UK Sam Critchley UUNET UK Stephen Burley UUNET UK Steve Foster Global High Street Ltd US Carl Malamud Internet Multicasting Service US Craig Labovitz Merit Network, Inc. US David Kessens ISI US Dawn Martin ARIN US Deibler Danielle L. DIGEX, Incorporated US Dorian Kim Verio US Ed Kern DIGEX US Jake Khuon Merit Network, Inc. US Kim Hubbard ARIN US Mark McFadden Commercial Internet eXchange US Randy Bush Verio, Inc. US Robert C. Noland III UUNET Technologies US Robert Hinden Nokia US Tom Spindler Merit Network, Inc. US rekhter yakov Sisco systems @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------- Logged at Tue Jun 2 11:02:03 MET DST 1998 ---------

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DNS: The "Common Sense Concept"
by JimFleming＠unety.net 27 May '98

27 May '98

On Wednesday, May 27, 1998 12:19 AM, Jean-Christophe Praud[SMTP:jc.praud at ludexpress.com] wrote: @We are beginning to work similarly on the G3 (around Europe) Zone, with @AURSC. @ @Whoever "owns" a TLD in this zone can contact us at @dnsmaster at nicwine.net @for gTLDs implementation. @ @Best regards, @ @--- @Jean-Christophe PRAUD - LUDEXPRESS @NicWine : http://www.nicwine.net @ <snip> I am sure all of the fine people in the G3 region will do a great job and will introduce new and creative approaches to Internet G-overnance. One thing to look out for are people that want to add new TLDs. Whatever systems you decide upon should be inclusive and should welcome people. Hopefully, some of the neighbor net approaches will help to do this. A quick check of the list shows that your TLD (.WINE) is located between Denmark (.DK) and Morocco (.MA). You might want to focus on those two TLDs to create your "neighborhood". http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 3:210 DK (DENMARK) <--- ??? 3:211 MLT (MALTA) 3:212 VIDEO 3:213 WINE <------------------Jean-Christophe Praud 3:214 RAILWAY 3:215 BALLOON 3:216 SVK (SLOVAKIA-(Slovak-Republic)) 3:217 DNK (DENMARK) 3:218 GRC (GREECE) 3:219 INFO <---- Simon Higgs ? 3:220 PUNK <----------------- ISP/C Member ??? 3:221 SVN (SLOVENIA) 3:222 FLAT 3:223 STOCKHOLM 3:224 MA (MOROCCO) <---- ??? If you find that the names in your neighbor-net are not in use then they can be relabeled with new TLDs. You might want to label the entries that you know are available with a TXT record of "ALIAS:" in the DNS entries to show there is no label assigned. There once was an ISP/C board member that expressed an interest in .PUNK. His name was Chris ?. I think he changed his name and I lost track of him. Charles Smith might be able to help you locate him. As for some of the other TLDs in the neighbor net above, you might want to check with Simon Higgs on .INFO, that may be one he has running. Good luck to everyone in G3. Keep us posted with changes and as soon as your G3 TLD name servers are up we can query them to get the latest who's who in G3 info. Keep up the good work... - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Wed May 27 09:24:55 MET DST 1998 ---------

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DNS: The "Common Sense Concept"
by jc.praud＠ludexpress.com 27 May '98

27 May '98

We are beginning to work similarly on the G3 (around Europe) Zone, with AURSC. Whoever "owns" a TLD in this zone can contact us at dnsmaster at nicwine.net for gTLDs implementation. Best regards, --- Jean-Christophe PRAUD - LUDEXPRESS NicWine : http://www.nicwine.net Jim Fleming wrote: > > > In my opinion, this concept is the right one and should be labeled the > "Common Sense Concept" <http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/paine/> > as opposed to some replacement for a particular group's proposal. > The Common Sense Concept is compatible with the approach that I > have been suggesting for a long time. Here are the major components > that I feel are needed to make it work: > > 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs > 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs > 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance > > The following data file is used to illustrate the examples: > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt > -------- Logged at Wed May 27 08:00:33 MET DST 1998 ---------

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FW: The "Common Sense Concept"
by JimFleming＠unety.net 27 May '98

27 May '98

---------- From: Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming at unety.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 6:37 AM To: DOMAIN-POLICY at LISTS.INTERNIC.NET Cc: 'BBURR at ntia.doc.gov'; 'dns at iia.net.au'; 'Ira_C._Magaziner at oa.eop.gov' Subject: The "Common Sense Concept" On Tuesday, May 26, 1998 2:27 AM, Einar Stefferud[SMTP:Stef at nma.com] wrote: <snip> @ @This leads me to ask a very simple question: @ @ What is wrong with the concept of a confederation of @ interested parties forming up a self governing structure along @ the lines that I have outlined above. @ In my opinion, this concept is the right one and should be labeled the "Common Sense Concept" <http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/paine/> as opposed to some replacement for a particular group's proposal. The Common Sense Concept is compatible with the approach that I have been suggesting for a long time. Here are the major components that I feel are needed to make it work: 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance The following data file is used to illustrate the examples: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt ======================================================= 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs The notion of a Structured Root is very simple. You begin by creating a virtual auditorium or forum with a finite number of seats that are expected to accommodate as many likely participants will show up to participate. I have suggested that 2,048 "chairs" is more than enough. I know that 5 is not enough. Would any architect build an auditorium with 5 chairs ? On each seat you place the name of each TLD. You sprinkle the names into 8 major sections to spread the people around and to mix the country code TLDs in with the generic TLDs. Here is a sample of how the names can be placed on the seats. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt With 2,048 seats and 8 regions you have 256 seats per region. Each TLD is allowed 2 delegates (see #2 below) to the regional "meetings" which can happen in Cyberspace. Each of the 8 regions elects 2 delegates to the global meetings which means that 16 people come together from all over cyberspace to make global decisions which will be rare when you consider the Neighbor Net methods below. ======================================================= 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs In order to produce 2 delegates from each of the TLDs, I suggest that a 2+2+4 Trusteeship structure be used. In such a structure 8 people provide public stewardship for the TLD. They are like the trustees of a public library in a small town. Two of the people in the structure are considered to be the co-trustees. Each of those people have 2 back-ups and each of the back-ups have 2 back-ups. In my opinion that is plenty of depth to ensure that the TLD has stewardship in case someone dies, gets angry and disappears, etc. Here is an example of how the trusteeship might look. 6:224 AU (AUSTRALIA) 5 ____________________ 3 ____________________ 6 ____________________ 1 Robert Els (Elz?) 2 ____________________ 7 ___________________ 4 _____________________ 8 ____________________ Australia top-level domain (AU-DOM) Australian Research Network Computer Science University of Melbourne Parkville, Victoria 3052 AUSTRALIA Domain Name: AU Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Els, Robert (RE18) now at KNOWN.COM 61393748721 (FAX) 61393748724 ======================================================= 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance The Neighbor Net strategies are based on the common sense that comes from having people who are "sitting" near each other in the virtual auditorium working together. The Neighbor Net strategies are the most difficult for people to understand. I think this is partly because it is hard to show people sitting in a virtual auditorium with a flat ASCII file. When I show it with Java or C+@ animations, people seem to get it more quickly. The only way to explain it is via examples. Here are some editted pieces from discussions from the G6 region. 6:71 NZL (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) As an example, you could view NZL as seat 6:71 in a large auditorium. You would contact the people sitting around you. .TK might be easy to find and also .TUV. Let's say you could locate people backing those TLDs. Then the three of you become the trustees for all of the TLDs in between. You might find the people backing .NOC and then you have a complete neighbor net because all of the seats are filled from .TK to .NZL. That becomes your local area to grow. 6:69 TK (TOKELAU) 6:70 NOC 6:71 NZL (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:72 GARAGES 6:73 FLOUR 6:74 FIELD 6:75 TUV (TUVALU) On the other side of you, between .NZL and .TUV you may have more work to do. If you find out that those TLDs (.GARAGES, .FLOUR, .FIELD) are no longer supported you might want to change the names and invite new people to join your neighbor net. G6 only has 256 TLDs to coordinate. By working together with all of the other people in that G-overnance region, you keep the thing together. Eventually, you will run across 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) which is a little closer to home. Check out the neighbor net for that seat (6:130) and teach them how it works.... G6 will only be as good as the people there make it... ...have a ball... ====== In case you are more interested in New Zealand. You would find that seat 6:130 has NZ as shown here: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 6:115 LK (SRI-LANKA) 6:116 SCHOOL 6:117 MAJOR 6:118 RAMIE 6:119 FACT 6:120 MAKE 6:121 HARVEST 6:122 RAIN 6:123 MALT 6:124 PRIVATE 6:125 TON (TONGA) 6:126 CYBER 6:127 LKA (SRI-LANKA) 6:128 MAX 6:129 MWI (MALAWI) 6:130 NZ (NEW-ZEALAND) 6:131 MARKET 6:132 FJ (FIJI) If you work upwards and downwards looking for another 2-letter TLD you would find LK for SRI-LANKA and FJ for FIJI. Since there is only one seat between .NZ and .FJ you might want to locate the people backing the .MARKET TLD. This would complete that part of the neighbor net (or ring). >From there, you have more work to do or opportunity at the top of the list. Some of those TLDs might be easy to fill in and some may not. Again, as your governance policies get worked out, you can change the names above for the slots. Maybe .OZ is desired, or some other name. Be creative...have a ball... ====== Here is what is stored in the DNS for 7:240 .ARTS. Note that you have to look-up s240.g7 it is reversed. With this approach, we can scan the 2,048 combinations and figure out what TLD aliases are on each "seat". For example, in G6 we would look to your servers for S0.G6, S1.G6, S2.G6, ... S255.G6 to build the table of info for the TLDs. The TXT record has the TLD alias. The RP - Responsible Person record is used to point to a person's e-mail and web site. The other NS info provides typical nameserver delegation info for the TLD Name Servers. Adam Todd has been working on these sorts of delegations for the G6 region. He could delegate some to your name servers by delegating entries like S130.G6 for .NZ JF ==== ; <<>> DiG 2.1 <<>> s240.g7 any ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 5, Auth: 2, Addit: 1 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; s240.g7, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: s240.g7. 172800 SOA ns.unety.net. hostmaster.unety.net. ( 1998050506 ; serial 172800 ; refresh (2 days) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 1728000 ; expire (20 days) 172800 ) ; minimum (2 days) s240.g7. 172800 NS skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 NS ns.skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 TXT "ALIAS: ARTS" s240.g7. 172800 RP jnh.skyscape.net. www.skyscape.net. ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: s240.g7. 172800 NS skyscape.net. s240.g7. 172800 NS ns.skyscape.net. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: skyscape.net. 148245 A 207.107.232.3 ;; Total query time: 23 msec ;; FROM: doorstep.unety.net to SERVER: default -- 207.32.128.1 ;; WHEN: Sun May 17 20:30:26 1998 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 25 rcvd: 216 ======================================================= SUMMARY: 1. Build a Virtual Auditorium to Hold All of the TLD Delegates 2. Draw Those Delegates from Trusteeships for Each TLD 3. Encourage the Decision Making to Happen in the Neighborhoods - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 26 14:36:46 MET DST 1998 ---------

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DNS: The "Common Sense Concept"
by dnsmaster＠nicwine.net 26 May '98

26 May '98

We are beginning to work similarly on the G3 (Europe) Zone, with AURSC. Whoever "owns" a TLD in this zone can contact us at dnsmaster at nicwine.net --- Jean-Christophe PRAUD - LUDEXPRESS Nicwine : http://www.nicwine.net Jim Fleming wrote: > > > In my opinion, this concept is the right one and should be labeled the > "Common Sense Concept" <http://www.columbia.edu/acis/bartleby/paine/> > as opposed to some replacement for a particular group's proposal. > The Common Sense Concept is compatible with the approach that I > have been suggesting for a long time. Here are the major components > that I feel are needed to make it work: > > 1. A Structured Root Built Around TLDs > 2. A 2+2+4 Trustee Structure to Provide Stewardship for the TLDs > 3. Neighbor Net Strategies of Self-Governance > > The following data file is used to illustrate the examples: > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt > -------- Logged at Wed May 27 01:50:48 MET DST 1998 ---------

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FW: Internet Governance and IANA
by JimFleming＠unety.net 26 May '98

26 May '98

---------- From: Daniel Karrenberg[SMTP:Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 1998 5:24 AM To: RIPE Local Internet Registries WG Subject: Internet Governance and IANA ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 08:35:19 -0700 From: postel at ISI.EDU To: Daniel.Karrenberg at ripe.net Subject: Re: governance An update from the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). IANA is continuing to provide the neutral, central coordinating functions for the global Internet. As we await the United States government's final statement on the "Improvement of Technical Management of Internet Names and Addresses" (also known as the "Green Paper"), we are in the process of reorganizing and restructuring the IANA organization. This process will create an independent, not-for-profit corporation. The new IANA will establish separate offices from the University of Southern California and its Information Sciences Institute, where IANA is now located. We are selecting legal representation and preparing initial bylaws and articles of incorporation. The bylaws are being constructed to allow for international representation on the board of directors by address registries, domain name registries and registrars, protocol organizations, and the user/industry community. Since the deadline for having this organized may not permit a fully representative board to be in place initially, we expect to create a transitional board who will then conduct a process to establish the first fully functioning board with world-wide representation of all constituencies. In the spirit of community self-governance, we welcome your advice and suggestions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------- End of Forwarded Message -------- Logged at Tue May 26 19:03:10 MET DST 1998 ---------

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An Affordable Solution
by JimFleming＠unety.net 22 May '98

22 May '98

This should be pocket change for all of the 80+ CORE members the ITU, the ISOC, the IANA, ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE... @@@@ http://www.aspeninst.org/dir/polpro/CSP/IPF/projdesc.html "In February 1998, a group of 23 participants met to outline the first steps the Project must take ..." "The Internet Policy Project is seeking charter members, at a funding level of $25,000 annually." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ...even some individuals should be able to afford this. :-) - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Fri May 22 13:54:04 MET DST 1998 ---------

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Making Your Voice Heard
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 11:52 AM, Berislav Todorovic[SMTP:BERI at etf.bg.ac.yu] wrote: <snip> @representatives. A single letter, signed by one person per country might @make much higher noise than some "isolated islands" of messages, written by @a few of us. Besides, like that - we can save time and energy! @ I am surprised that you did not select the vacation option in Stockholm, Sweden this week. :-) http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/attend.html In the long run, using the Internet is more effective. Eventually, people are going to get tired of flying on airplanes around the world to meet the same people that they could have met via the Internet. The Internet saves "time and energy"... - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 17:03:43 MET DST 1998 ---------

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A Man of Knowledge
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 1:33 PM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: @On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: <snip> @ @I take that back. I should have said that it is my studied opinion that @Jim Fleming is not _entirely_ demented, but is a paid agent provocateur @of the U.S. telco industry... @ Have you become a "Man of Knowledge" Michael ? @@@ ftp://ftp.earth.com/pub/archive/cc/castaneda-overview Carlos Castaneda Overview ========================= Version: 0.7 Last-Updated: Mon Jan 19 01:19:27 MST 1998 Email additions or changes to <sanders at earth.com> ... "Man of Knowledge A warrior who has become a sorcerer and who "sees" and "knows". The ultimate state of being, in total control over your being." ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 11:31:08 MET DST 1998 ---------

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IPv8 and ATM
by JimFleming＠unety.net 19 May '98

19 May '98

On Monday, May 18, 1998 1:33 PM, Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael at memra.com] wrote: @On Mon, 18 May 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @> @It is my studied opinion that Jim Fleming is not demented, @ @> and IETF members to attack me and my family personally. I must @> say this is encouraging. Maybe I should ask Don Heath if I should @> still be concerned about his friends killing my parents with fire axes. @ @I take that back. I should have said that it is my studied opinion that @Jim Fleming is not _entirely_ demented, but is a paid agent provocateur @of the U.S. telco industry... @ @Obviously the man acts demented some of the time but I urge people to @be aware that he can be quite lucid when he wants to be and he should not @be dismissed as a simple lunatic. Don't let him manipulate you into @working on his agenda. If you are in government, take the time to seek out @opposing opinions so that you have something to weigh Fleming's statements @against. And if you are in the Internet industry, take the time to do some @work in the political arena because if you don't the telco monopolies will @rig the game in their favor as they have in the past. @ @-- @Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting @Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael at memra.com @http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website* @ @ Michael, Can review the posting below with everyone ? What does this mean ?..."If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc." What does this mean ?..."Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego." What does this mean ?..."If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over." What does this mean ?..."the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway" What does this mean ?..."use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking" ========================================================== From: michael at memra.com (Michael Dillon) Subject: Re: Nagualism vs. Otherisms Date: 17 Oct 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <5476pq$gu3 at sidhe.memra.com> references: <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk> organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting - http://www.memra.com newsgroups: alt.dreams.castaneda In article <199610171345.OAA00577 at gateway1.sema.co.uk>, <Gordon.Morrison at mail.sema.co.uk> wrote: > >Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of a list of quotes by dJ, dG, CC >et al. which might help to convice someone with a strong Tonal that >Nagualism is NOT devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc.? If this person has a strong tonal then nagualism *IS* devil-worship/witchcraft/evil/etc. >You know the kind of stuff I mean - all the fundamental premises/beliefs of >the Warrior's way: quotes about paths with heart, impeccability, having to >believe, sorcery-is-a-dead-end-street etc. You should re-read all the books and collect this set of quotes yourself. Then publish it on the web. It won't convert fundamentalist Christians but it may be very useful as an introduction for those who find the books a bit intimidating. >but they've read snippets of stuff out of context and jumped to >their own conclusions. I just want a neat package containing the basics >presented *in context*.) Just feed them a good line about evil being the creation of the ego and nagualism is an attempt to move beyond the ego to see the world as it truly is, an emanation of the one God. Remind them that even Lucifer is nothing more than a fallen angel who has lost his way from the light. If you do this well, you will start out by bullshitting but then feel the intent of the spirit take over. At this point you will likely be amazed at how well you explain this stuff and will probably learn a thing or two. This, of course, assumes that you have enough energy to make your will the Eagle's will, or, to put it another way, assumes you have enough grace to let God's will be done through you. Funny how the choice of words can make two similar things seem miles apart, isn't it? BTW, the warrior gives it his best shot and if he fails, he fails, but he doesn't give a damn anyway. So don't be disppointed if this person doesn't hear a thing you say. If you have a hard time letting go of such a failure then use the opportunity for some not-doing and stalking. Let this person convert you to their religion, join their church, go to the meetings, go through the motions. You will no doubt encounter one or more small-fry petty tyrants in the process. Stalk them but always remember that when Don Juan stalked the foreman he never let the lady of the house suspect that he was anything other than what he pretended to be. -- Michael Dillon - ISP & Internet Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael at memra.com ========================================================= - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM -------- Logged at Tue May 19 05:45:20 MET DST 1998 ---------

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