January 1998 - tld-wg - mailman.ripe.net

New Document available: RIPE-177
by ncc＠ripe.net 23 Jan '98

23 Jan '98

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-177 Title: RIPE CENTR Proposal Author: Paul Ridley Date: 23 January 1998 Format: PS=105584 TXT=21000 Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: Short content description ------------------------- This document is a proposal for the setting up of RIPE CENTR. The document outlines the goals and structure of the future organisation and describes a transition plan. This plan proposes that RIPE CENTR initially starts as a RIPE NCC project, before it eventually be spun off as a seperate legal entity. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- The RIPE document store is available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-177.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-177.txt plain text version You can also access the RIPE documents in HTML format via WWW. RIPE-177 is available from the WWW , at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-177.html Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server at ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text. -------- Logged at Fri Jan 23 16:02:27 MET 1998 ---------

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Documentation suggestions (was: RIPE 29: reminder)
by hank＠ibm.net.il 22 Jan '98

22 Jan '98

At 05:40 PM 1/22/98 +0100, Marcel Schneider wrote: >... >> How would the RIPE CENTR be any benefit from a legal standpoint? Someone >> will come forward and say "What gov't or treaty organization granted you >> authority?" RIPE CENTR would say IANA and we are back to square one. If >> IANA can attain some legal status that would help us. > >Sure. Have no doubts that IANA is aware of this fact. We have been >informed to hear more about it at the forthcoming RIPE meeting (by >RIPE staff involved in negotiations with IANA). > >> I have scanned most >> english rules for domains in Europe. Only Finland has its rules according >> to the gov't. All the rest are NICs and academic organizations that put >> together rules (there may be others that will have gov't legalized rules in >> the future - but so far only Finland has taken that step - and they even >> mention IANA!) > >> If the RIPE CENTR is to be of any benefit it first has to have some major >> legal standing and not just our consensus (meaning those on this list). > >CORE seems to have found an answer. You know it better than me if it >actually is one :). If yes, why not clone it ? Sure. That is if Magaziner doesn't torpedo the whole thing and favor NSI (see latest Network World article on the issue). -Hank > >> -Hank > > >Marcel > > -------- Logged at Thu Jan 22 18:13:32 MET 1998 ---------

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inquiry on CENTR
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 22 Jan '98

22 Jan '98

> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:36:31 +0900 (KST) > From: Kilnam Chon <chon at cosmos.kaist.ac.kr> > Subject: Re: inquiry on CENTR > To: Niall.oReilly at ucd.ie > thank you for the reply. > > one more inquiry on "... issues raised in OECD survey" in TLD Administration BOF > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Minutes of 22 May 1997. > > do you have the copy of the OECD survey mentioned above? As far as I know, it's still in preparation. I expect information as to current status and likely publication date soon. I have had contact with one of the OECD officials involved, and understand that OECD member-state government representatives are involved in the development of the document. These have been asked to contact the nTLD registries in their countries to obtain or verify information for the report. In at least one case, this didn't happen because the representative of the member state in question was absent from the meeting where this request was made. Niall -------- Logged at Thu Jan 22 17:40:53 MET 1998 ---------

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22 Jan '98

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Proposed amendments to the TLD-WG Work Plan
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 22 Jan '98

22 Jan '98

Dear colleagues, I have the following suggestions for amendments to the TLD-WP WorkPlan (agenda item 5). Work-area "Documentation and alignment of practices" is identified as having high priority, but has no work-items. This is rather paradoxical. I expect we need to define some work in this area. This is for item 8. One work-area is concerned only with NSI. I expect this should be subsumed into one or more other areas, such as "IANA and stability of the DNS root". The work-area "Other" is too much like an after-thought. It is not prioritized. The area could simply be dropped. Alternatively, the work-items could be re-allocated to the work-area "Documentation and Alignment of Practices". Niall O'Reilly -------- Logged at Thu Jan 22 11:52:59 MET 1998 ---------

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nTLD participation in RIPE 29 -- latest confirmations
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 22 Jan '98

22 Jan '98

Between those already registered to attend and others who have let me know privately of their plans, I now expect the following nTLD's to be represented at RIPE 29: AT, CH, DE, ES, FR, IE, IT, LI, NL, NO, PT, RU, UK -- 13 so far. I look forward to finding a few more -- perhaps even from those already registered. I can see names from CZ, HU, PL, but I don't know whether they are representing their nTLD. Niall O'Reilly -------- Logged at Thu Jan 22 00:19:23 MET 1998 ---------

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Documentation suggestions (was: RIPE 29: reminder)
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 21 Jan '98

21 Jan '98

Thanks for the comments, Hank. I'm passing them to the list for a wider readership. It will be interesting for us all to know the outcome of the case you mention. Niall ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:33:09 +0200 From: Hank Nussbacher <hank at ibm.net.il> Subject: Re: RIPE 29: reminder To: Niall.oReilly at ucd.ie At 03:00 PM 1/20/98 +0000, you wrote: Do you have dates already in May so I can discuss with the rest of the board? I looked over the docs and have very few comments: - in the ntld doc you should mention rfc1591 and that iana and ntlds should work according to this rfc (in regards to transfer of ownership, etc.) - I think a set of docs need to be created by the ntld WG for any nTLD that is sued. IL has just been sued in the Supreme Court by a cybersquatter. An excellent resource used to be: http://www.digidem.com/legal/domain.html which compares many policies of ntlds - but we need to have something that continues to be maintained. When someone dislikes your authority in your country over your ntld - they will sue you and not iana. For that we need to be prepared. -Hank >> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:41:09 +0200 >> From: Hank Nussbacher <hank at ibm.net.il> >> Subject: Re: RIPE 29: reminder >> To: Niall.oReilly at ucd.ie > >> Too short notice to attend - perhaps the next meeting? > >Pity. Was this he first notice you had ? There were others, even >in December. If you've time, I'ld appreciate it if you could take a >look at the current documents and comment as you see fit. They're >on > >I look forward to seeing you at RIPE 30 in Stockholm in May. > >Best regards, > >Niall > > -------- Logged at Wed Jan 21 13:45:28 MET 1998 ---------

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RIPE 29: reminder
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 21 Jan '98

21 Jan '98

I've just re-checked the list of participants for RIPE 29, looking for representatives of nTLD registries. I can find only 6 nTLD registries represented, to wit: CH, LI, FR, IE, NL, UK. As the description of a participant's organisation doesn't always make it clear to me whether s/he represents an nTLD, I may have missed some. If so, I'ld welcome corrections. The TLD Working Group is specifically intended to support nTLD registries (see http://www.ripe.net/wg/tld/tld-tor.html). The more nTLD registries who can participate in this working group, the more effective and useful will be its work. If you haven't registered, there is still time to do so. I hope to see as many of you as possible at the meeting. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly IE Domain Registry Chair, RIPE TLD-WG -------- Logged at Tue Jan 20 16:07:13 MET 1998 ---------

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Proposal for RIPE area n-TLD interaction with IANA
by Paul.Ridley＠ripe.net 14 Jan '98

14 Jan '98

Dear all, At the RIPE 28 meeting in Amsterdam in September 1997, a task force was asked to make a proposal for the interaction of the RIPe area n-tlds and IANA. This was as a result of concerns about the future of IANA, and the effect this may have on n-tlds. The task force has written this proposal, the draft version of which was given to IANA for use as input into their future planning. All tld-wg members and specifically all RIPe area n-tld administrators are encouraged to read and comment on this proposal. It can be found on the tld-wg web site at http://www.ripe.net/wg/tld/task-force/ripe-centr-1.1.html Regards Paul Ridley -------- Logged at Tue Jan 20 14:37:55 MET 1998 ---------

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FC: Larry Irving on domain names, censorship, regulation (fwd)
by W.Black＠nominet.org.uk 14 Jan '98

14 Jan '98

I don't usually forward POC mailings, since I'm never sure of their confidentiality status, but I think this makes quite interesting reading and looks like it's fairly public. W.B. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:43:39 -0500 From: Don Heath <heath at isoc.org> To: poc at gtld-mou.org Subject: FC: Larry Irving on domain names, censorship, regulation >>Received: from info.isoc.org (info [192.168.1.1]) by linus.isoc.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04398 for <heath at mailhub.isoc.org>; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:41:19 -0500 (EST) >X-Authentication-Warning: relay.pathfinder.com: Host [206.245.67.33] claimed to be pathfinderfw.twi.com >X-Sender: declan at mail.pathfinder.com >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:43:53 -0500 >To: politech at vorlon.mit.edu >From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com> >Subject: FC: Larry Irving on domain names, censorship, regulation >Sender: owner-politech at vorlon.mit.edu >Reply-To: declan at well.com >X-Loop: politech at vorlon.mit.edu >X-URL: Politech is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ > >============================================ >Excerpts from transcript of press conference >============================================ > >Larry Irving, Assistant Secretary of Commerce, NTIA >January 8, 1998 >Washington, DC > >[...] > >Q Larry, you mentioned electronic commerce, but can you >tell us your progress on the green paper to privatize the >domain name registration? > >MR. IRVING: As many of you know, to my great chagrin and >disappointment November 1st came and went without us >releasing our green paper. I generally don't give dates >that we are going to release something, unless I am >absolutely certain that we can release it. In this case we >failed, and I apologize to those folks who were expecting >it, and I particularly apologize to Congress, and want to >thank those members of Congress who have ben forbearing, >and to those members of Congress who have gone home, and >because they are home haven't bothered to call me to >castigate me for not getting my paper in on time. > >We are working very diligently, and to be honest we thought >it was more important to get it right than to get it in on >time. There have been a lot of people across industry who >have a lot of issues. And what we began to discover was >looking just at the issue of domain name wasn't sufficient; >you have to look at the entire - there's a - (inaudible) - >affecting Internet governance, and there are a lot of >issues involved here. And we are trying hard to come up >with a comprehensive consensus document that we can deliver >to Congress. I can't give you another date, but it will be >soon. And one of the reasons it will be soon, because I >promised it two months ago and have not delivered it. >Another reason it will be soon is Congress is coming back, >and I think some of those people who requested it will want >it on their desk at or about the time they come back and >Congress reconvenes. But we will have a comprehensive >approach. Ira Magaziner and members of my staff, Becky >Bird (sp) and others, have done yeo person's work, or >yeoman's work - I'm not sure which is the non-sexist term - >but have worked diligently to come up with a product. >They've met with literally hundreds of people and/or read >thousands of pages of documents to get this right. And we >are committed to getting to the public and to the Congress >as good a report as we can. Anything we get is going to >have some critics, but we do think we can get a better >report by taking a little more time, being a little more >careful and talking to a few more people. > > >[...] > >Q If you abandon control of the Internet, or try to >minimize government regulations on the Internet, what >happens when you discover down the road perhaps - and let's >say perhaps dominating of the Internet by a few contract >providers - perhaps - (off mike) - how do you recover - >(off mike)? > >MR. IRVING: I think it is better to monitor and see if a >mistake is made then to start to regulate and assuredly >make some mistakes. > >Q Fair enough. What do you do once a mistake is made? > >MR. IRVING: You try to correct them. > >Q To minimize government regulation? > >MR. IRVING: We would - even if there are mistakes made, we >will try to correct those mistakes with minimal government >involvement. > >Q What tools do you have? > >MR. IRVING: You have all the tools you already have. You >have regulatory authority, you have litigation, you have >legislation. There is nothing - there is nothing that I >can't do prophylactically upfront that we couldn't do as a >government after the fact; but at least we'd know what the >issue is. Right now we'd be trying to - you know, it's >like trying to find a needle in the dark, in a 10,000 >square foot room. What problem am I trying to solve? And >right now we don't know. > >You know, nobody knew - none of us in this room would have >said in 1993 that in 1998 one trillion e-mails would be >transmitted around the globe. That's what happened last >year: one trillion - one trillion e-mails, according to >Financial Times, were transmitted around the globe. What >if I tried to do something to regulate e-mail based on what >I knew e-mail was going to be in 1993? I would have been >completely wrong, because I had no clue that there would be >one trillion e-mails in 1993. Did any of us know in 1996 >that real video would be a tool that people would be using >around the country, that you could watch the Rolling Stones >concert or pull up video - watch Savion Glover do a tap >dance recital on the Internet. Did any of us know that? >I didn't know in 1996 that in 1997 I could do that. I'd be >trying to regulate something I had no clue as to how it is >going to progress, and I might be stifling the progress. I >don't think that's good policy; more importantly, the >president and vice president don't think that's good >policy; Secretary Daley doesn't think that's good policy. >Let this thing grow at the rate it should grow as opposed >to. > >Internet telephony - 1995, 1994, who of you writing about >Internet telephony and talking about it as a real central >competitor, reducing prices and increasing opportunity for >entrepreneurs and for consumers? Have you thought - and >there were those calling to regulate Internet telephony. >The investments made would not have been made had we >started doing something when we were requested to with >regard to Internet telephony. We come down - I feel >strongly we have come down on the right side of this >debate. And I think that the people who are making >investments and who are building this industry, building >this economy, building this technology, feel strongly that >we should keep a relatively hands-off approach. That >doesn't mean we don't have guiding precepts. That doesn't >mean we are ignoring what's happening. It does mean we are >trying not to get in the way of a great success story >globally. > >[...] > >Q Larry, do you think that the present deregulatory >policy carved out for the Internet will hold insofar as >Internet service providers can withdraw from the universal >service - (off mike)? And then there's a growing debate >between federal policymakers and mayor and governors, both >that you met with and talked with, about taxation. That >issue won't go away, and it all gets to, you know, if and >how the Internet gets regulated. Is it always going to be a >hand-off approach, or will that just not hold and - (off >mike)? > >MR. IRVING: We're going to try to be as hands-off as >possible. The Internet, again, we have said this, and we >are going to continue to, the Internet has grown - has >rapidly grown precisely because of a lack of government >involvement in its regulation, in its structure, in its >future. And we are going to continue to try to make sure >that this is private sector-led. As frightening as some >people - as frightened as some people are of state and >local involvement - and the tax issue is an issue that I >think is resolvable. I mean, there is a way to resolve >that. And when you talk to people it's at the margins, but >there are ways to resolve that. > >I'm more concerned about the international implications for >regulation. I am very concerned that there are people >around the world - you know, in the United States and >Washington we are not scared of the Internet - we think >it's a good thing. We want the entrepreneurs to go out >there, we want them to build it. As you go around the >country there are people who are scared about the Internet, >and there are people who say that there should be >international governing bodies of the Internet. We don't >want that, and we are going to have to - you know, we are >going to have to make sure that people in Brussels, and >people in Geneva, and people in Paris, and people in >various capitals of the world don't get involved in >governing the Internet. There is, however, in industry and >among most of the nations that use the Internet, a >consensus that the Internet should be private sector-led, >developed, and industry should have development. There are >issues such as indecency, where there has to be some >government involvement to make sure things like parents >know where the good stuff on the Internet is - parents are >given the tools to protect their children from bad things >on the Internet. > >They agree within the Department of Justice and (IFPS ?) is >one instance where working with the government we can try >to find ways that children don't have access to things that >are inappropriate in it. Those are positive things that >have to happen. > >With regards to censorship or developing guidelines to how >the Internet - (inaudible) - to go - we don't want that. >With regard to domain name system, we don't want that. >With regard to privacy, we have said repeatedly, >consistently, we need the private sector to step up to the >plate and come up with comprehensive plans to ensure >protection of privacy of users of the Internet. Those >things I think are consistent and we can continue. > >With regard to access charge and other fees charged by >Internet service providers, we have been very careful to >say that as this industry is a nascent industry they should >not at this time be charged those kinds of fees. We've >also said we should continue to monitor and look at the >debate. There is a difference between whether or not an >economic entity should be treated the same as other >economic entities in terms of some kind of a fee structure, >and saying that we want to govern that entity. We do not >want to govern the Internet. We in Washington - and we are >going to work diligently - we are going to fight any effort >by others around the globe to start regulating the >Internet. > >[...] > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology >To subscribe: send a message to majordomo at vorlon.mit.edu with this text: >subscribe politech >More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > See you at INET'98, Geneva 21-24, July 98 <http://www.isoc.org/inet98/> -------- Logged at Wed Jan 14 13:42:13 MET 1998 ---------

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