Fwd: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Dear colleagues, I'd like to inform you of an experiment we propose doing together with ARIN about the routability of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block. For more details see ARIN's announcement below. If people have any feedback on this, please let us know. We plan to publish the results on RIPE Labs. Kind regards, Emile Aben RIPE NCC
From: ARIN <info@arin.net> Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation Date: 4 Aug 2014 19:18:13 GMT+2 To: arin-consult@arin.net
ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
* This experiment will provide the global community with insight on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and reachable on the global Internet.
* A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult@arin.net.
This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1 September 2014.
Regards,
Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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Hi Emile, can you provide a little feedback, why the NCC is doing (or leading) the experiment, while the address block to be used is from the ARIN Region and the comments were solicited to go to ARIN-consult? Please note, that I do not have any objection at the moment, my question is pure curiosity. Thanks, Wilfried. Emile Aben wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I'd like to inform you of an experiment we propose doing together with ARIN about the routability of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block. For more details see ARIN's announcement below.
If people have any feedback on this, please let us know.
We plan to publish the results on RIPE Labs.
Kind regards,
Emile Aben RIPE NCC
From: ARIN <info@arin.net> Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation Date: 4 Aug 2014 19:18:13 GMT+2 To: arin-consult@arin.net
ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
* This experiment will provide the global community with insight on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and reachable on the global Internet.
* A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult@arin.net.
This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1 September 2014.
Regards,
Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
_______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net if you experience any issues.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 05/08/14 12:46, Wilfried Woeber wrote:
Hi Emile,
can you provide a little feedback, why the NCC is doing (or leading) the experiment, while the address block to be used is from the ARIN Region and the comments were solicited to go to ARIN-consult?
We do have infrastructure in place for this, like the routing information system RIS that has been used for similar things (think debogonising for instance) and RIPE Labs. I hope that answers your question. cheers, Emile
Please note, that I do not have any objection at the moment, my question is pure curiosity.
Thanks, Wilfried.
Emile Aben wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I'd like to inform you of an experiment we propose doing together with ARIN about the routability of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block. For more details see ARIN's announcement below.
If people have any feedback on this, please let us know.
We plan to publish the results on RIPE Labs.
Kind regards,
Emile Aben RIPE NCC
From: ARIN <info@arin.net> Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on New Experimental Allocation Date: 4 Aug 2014 19:18:13 GMT+2 To: arin-consult@arin.net
ARIN is soliciting community input on a proposed experiment that will require the temporary use of space from 23.128.0.0/10, the IPv4 addresses reserved to facilitate IPv6 deployment. (see NRPM policy 4.10 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 )
There has been much discussion on the NANOG mailing list about the usability / routability of prefixes longer than a /24. In order to try to provide some additional data on this topic, the RIPE NCC has requested a small block of address space from the reserved /10 in order to run the following experiment:
RIPE Routing Information System (RIS) plans to announce a few blocks of sizes /24 to /28 (no more then ten at a time) out of the 23.128/10. They will monitor how this address space propagates in BGP and its reachability.
* This experiment will provide the global community with insight on whether prefixes longer than a /24 from 23.128/10 are useable and reachable on the global Internet.
* A description of this experiment, as well as the results of this research, will be published on https://labs.ripe.net/ . Additionally, ARIN will provide a link to the RIPE Labs page, as well as the end date of this experiment in the public Whois record of this registration.
Do you support the use of this reserved space for this experiment or not, and why? Please provide comments to arin-consult@arin.net.
This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM EDT on Monday, 1 September 2014.
Regards,
Leslie Nobile Director of Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
_______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net if you experience any issues.
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On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:38:17PM +0200, Emile Aben wrote:
I'd like to inform you of an experiment we propose doing together with ARIN about the routability of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block. For more details see ARIN's announcement below.
If people have any feedback on this, please let us know.
I recommend testing with and without proper route: objects for the small prefixes. As a service provider I would accept smaller than /24... If and only if there is an exact route object for the prefix, other providers just discard anything smaller than a /24, regardless of the existance of proper route objects. Would be good to quantify this. Kind regards, Job
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/14 12:51, Job Snijders wrote:
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:38:17PM +0200, Emile Aben wrote:
I'd like to inform you of an experiment we propose doing together with ARIN about the routability of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block. For more details see ARIN's announcement below.
If people have any feedback on this, please let us know.
I recommend testing with and without proper route: objects for the small prefixes.
As a service provider I would accept smaller than /24... If and only if there is an exact route object for the prefix, other providers just discard anything smaller than a /24, regardless of the existance of proper route objects. Would be good to quantify this.
We plan to start announcing a couple of prefixes from AS12654 within the next hour for the purpose of reachability checking of prefixes longer than /24 out of ARINs 23.128.0.0/10 block: With route object: prefix pingable IP 23.128.24.0/24 23.128.24.1 23.128.25.0/25 23.128.25.1 23.128.25.240/28 23.128.25.241 Without route object: prefix pingable IP 23.128.124.0/24 23.128.124.1 23.128.125.0/25 23.128.125.1 23.128.125.240/28 23.128.125.241 best regards, Emile Aben RIPE NCC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJULRhIAAoJEKxthF6wloMOuR4QAJys9r18hwmu8DsF2nr6mCje wjYoKcJP/AAl0vQpQLMhR70D9b9v5XQArcMyvzoXRqcFYTfz5yAy9rsOD1pWOE8r dz/XmTzp45fmTRBMbCgQNVA4FLhv0Iq9Qx2eVSWhgLGSTNRNM9oGUTOVvzaIZ551 hx0+dbexz6AO9LlHeeam+rulHsIrsXXeMHhuLz1yU/MkW+MEyadJPQqLpMjIvCBs 4ENPDe358J4SQVMi7Ur55mXaF8vCJ4lP9CXCzcSvEa+S+iuoN9+xrDC6+QPHPj8k 1ZWiSN903ESQBcTG+uX69GH0qHCD/ADYswL705GEayRhXh0VlCdUwkfBCZdYKRn/ KB5hvJ+xkXIA+2mlBJYuJDWs3WB9xZ4ijID6hEbyqfiX1TqNQy0qPPS5HWrkeZg6 UCVBDFvZnn39z7BOSNLvf3bSc1VWK2AikS+6pzyyd8i4Pdk7GVPxFnsHdfEwkRJz n7h0Vjn7MOrnS6Fy29dJ1E+HC3PlN+W1hE9j4vO3sGrKHEc9tIW9MZ8Wg35qKi5c oUp9wylYhkjl3YKHxtc4bUXwzQqdYa7sxXPKIX5yfYLa+0mIdnQgWqK2Rzd+/rAa JfNPCrgJkxUrd8Gut6OkaV5EhgojYfvrGe3qfZj9OvhG4SQcDjbTW24rdySjtMJS mADNKNND94MRp43ehre3 =bh0Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear colleagues, We've published a RIPE Labs article with initial analysis results of announcing longer-than-/24 IPv4 prefixes: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/propagation-of-longer-than-24-ipv4-p... Spoiler: the longer-than-/24 prefixes are not very visible/reachable. Having route-objects improves visibility/reachability, but only a little bit. cheers, Emile Aben RIPE NCC -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUMqX3AAoJEKxthF6wloMOwOYP/jqpzNrLw2CjVQcQmL42+QqY QT2Dps5yKmQ5Sl/4QQuvmO+7/iexfcUsW/I8wmDwXqtr/m076urhifsIuxI6hzuK C7fwVga9kfmpri2LhyXIssxN5KtDsbsSVdoSqg6FCbtAlh1TpNqG9k1BDOEffRU8 cAtGs3fEU1ln++nRtmsXZMNkai/JNqZ/y1Xc8Cs8+5xX/ItQq8aQURsa+23AH2LP /uNzkQ2dU3tESVSu/7+qCzttXqmmwVTpxjHbDcgyW/B7hUy2paBBlOQ2jRUmcPZG YBWQXfkAOq9DDBjEMeHBKKgxRdm1Y47A7L4h4HFVPp67tM+aK6H4xagkvq1B/shn KSMR11fNZlIxmhpiKeDY8/GUoG3uUlggor0u3gWXvs8JaMo61QDOqZm+LOaxj2b4 YYjiLiykw2MnsvMcZ6aX75NIYmFje2jXtGxiTNMl3w8C1y7wHwRg1FiW/vfz2B4b /xhIvB/byAn+YEk4aytBs8s9QarvCvqUY4+mtss2N76Yc7RzVoIrGcHlBPINiJP5 yp7eH1FKSU54l5eKIWeiFC4ulu4FIhg9RPG06YfC3Cwu7Y9AtR1XPkO8VOr5hTji 4+Ku7X9wAbIaAEntGoJ9r79NU5/jo1njvs7bNwnBWNQ0Qu23sPCTJPLL6kuPSQ8A 3oZo7ZWRzIEkIiGCyfO2 =zRhJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Emile Aben -
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Wilfried Woeber