Dear All,
3. Lorenzo discussed the issue with people at RIS. There was an agreement to use 84.205.73.0/24 and 84.205.89.0/24, originated in AS12654, for the experiments.
4. Around Feb 20 Lorenzo prepared an e-mail to be sent to a couple of mailing lists announcing the experiments. The e-mail was explicitely approved by, at least, Henk, Arife, Shane.
When I approved the mail, I did not realize (anymore) that the experiment would involve other AS# than 12654. Whether this is because Lorenzo didn't tell me, I didn't hear it, I forgot or whatever, I do not know. Fact is, shortly after the mail, people started sending mails objecting to using their AS# for this experiment.
9. Henk decided to stop the experiments. I fully agree with the decision. I do not agree with the contents of the e-mail that was sent at nanog.
I was doing my mail on Thursday morning and saw dozens of mails with negative comments, including a couple of private ones, and a discussion that was rapidly getting out of hand. Lorenzo was not reachable at that time. So, I decided to stop this experiment and send a mail to the lists about this, before any more harm was done.
In my opinion the e-mail put in a bad light Lorenzo, CNRG, and RIS: - Lorenzo was presented as an "overenthusiastic student" that behaves irresponsibly. This is clearly not true (see above).
I only said overenthousiastic. I do not think that he behaved irresponsible. The experiment was carefully thought out and will not do any damage, the only problem was in the presentation of the experiment and the fact that we're using other people's resources without informing them (and giving them a chance to opt-out). I believe that we did the best we could to control the damage by cancelling the experiment as soon as things appeared to go out of control. Yes, this did not give the best impression for CNRG and RIPE NCC, but I believe letting this discussion continue for a few more hours, would have caused more damage. I might be wrong. Finally, I think we can discuss this forever, but I doubt that much good will come out of it. What we should learn from this, is that we should think twice when announcing a new experiment and not use other people's resources without their permission. I hope that CNRG and RIS can go back to work on BGP, Kind regards, Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine)