Sander's resignation from the ASO AC
Dear all, I confirm that the ASO AC<https://aso.icann.org/> has recently received the formal resignation from Sander Steffann and has taken note of it. The Council is now comprised of 11 members (out of the 15 initial ones: there are currently no representatives from the AfriNIC region). Our Operational Procedures<https://aso.icann.org/documents/operational-documents/operating-procedures-of-the-address-council-of-the-address-supporting-organization/> had been amended last November and the ASO AC is able to fulfil its functions with the remaining councilors. Constanze and I will be happy to present the Council activities during our next RIPE meeting in Krakow, and answer your questions. Looking forward to seeing you very soon (in-person or remotely). Best regards Hervé ASO AC Chair ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you.
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 7:39 AM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi everybody!
I got some questions about this, so let me explain.
Me having to resign from the NRO-NC / ASO-AC is because I am running for the RIPE NCC Executive Board later this month. To be eligible as a candidate I have to sign a statement that includes things like committing to follow the code of conduct, declaring that I never committed fraud etc. All good. But it also includes a statement (4.7) where I have to declare that I am not a member of the ASO AC.
So, even to run for the board, I had to resign.
This seems… unfortunate. I can understand why it would be a conflict for someone to serve in both of these roles *at the same time*, but it seems perfectly reasonable for someone in a position like your to declare that, if elected, they would step down from the ASO. I did have a look to see if I could figure out what the history of this is, but wasn't able to. Do we know if this was simply a corner case which was overlooked, or was there discussion (e.g preventing disruption, not wanting a small cohort of people swapping roles, preventing weird gaming, etc)? W Independent of the actual outcome. So here we are…
This has put me in an awkward position. The ASO AC is working in very important things right now, and I feel that I’m making a contribution there, but I’m forced to resign. Therefore, I have promised the ASO AC that I will stay involved as an observer (the meetings of the ASO AC are public! Please make use of that!) and that I’ll stay active as a volunteer/advisor/whatever they need.
And if I don’t get elected, I will definitely run for the ASO AC again!
Cheers, Sander Steffann
--- for every complex problem, there’s a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong
Op 6 mei 2024 om 08:57 heeft herve.clement@orange.com het volgende geschreven:
Dear all,
I confirm that the ASO AC <https://aso.icann.org/> has recently received the formal resignation from Sander Steffann and has taken note of it.
The Council is now comprised of 11 members (out of the 15 initial ones: there are currently no representatives from the AfriNIC region).
Our Operational Procedures <https://aso.icann.org/documents/operational-documents/operating-procedures-of-the-address-council-of-the-address-supporting-organization/> had been amended last November and the ASO AC is able to fulfil its functions with the remaining councilors.
Constanze and I will be happy to present the Council activities during our next RIPE meeting in Krakow, and answer your questions.
Looking forward to seeing you very soon (in-person or remotely).
Best regards
Hervé
ASO AC Chair
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Hi Warren!
So, even to run for the board, I had to resign.
This seems… unfortunate.
I can understand why it would be a conflict for someone to serve in both of these roles *at the same time*, but it seems perfectly reasonable for someone in a position like your to declare that, if elected, they would step down from the ASO.
I did have a look to see if I could figure out what the history of this is, but wasn't able to. Do we know if this was simply a corner case which was overlooked, or was there discussion (e.g preventing disruption, not wanting a small cohort of people swapping roles, preventing weird gaming, etc)?
I think it was a corner case that was overlooked, and it was just made consistent with the rules for multiple employees/partners/affiliates/etc of the same company being on the board (see section 4 of https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Candidate_Statement.docx_4.pdf). I talked to Athina, and she confirmed that it was written this way to avoid problems in case someone changes employment and suddenly wouldn’t be able to serve on the board anymore. The check is therefore a one-time declaration before the election rather than an ongoing requirement. (This technically also means that I can now run for my own ASO AC seat again :) Fun fact: no questions were asked about me being an Arbiter, which seems to be a stronger conflict than being an ASO AC member… I have already sent my “I’ll resign if elected” statement to the other Arbiters, but that wasn’t a requirement! I think the bylaws need to be tweaked a little bit for these edge cases. Cheers! Sander
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From: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Date: Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 09:26 To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Cc: RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ripe-list] Sander's resignation from the ASO AC [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 7:39 AM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl<mailto:sander@steffann.nl>> wrote: Hi everybody! I got some questions about this, so let me explain. Me having to resign from the NRO-NC / ASO-AC is because I am running for the RIPE NCC Executive Board later this month. To be eligible as a candidate I have to sign a statement that includes things like committing to follow the code of conduct, declaring that I never committed fraud etc. All good. But it also includes a statement (4.7) where I have to declare that I am not a member of the ASO AC. So, even to run for the board, I had to resign. This seems… unfortunate. I can understand why it would be a conflict for someone to serve in both of these roles *at the same time*, but it seems perfectly reasonable for someone in a position like your to declare that, if elected, they would step down from the ASO. I did have a look to see if I could figure out what the history of this is, but wasn't able to. Do we know if this was simply a corner case which was overlooked, or was there discussion (e.g preventing disruption, not wanting a small cohort of people swapping roles, preventing weird gaming, etc)? W Independent of the actual outcome. So here we are… This has put me in an awkward position. The ASO AC is working in very important things right now, and I feel that I’m making a contribution there, but I’m forced to resign. Therefore, I have promised the ASO AC that I will stay involved as an observer (the meetings of the ASO AC are public! Please make use of that!) and that I’ll stay active as a volunteer/advisor/whatever they need. And if I don’t get elected, I will definitely run for the ASO AC again! Cheers, Sander Steffann --- for every complex problem, there’s a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong Op 6 mei 2024 om 08:57 heeft herve.clement@orange.com<mailto:herve.clement@orange.com> het volgende geschreven: Dear all, I confirm that the ASO AC<https://aso.icann.org/> has recently received the formal resignation from Sander Steffann and has taken note of it. The Council is now comprised of 11 members (out of the 15 initial ones: there are currently no representatives from the AfriNIC region). Our Operational Procedures<https://aso.icann.org/documents/operational-documents/operating-procedures-of-the-address-council-of-the-address-supporting-organization/> had been amended last November and the ASO AC is able to fulfil its functions with the remaining councilors. Constanze and I will be happy to present the Council activities during our next RIPE meeting in Krakow, and answer your questions. Looking forward to seeing you very soon (in-person or remotely). Best regards Hervé ASO AC Chair ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. 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Hi Sander, Thanks for your services, support and commitment to the ASO AC. You will definitely be missed. Resigning from ASO AC even before selecting to the board is sort of a rigid approach. It would have been much better if the approach would be to resign in case of selection to the board. Thanks, Gaurav On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 7:57 PM Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi everybody!
I got some questions about this, so let me explain.
Me having to resign from the NRO-NC / ASO-AC is because I am running for the RIPE NCC Executive Board later this month. To be eligible as a candidate I have to sign a statement that includes things like committing to follow the code of conduct, declaring that I never committed fraud etc. All good. But it also includes a statement (4.7) where I have to declare that I am not a member of the ASO AC.
So, even to run for the board, I had to resign. Independent of the actual outcome. So here we are…
This has put me in an awkward position. The ASO AC is working in very important things right now, and I feel that I’m making a contribution there, but I’m forced to resign. Therefore, I have promised the ASO AC that I will stay involved as an observer (the meetings of the ASO AC are public! Please make use of that!) and that I’ll stay active as a volunteer/advisor/whatever they need.
And if I don’t get elected, I will definitely run for the ASO AC again!
Cheers, Sander Steffann
--- for every complex problem, there’s a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong
Op 6 mei 2024 om 08:57 heeft herve.clement@orange.com het volgende geschreven:
Dear all,
I confirm that the ASO AC has recently received the formal resignation from Sander Steffann and has taken note of it.
The Council is now comprised of 11 members (out of the 15 initial ones: there are currently no representatives from the AfriNIC region).
Our Operational Procedures had been amended last November and the ASO AC is able to fulfil its functions with the remaining councilors.
Constanze and I will be happy to present the Council activities during our next RIPE meeting in Krakow, and answer your questions.
Looking forward to seeing you very soon (in-person or remotely).
Best regards
Hervé
ASO AC Chair
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Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
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Warren Kumari