Re: [ripe-list] New Draft Document: RIPE NCC Staff Participation in the RIPE Community (Please review)
Hi Mirjam I also think one of the key points here is "RIPE NCC staff are part of the community and may participate in RIPE activities on the same terms as anyone else." I would specifically like this to cover RIPE NCC staff being full and active members of a Task Force. Recently staff have been left sitting on the sidelines as 'advisors' or doing 'administrative duties'. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 12:00, <ripe-list-request@ripe.net> wrote:
From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir@zu-hause.nl> To: RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> Cc: Mirjam Kuehne <chair@ripe.net> Bcc: Date: Thu, 04 May 2023 12:59:17 +0000 Subject: [ripe-list] New Draft Document: RIPE NCC Staff Participation in the RIPE Community (Please review) Dear colleagues,
In its final report [1], the 2020 RIPE Nominating Committee recommended to document a consensus on the relationship between RIPE and the RIPE NCC and, in particular, how RIPE NCC staff can participate in RIPE.
In this new draft document, we focus on the second part of this recommendation: how RIPE NCC staff can and should participate in the RIPE community and how the RIPE community welcomes participation by RIPE NCC staff:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/ripe-n...
Please review this document. If you have any comments, questions, suggestions, please send them to this list or to me directly before 31 May 2023.
Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair
[1] RIPE Nominating Committee 2020 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-762
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/ripe-n...
Please review this document. If you have any comments, questions, suggestions, please send them to this list or to me directly before 31 May 2023.
Whilst I'm happy with the document in general and especially with its clarity and brevity I'd like to sound a note of caution. NCC staff are, as rightly noted, members of the community and have a right to contribute to its work. However they are in a slightly favoured position in that their management is fully aware of the community and are willing to allow them the time to contribute. This is not the case for many members of the community who may find it difficult to persuade their employer to allow the time for them to fully participate (our esteemed HPH, for example, had to take annual leave to participate as RIPE Chair). This has the potential to skew the ability to contribute and over time could result in RIPE NCC staff being over represented in working groups and the like. We've actually seen this in working groups where the NCC has provided, for example, minute taking resources. Now whereas this is a fine thing and relieves the WG Chair of the thankless task of browbeating someone to produce a set of minutes it does, doubtless, reduce the feeling of the WG being a truly community thing. None of this should be interpreted as an attack in any way on RIPE NCC staff who generally do a fine job of decoupling their RIPE NCC and their RIPE hats. Or am I just an Old Internet Fart (TM)? (Note that I'm not campaigning for the return of overhead transparencies). Nigel
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