Hi, We have got an offer for 3Com NETBuilder II routers. They seem to be quite cheap, but I do not have any experience with them. If you have such a router, could you please write me your experience with them, especially compared to CISCO router? Can it really support BGP 4 routing protocol and RFC877 encapsulation? Many thanks for your reply, Nandor Horvath
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Hi,
We have got an offer for 3Com NETBuilder II routers. They seem to be quite cheap, but I do not have any experience with them.
If you have such a router, could you please write me your experience with them, especially compared to CISCO router? Can it really support BGP 4 routing protocol and RFC877 encapsulation?
Many thanks for your reply, Nandor Horvath
I saw them once in Erlangen measurements results. They performed quite well, compared to Cisco. Probably Scott Bradner (Harvard) has/had them in his tests, I haven't seen any recent ones. I don't know about BGP4 and RFC877. One of our customers is using one as a simple IP router. PPP and RIP over serial link to SURFnet. Works fine. -Don
Nandor Horvath <horvath@sztaki.hu> writes: * * Hi, * * We have got an offer for 3Com NETBuilder II routers. They seem to be quite * cheap, but I do not have any experience with them. * * If you have such a router, could you please write me your experience * with them, especially compared to CISCO router? Can it really support * BGP 4 routing protocol and RFC877 encapsulation? * Although I haven't used one myself I know there are 3coms in use doing RFC877 (now revised as RFC1356) and they also have participated in the BGP4 trials and have a version of BGP4 that will talk to the cisco implementation (and others I guess, although not so far tested I beleive) *but* their implementation cannot generate aggregates as yet or least this is what I remember from the last BGPD meeting in Houston. I have no idea of performance issues, although there are I believe 3coms (not usre if are NETbuilder IIs though) within the SuperJANET network so perhaps they can help or comparability with a cisco sorry. * Many thanks for your reply, * Nandor Horvath Tony.
* We have got an offer for 3Com NETBuilder II routers. They seem to be quite * cheap, but I do not have any experience with them. * * If you have such a router, could you please write me your experience * with them, especially compared to CISCO router? Can it really support * BGP 4 routing protocol and RFC877 encapsulation? * Although I haven't used one myself I know there are 3coms in use doing RFC877 (now revised as RFC1356) and they also have participated in the BGP4 trials and have a version of BGP4 that will talk to the cisco implementation
There are a couple of NBII's on the JANET-IP service running RFC877 - they generally work OK though there have been some problems with tunnels not being cleared properly (between one of the 3Com's and a backbone cisco). The jury is still out on this one ... if you want more details you could try Malcolm Ray at the University of Westminster (malcolmr@westminster.ac.uk) We got a very early version of 3Com's BGP4 that seemed to have slipped in by mistake when we field tested their HSSI boards - we never got this going though to be fair we hardly tried very hard ! We were promised some months ago a 'working' copy of BGP4 - this hasn't materialised yet, though there is some confusion here as according to the salesmen BGP4 is out and shipping in v6.2 of their software as a full service product.
I have no idea of performance issues, although there are I believe 3coms (not usre if are NETbuilder IIs though) within the SuperJANET network so perhaps they can help or comparability with a cisco sorry.
A stack of NBII's should be delivered for SuperJANET next week. These will sit on the SMDS - performance tests on these (HSSI boards) showed no significant difference in performance between NBII's, ciscos (AGS+/4) and Wellfleet (BLN) - they were all capable of driving an E3 SMDS link (access class 4 - after overheads 25Mb/s) flat out (but so they should !). Hope this helps Kevin Hoadley, JIPS NOSC.
Tony, Nandor et al I have no direct experience on the capabilities of the 3Com Netbuilder II. However, there is a comparative review of the performance of some high-end routers in the December 1993 issue of "Data Communications". As I say, this covers only routing performance and doesn't deal with capabilities such as BGP4, header compression etc. Cheers. Mike
In message <199401070936.Il23032@sztaki.hu> horvath@sztaki.hu wrote: Hi, We have got an offer for 3Com NETBuilder II routers. They seem to be quite cheap, but I do not have any experience with them. ==>As far as I can remember people in Tchekia (univ of Plzen ?) use 3Com. I think they use OSPF. I suggest you ask Milan Sterba (Milan.Sterba@cse.cz) for more details Yves ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yves Devillers e-mail: Yves.Devillers@inria.fr Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et Automatique Phone: +33 1 39 63 55 96 INRIA, Centre de Rocquencourt Fax: +33 1 39 63 53 30 BP 105, 78153 Le Chesnay CEDEX Twx: 633 097 F France.
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