Hi, If you haven't yet booked your return travel from Amsterdam for RIPE 65, and are interested in participating in such things, it may be worth noting that there will be an "interim" meeting of the IETF's sidr (Secure Inter-Domain Routing) working group at the same venue on September 29th, i.e. the day after the RIPE meeting finishes. This will be part of a Large Interim Meeting where several other working groups will also be present (although don't ask me which ones). Best regards, Rob