[henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
Hi guys, To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough? Arife ----- Forwarded message from "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" <henk@ripe.net> ----- From: "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" <henk@ripe.net> To: Arife Vural <arife@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: ris-int@ripe.net On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote:
i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now.
That's great :-) OK, please let me know if you need anything from me.
I'd think that we have to prepare reconfiguration, shutdown @ MAE-W, shipping to PAIX etc. ourselves first, Henk
Arife
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote:
Hi guys,
To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough?
Changing the IP config is sufficient. Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ? --==-- Bruce.
To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough?
Changing the IP config is sufficient.
OK.
Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ?
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. Arife
--==-- Bruce.
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote:
To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough?
Changing the IP config is sufficient.
OK.
Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ?
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX.
Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the details now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root password to something safe). --==-- Bruce.
Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the details now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root password to something safe).
OK, when we come to that stage, I'll arrange those with you guys. Arife
--==-- Bruce.
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX.
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed? Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell Sent: 16 August 2004 12:50 To: Arife Vural Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; James Aldridge Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote:
To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough?
Changing the IP config is sufficient.
OK.
Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ?
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX.
Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the details now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root password to something safe).
--==-- Bruce.
Matthew Williams wrote:
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX.
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
What is now RRC12 was a new box installed in a new location. RRC08 is only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number only if you simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-) Cheers, Lorenzo -- --------------------------------------------------------- Lorenzo Colitti Ph.D student Computer Networks research group Roma Tre University colitti@dia.uniroma3.it +39-0655173215 ---------------------------------------------------------
only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number only if you simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-)
You're killing me :-D Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:colitti@dia.uniroma3.it] Sent: 16 August 2004 17:20 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ris-int@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
Matthew Williams wrote:
I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX.
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
What is now RRC12 was a new box installed in a new location. RRC08 is only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number only if you simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-)
Cheers, Lorenzo
-- --------------------------------------------------------- Lorenzo Colitti Ph.D student Computer Networks research group Roma Tre University colitti@dia.uniroma3.it +39-0655173215 ---------------------------------------------------------
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area. Arife
Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09: Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users. At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to convince me that they were right ;) Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area.
Arife
Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09:
Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users.
I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West.
At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to convince me that they were right ;)
:-) I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips to convince you :-) Arife
Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area.
Arife
I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West.
What about if they _don't_ get the message? Please, Arife... Forget about the dbase naming schema. If I download raw data from repository for rrc08, it should only contain data from peers at Mae-West. Nothing else. Anything else would be confusing to the user, who isn't going to keep track of when rrc08 was moved to another location. So we decommision rrc08 (only the name, not hw) at the Mae-West, move the hw to Paix as rrcwhatever. Now the user only needs to know that rrc08 data is from peers at the Mae-West, and rrcwhatever from peers at Paix. The hardware is the same, but the _purpose_ of the hw is completely different. Renaming the box makes that _very_ clear to the user. Ask James when he gets back from hols. I'm sure he'll agree :) Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 19:06 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09:
Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users.
I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West.
At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to
convince me
that they were right ;)
:-)
I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips to convince you :-)
Arife
Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area.
Arife
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Matthew Williams wrote:
I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West.
What about if they _don't_ get the message? Please, Arife... Forget about the dbase naming schema.
I agree: 08 is the collection point MAE-West, 14 will be the collection point at PAIX. They have nothing to do with eachother. Last time I checked, we still had enough integers to rename a machine. Henk
If I download raw data from repository for rrc08, it should only contain data from peers at Mae-West. Nothing else. Anything else would be confusing to the user, who isn't going to keep track of when rrc08 was moved to another location. So we decommision rrc08 (only the name, not hw) at the Mae-West, move the hw to Paix as rrcwhatever. Now the user only needs to know that rrc08 data is from peers at the Mae-West, and rrcwhatever from peers at Paix. The hardware is the same, but the _purpose_ of the hw is completely different. Renaming the box makes that _very_ clear to the user.
Ask James when he gets back from hols. I'm sure he'll agree :)
Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 19:06 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09:
Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users.
I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West.
At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to
convince me
that they were right ;)
:-)
I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips to convince you :-)
Arife
Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ops@ripe.net; ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed?
rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area.
Arife
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent).
We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James get back from vacation, I like to check with them. Arife
Sure, especially if you have time on your hands, however, I think you'll find that they'll agree with Henk, Rene, Lorenzo and myself. Cheers, Matthew
-----Original Message----- From: ris-int-admin@ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Arife Vural Sent: 17 August 2004 00:27 To: Matthew Williams Cc: ris-int@ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX]
We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James get back from vacation, I like to check with them.
Arife
participants (5)
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Arife Vural -
Bruce Campbell -
Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC) -
Lorenzo Colitti -
Matthew Williams