Discussion on financial support for RIPE Chair
At the last Executive board meeting I took an action to start a discussion on the RIPE-list about the notion of remuneration for the RIPE Chair. We were fortunate that Rob B had an employer who didn't mind him devoting unlimited amounts of time to the RIPE community. Now that Rob is no longer with us we need to decide whether we wish to restrict the occupant of the RIPE Chair to being someone who works for such an employer or whether we wish for the community to financially support the occupant of the role. If we decide that we *do* wish them to be supported then the question arises of where this support is to come from. The RIPE Community does not exist as such; it has no financial resources so this question may touch on how we wish the community to evolve. I'm going to throw some ideas into the pool. I don't necessarily support any of these, but offer them as a starting point for discussion. 1. We legally constitute the RIPE community, enabling it to hold financial resources and raise income. 2. We restrict the RIPE chairmanship to those who can afford to support themselves (RIPE NCC would continue to pay expenses) 3. The RIPE NCC pays a salary to the RIPE Chair All of these possibilities have pros and cons, which you can probably work out for yourselves. I invite anyone with an opinion to join the debate. Try to keep your contributions concise and to the point. Try and remain courteous. If you have connected your ripe-list email contact to a trouble-ticket machine then I will call down my curses on your children and your children's children unto the seventh generation. Don't risk it... All the best Nigel Titley Chairman RIPE NCC Executive Board
Support Option 2. Option 1 could move RIPE Community to uncomfortable lands of formalized organization, with unspecific for responsibilities Community Option 3 might cause conflicts of interests, making RIPE Chair dependent on a bad will of NCC's board or management. Kind regards, Alexander Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Hi Nigel, Thanks for your email. I think there might also be a 4rd option where there is a bit more distance to the RIPE NCC and the said RIPE Chair. And that could be to appoint / employ him in the Rob Blokzijl foundation. There is already an agreed way of working between the 2 entities and the Board of the foundation is not in direct relation to the NCC. And having a functioning RIPE Chair in the future, is for the good of the internet, so it wouldn't even be a stretch of the foundations role. Or another option is to take a salary/payroll company with a fixed term contract on 5 years and have the Exec Board earmark its cost for each 5 years rolling forward in the activity plan. How we structure the actual role and its payment, is something we can sort out, I'm sure. Even with enough distance where needed. The bigger question to sort out imho, is if we want to do this.. and I have good faith in the Exec Board to execute that result in a way that it won't get any conflict of interest or other kind of dependence. Regards, Erik Bais On 19/02/2018, 15:51, "ripe-list on behalf of Nigel Titley" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of nigel@titley.com> wrote: At the last Executive board meeting I took an action to start a discussion on the RIPE-list about the notion of remuneration for the RIPE Chair. We were fortunate that Rob B had an employer who didn't mind him devoting unlimited amounts of time to the RIPE community. Now that Rob is no longer with us we need to decide whether we wish to restrict the occupant of the RIPE Chair to being someone who works for such an employer or whether we wish for the community to financially support the occupant of the role. If we decide that we *do* wish them to be supported then the question arises of where this support is to come from. The RIPE Community does not exist as such; it has no financial resources so this question may touch on how we wish the community to evolve. I'm going to throw some ideas into the pool. I don't necessarily support any of these, but offer them as a starting point for discussion. 1. We legally constitute the RIPE community, enabling it to hold financial resources and raise income. 2. We restrict the RIPE chairmanship to those who can afford to support themselves (RIPE NCC would continue to pay expenses) 3. The RIPE NCC pays a salary to the RIPE Chair All of these possibilities have pros and cons, which you can probably work out for yourselves. I invite anyone with an opinion to join the debate. Try to keep your contributions concise and to the point. Try and remain courteous. If you have connected your ripe-list email contact to a trouble-ticket machine then I will call down my curses on your children and your children's children unto the seventh generation. Don't risk it... All the best Nigel Titley Chairman RIPE NCC Executive Board
On 19/02/2018 16:51, Nigel Titley wrote: I vote for option 3. -Hank
At the last Executive board meeting I took an action to start a discussion on the RIPE-list about the notion of remuneration for the RIPE Chair.
We were fortunate that Rob B had an employer who didn't mind him devoting unlimited amounts of time to the RIPE community. Now that Rob is no longer with us we need to decide whether we wish to restrict the occupant of the RIPE Chair to being someone who works for such an employer or whether we wish for the community to financially support the occupant of the role.
If we decide that we *do* wish them to be supported then the question arises of where this support is to come from. The RIPE Community does not exist as such; it has no financial resources so this question may touch on how we wish the community to evolve.
I'm going to throw some ideas into the pool. I don't necessarily support any of these, but offer them as a starting point for discussion.
1. We legally constitute the RIPE community, enabling it to hold financial resources and raise income.
2. We restrict the RIPE chairmanship to those who can afford to support themselves (RIPE NCC would continue to pay expenses)
3. The RIPE NCC pays a salary to the RIPE Chair
All of these possibilities have pros and cons, which you can probably work out for yourselves.
I invite anyone with an opinion to join the debate. Try to keep your contributions concise and to the point. Try and remain courteous.
If you have connected your ripe-list email contact to a trouble-ticket machine then I will call down my curses on your children and your children's children unto the seventh generation. Don't risk it...
All the best
Nigel Titley Chairman RIPE NCC Executive Board
participants (4)
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Alexander Isavnin -
Erik Bais -
Hank Nussbacher -
Nigel Titley