In message Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:29:30 GMT, "Harald.T.Alvestrand" <Harald.T.Alvestrand@UNINETT.NO> writes:
You are not alone in being surprised. The CERT meeting recently felt that the main problem in setting up a CERT/CC was finding the right organization to do it, and I think they meant finding an organization that all parties could feel comfortable with, not that there would be a shortage of volunteers.
For task such as this I make a number of arguable statements: * This is a task which is not restricted to the academic or commercial bodies, it effects everyone. As such whoever takes on the job must be able to deal with all relevant bodies and have their confidence. * Although I like competition, this is not an area which is suitable for more than one organisation to be involved. * The job is in the nature of a police force and must have a reasonable range of powers (although at this stage the range of powers needs some thought). As such one wonders whether some governmental organisation should take on the task. Perhapse the EU should take an interest. * I am not at all sure that this is an area where volunteers are needed. We need guaranteed action which suggests permanent staff although ideas and suggestions from the volunteer side would no doubt be welcome. * As this is a somwewhat legal area I wonder whether this should be funded from governments or through the EU. Funding through UKERNA, DFN, TERENA et al does not seem appropriate since they do not represent the commercial sector. It may be better funded (if government funding fails) through site membership from those who wish to take advantage of the service. Paul.
Is DANTE the right organization for the job?
Or (a more positive note) is DANTE the right organization to do the collection of money and subcontract the actual work to another organization taht all parties trust to do the (necessarily sensitive) coordination service right?
I keep the long CC list, but would like to see it shortened during the discussion...
Harald T. Alvestrand
Paul Bryant. Rutherford Lab, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, GB Tel. +44 235 445 267 Fax. +44 235 446 626
One aspect I have just thought of:- If a number of organisations fund DANTE and others refuse, Will DANTE still coordinate of those who refuse to pay? thus we have free-loaders... why would anyone then pay? OR Will DANTE refuse to coordinate those who refuse to pay thus REDUCE the level of co-operation in Europe? -----------------------MIME Messages Accepted---------------------- Peter Dawe, Director, Unipalm plc, Email: peter@unipalm.co.uk Managing Director, PIPEX Ltd Voice: +44(0)1223 250100 216 The Science Park, Milton Road Fax: +44(0)1223 250101 Cambridge, England, CB4 4WA WWW: http://www.pipex.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- Government Regulation? The minimum needed to maintain an open and free market for all! -------------------------------------------------------------------
One aspect I have just thought of:-
If a number of organisations fund DANTE and others refuse,
Will DANTE still coordinate of those who refuse to pay? thus we have free-loaders... why would anyone then pay?
OR
Will DANTE refuse to coordinate those who refuse to pay thus REDUCE the level of co-operation in Europe?
Why would anybody fund a competitor to provide this service? Sorry, but the only way to go is via a trusted, neutral organisation (Ripe, perhaps Terena). -IF- European level coordination is needed in the first place, of which I remain unconvinced. -- EUnet AG Simon Poole Zweierstrasse 35 Tel: +41 1 291 45 80 poole@eunet.ch CH-8004 Zuerich Fax: +41 1 291 46 42 S=poole;P=EUnet;A=EUnet;C=CH
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