at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it. a good friend reports that fosdem has a junior track this year. they brought their tweens to it, and it was great! very hands on. vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track? so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog? randy
so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog?
This sounds excellent, we definitely need more young people involved in RIPE. Although I suspect this may result in a noticeable increase in personal ASN registrations, not that that's an issue. I think a workshop based format would be best, it's just a matter of finding someone willing to teach. ------------------------------ Any statements contained in this email are personal to the author and are not necessarily the statements of the company unless specifically stated. AS207960 Cyfyngedig, having a registered office at 13 Pen-y-lan Terrace, Caerdydd, Cymru, CF23 9EU, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Wales under № 12417574 <https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12417574>, LEI 875500FXNCJPAPF3PD10. ICO register №: ZA782876 <https://ico.org.uk/ESDWebPages/Entry/ZA782876>. UK VAT №: GB378323867. EU VAT №: EU372013983. Turkish VAT №: 0861333524. South Korean VAT №: 522-80-03080. AS207960 Ewrop OÜ, having a registered office at Lääne-Viru maakond, Tapa vald, Porkuni küla, Lossi tn 1, 46001, trading as Glauca Digital, is a company registered in Estonia under № 16755226. Estonian VAT №: EE102625532. Glauca Digital and the Glauca logo are registered trademarks in the UK, under № UK00003718474 and № UK00003718468, respectively. On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 at 21:16, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it.
a good friend reports that fosdem has a junior track this year. they brought their tweens to it, and it was great! very hands on. vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track?
so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog?
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I think a workshop based format would be best, it's just a matter of finding someone willing to teach.
perhaps WHAT to teach will help guide who might teach it. and that will depend a lot on the intended audience. i am told the fosdem track was geared toward a youngish set, and used, among other things, micro:bits using microblocks. but i am hoping someone who was there could speak with more authority. i am more used to teaching workshops to older entry-level engineers - linux/unix boot-camp, how to live on the command line, install, configure, maintain, ... - ip addressing, forwarding, and building a LAN, - basic routing, way more basic than philip, like rip and maybe simple use of is-is, - how to install and configure a few services (e.g. mail and/or dns) each being a separate full week hands on but this is far too ambitious to start. i suggest choosing a well-defined audience and one subject, teach it once or twice, and learn from that experience. randy
Hi,
but this is far too ambitious to start. i suggest choosing a well-defined audience and one subject, teach it once or twice, and learn from that experience.
I love this idea! Sander
On Feb 5, 2024, at 8:54 AM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
but this is far too ambitious to start. i suggest choosing a well-defined audience and one subject, teach it once or twice, and learn from that experience.
I love this idea! Sander
I also love the idea. A variation might be, to create some program about how the Internet works and what are some of the key topics and issues, give it to *teachers*. Perhaps a bit less thrilling to the presenters than working with the young people directly, but it could have bigger impact over time.
Hi,
I also love the idea. A variation might be, to create some program about how the Internet works and what are some of the key topics and issues, give it to *teachers*. Perhaps a bit less thrilling to the presenters than working with the young people directly, but it could have bigger impact over time.
Speaking from experience: first write it, then test it out a couple of times, *then* give it to other teachers :) Cheers! Sander
Sorry for top-posting. . . A few years ago I was frustrated at some knowledge gaps on my team, so I put together a training workshop that took 3 1/2 days (the first time I did it). I gave them each a Raspberry Pi. I walked them through boot-up, CLI, files, and using iptables to block all IPv4 and using ip6tables to block normal stuff. IPv6 addressing and SLAAC, of course. Bought them each a domain name ($2). Installed and configured bind as an auth server. Installed and configured apache and showed them certbot/LetsEncrypt, and hand-mangling HTML. Installed and configured postfix with DKIM and DMARC. Security throughout, opening up firewall rules for the new services, so we learned about UDP and TCP. Along the way, I gradually gave them less detailed instructions, so they had to learn how to learn from an online tutorial. At the end of the training, I had them take HE's IPv6 certification, and of course, they'd already completed all the requirements, and got the IPv6 Sage T-shirt. I've been thinking about how I might do something similar to teach routing. . . Have 15 people at three round tables. Each with a few "households" and a router. Discuss subnetting, give them subnets. Configure static routes. Then connect to others at the table, see why dynamic routing is easier, learn OSPF. Day 2, start connecting with other tables: BGP. Security along the way, of course. The "households" might be minihardware designed to accept DHCPv6 and ping from a specific address to a specific address and turn green when ping succeeds. Routers might be Bird on something with a handful of ports. I haven't spent much time on it--suggestions welcome. Taking a setup like this and doing some basic monitoring, then device provisioning, with Python or Go, would seem to me the logical next step. Maybe there's a version of data center management, layering cloud/virtualization services over it. Each of these could be done in less than a week, with breaks and meals. Building the classes could take a couple of months each. I'd love to build and do this, but I still have a day job. Lee -----Original Message----- From: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2024 5:45 PM To: Q Misell <q@as207960.net> Cc: RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ripe-list] RIPEng This message is from an EXTERNAL SENDER - be CAUTIOUS, particularly with links and attachments.
I think a workshop based format would be best, it's just a matter of finding someone willing to teach.
perhaps WHAT to teach will help guide who might teach it. and that will depend a lot on the intended audience. i am told the fosdem track was geared toward a youngish set, and used, among other things, micro:bits using microblocks. but i am hoping someone who was there could speak with more authority. i am more used to teaching workshops to older entry-level engineers - linux/unix boot-camp, how to live on the command line, install, configure, maintain, ... - ip addressing, forwarding, and building a LAN, - basic routing, way more basic than philip, like rip and maybe simple use of is-is, - how to install and configure a few services (e.g. mail and/or dns) each being a separate full week hands on but this is far too ambitious to start. i suggest choosing a well-defined audience and one subject, teach it once or twice, and learn from that experience. randy -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list
folk have been teaching addressingm forwarding, LANs, routing, services workshops since 1988. props to Alvise Nobile of ICTP who organized the first workshops. folk such as the NSRC have vast open source materials and tools to teach these things. no need to reinvent the wheel. imiho, we need to make some initial scoping on audience. do we want to target tweens and early teens with programming and computer concepts? or so we want to target older students who have grown up with laptops, the internet, and teach networking and services? or ... my personal take is that there are a bunch of folk focused on serving the younger set and making the next generation of programmers and UI designers. and that is not really our main bailiwick. we should focus on network and services engineering. but i am biased. to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget. randy
Thank you Randy, you made the point I was trying to make, but I was probably too tired. On 5 February 2024 20:29:27 CET, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
folk have been teaching addressingm forwarding, LANs, routing, services workshops since 1988. props to Alvise Nobile of ICTP who organized the first workshops. folk such as the NSRC have vast open source materials and tools to teach these things. no need to reinvent the wheel.
Exactly, there's lots of stuff already there. And I have seen many people starting to go for the problem and underestimating that not actually what to teach and with what tools is the hard part. The hard part is framing your audience and understand how to teach them.
imiho, we need to make some initial scoping on audience. do we want to target tweens and early teens with programming and computer concepts? or so we want to target older students who have grown up with laptops, the internet, and teach networking and services? or ...
my personal take is that there are a bunch of folk focused on serving the younger set and making the next generation of programmers and UI designers. and that is not really our main bailiwick. we should focus on network and services engineering. but i am biased.
I agree. If we put our energy in this (and this is energy and time consuming) we should teach something very specific to our community. Many things are already there, we don't need to replicate them in a slightly worse way ;)
to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget.
Need to think about it a bit more. Happy to help. And just to be clear i dont have anything against hands on stuff with pi-style hardware. We did a basic networking track at one of the German free software conferences once with hardware demos. That's pretty cool, but we should do something networking/Internet related rather than "build your own puzzle on a RPI". That may imply a more adult audience but I may underestimate people. Cheers, Franziska
to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget.
Need to think about it a bit more. Happy to help. And just to be clear i dont have anything against hands on stuff with pi-style hardware. We did a basic networking track at one of the German free software conferences once with hardware demos. That's pretty cool, but we should do something networking/Internet related rather than "build your own puzzle on a RPI". That may imply a more adult audience but I may underestimate people.
to really freak folk out the basic routing workshop o know, after being sure everyone knows what a prefix and mask are, does rip using slips of paper. [ i once tried to build simple routing in second life, but the so called programming language sucks caterpillar snot. ] randy
Hi, I can’t see who said they’d volunteer to teach basic routing, I’ll assume it was Randy given the links provided - I’m Aleix and so far relatively unfamiliar with the workings of RIPE, but want to get into it more. So far I have been to only a couple of events including for example the DNS Hackathon in Rotterdam. I’ll absolutely check out the material and I’m very interested in learning more (and I learn fast), but I see that there is something that I can contribute myself as well. I’m not entirely clueless when it comes to routing, but not suited to teach it. However, with an existent volunteer teacher - I’ve done some workshop organising (and led some, but these had nothing to do with IT) and I’d know quite well where, how and in some cases even who I’d potentially recruit for a routing workshop or seminar. I volunteer to put effort in for organisation and recruitment because when it comes to RIPE, there’s so far not much else I can bring to the table. Depending on the location if it’s not online I could potentially even source a physical place for near free or even really for free. If that’s interesting feel free to reach out to me, I’d love to help with this. Aleix
On 6. Feb 2024, at 02:19, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget.
Need to think about it a bit more. Happy to help. And just to be clear i dont have anything against hands on stuff with pi-style hardware. We did a basic networking track at one of the German free software conferences once with hardware demos. That's pretty cool, but we should do something networking/Internet related rather than "build your own puzzle on a RPI". That may imply a more adult audience but I may underestimate people.
to really freak folk out
the basic routing workshop o know, after being sure everyone knows what a prefix and mask are, does rip using slips of paper.
[ i once tried to build simple routing in second life, but the so called programming language sucks caterpillar snot. ]
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And I’m not fully awake yet it seems, I change my assumption to have been Wolfgang.
On 6. Feb 2024, at 11:16, Aleix <aleix.hoegy@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi, I can’t see who said they’d volunteer to teach basic routing, I’ll assume it was Randy given the links provided - I’m Aleix and so far relatively unfamiliar with the workings of RIPE, but want to get into it more. So far I have been to only a couple of events including for example the DNS Hackathon in Rotterdam.
I’ll absolutely check out the material and I’m very interested in learning more (and I learn fast), but I see that there is something that I can contribute myself as well.
I’m not entirely clueless when it comes to routing, but not suited to teach it. However, with an existent volunteer teacher - I’ve done some workshop organising (and led some, but these had nothing to do with IT) and I’d know quite well where, how and in some cases even who I’d potentially recruit for a routing workshop or seminar.
I volunteer to put effort in for organisation and recruitment because when it comes to RIPE, there’s so far not much else I can bring to the table. Depending on the location if it’s not online I could potentially even source a physical place for near free or even really for free.
If that’s interesting feel free to reach out to me, I’d love to help with this.
Aleix
On 6. Feb 2024, at 02:19, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget.
Need to think about it a bit more. Happy to help. And just to be clear i dont have anything against hands on stuff with pi-style hardware. We did a basic networking track at one of the German free software conferences once with hardware demos. That's pretty cool, but we should do something networking/Internet related rather than "build your own puzzle on a RPI". That may imply a more adult audience but I may underestimate people.
to really freak folk out
the basic routing workshop o know, after being sure everyone knows what a prefix and mask are, does rip using slips of paper.
[ i once tried to build simple routing in second life, but the so called programming language sucks caterpillar snot. ]
randy
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Hello! On 2024-02-05 22:20, Franziska Lichtblau wrote:
imiho, we need to make some initial scoping on audience. do we want to target tweens and early teens with programming and computer concepts? or so we want to target older students who have grown up with laptops, the internet, and teach networking and services? or ...
my personal take is that there are a bunch of folk focused on serving the younger set and making the next generation of programmers and UI designers. and that is not really our main bailiwick. we should focus on network and services engineering. but i am biased.
I agree. If we put our energy in this (and this is energy and time consuming) we should teach something very specific to our community. Many things are already there, we don't need to replicate them in a slightly worse way ;)
What is currently on my table, are two courses, one is a 3-4 days hands-on course for networking beginners like "how to become a small network admin" (wifi AP setup included) and another one,"how to setup your own AS", for like 2-3 days. These are kinda getting some shape. The thing is, and sorry if this comes out too rude … preparing a good course is _very_ time-consuming, so i'm now aiming solely to commercial teaching to get the time paid. However, I'm open to collaborations, and if there could be some funding to do these courses for free or for an affordable amount, I'll very happily accept it. Maria -- Maria Matejka (she/her) | BIRD Team Leader | CZ.NIC, z.s.p.o.
Maybe I misunderstood your initial goal. If your goal is to make sure there is a new generation of network engineers to replace us as we get old, then you want to make sure there's are cohorts of working-age or very-nearly-working age people who know the fundamentals of network engineering. So the target demo is 18-25 year olds. I would want to assume very little prerequisite knowledge, and use simple enough language that a young teenager might still enjoy it, but that's not the goal. I know my kid enjoyed and contributed to IETF Hackathons even at age 10. "Prerequisite knowledge" may be surprising, though. Students entering university now have a lower level of literacy than they did five years ago, having lost 1-2 years of school and having less focus on school since the pandemic. Many have no knowledge of file systems or PC hardware, having experienced all internet on phones and tablets. So that's why I went straight to content. I was thinking, "What do I wish new/aspiring network engineers knew?" Lee -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 2:29 PM To: Howard, Lee <LeeHoward@hilcostreambank.com> Cc: RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ripe-list] RIPEng This message is from an EXTERNAL SENDER - be CAUTIOUS, particularly with links and attachments. folk have been teaching addressingm forwarding, LANs, routing, services workshops since 1988. props to Alvise Nobile of ICTP who organized the first workshops. folk such as the NSRC have vast open source materials and tools to teach these things. no need to reinvent the wheel. imiho, we need to make some initial scoping on audience. do we want to target tweens and early teens with programming and computer concepts? or so we want to target older students who have grown up with laptops, the internet, and teach networking and services? or ... my personal take is that there are a bunch of folk focused on serving the younger set and making the next generation of programmers and UI designers. and that is not really our main bailiwick. we should focus on network and services engineering. but i am biased. to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget. randy
Maybe I misunderstood your initial goal.
to incite the community to move from talking about the next generation to doing something other than move the mailing lists to discord. there are many things we could do. i do not class changing the color of my shirt among them. randy
I think a great junior program would just be a "how does content get to your phone" -- A lot of folks don't know about datacenters and networks! And showing lots of pictures and diagrams about what datacenters and networking gear looks like. You can then introduce basic routing protocols, BGP, peering, transit, last mile networks, and so on. I am biased because I gave a (adult SRE focused) talk on this some years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPEZU_Uk-vM and it was really well received and a lot of folks came up to me asking questions about networks. On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:10 AM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
Maybe I misunderstood your initial goal.
to incite the community to move from talking about the next generation to doing something other than move the mailing lists to discord. there are many things we could do. i do not class changing the color of my shirt among them.
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Hi Randy,
my personal take is that there are a bunch of folk focused on serving the younger set and making the next generation of programmers and UI designers. and that is not really our main bailiwick. we should focus on network and services engineering. but i am biased.
Same for me :)
to put my money where my mouth is (sorry for another idiom), i volunteer to teach basic routing, but need folk to help organise, recruit, ... and i don't think it is the ncc's role this season, as folk are beating the ncc up over budget.
I volunteer as well! Sander
Hi, let me jump in here - I have been doing BGP trainings over the last few years and my initial idea was just the same, just give everyone a RaspberryPI. But when I tested this (your experience was different from what I read) I spent way too much time debugging PI-issues instead of doing BGP. So back to the drawing board and my BGP training now uses a docker-based FRRouting. Source code for my BGP lab is here: https://gitlab.com/de-cix-public/team-academy/bgp/BGPLab Training materials for BGP (draft!) here: https://de-cix-group.gitlab.io/team-academy/bgp/BGP-Seminar-Documentation/ Also I recorded some videos about "Networking Basics", all available for free here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_gbuEiuFIEDz1frRh9ctWZzgBBtLUVSP&si=RttjJxLwc8P20wXs best regards Wolfgang
On 5. Feb 2024, at 19:31, Howard, Lee <LeeHoward@hilcostreambank.com> wrote:
I've been thinking about how I might do something similar to teach routing. . . Have 15 people at three round tables. Each with a few "households" and a router. Discuss subnetting, give them subnets. Configure static routes. Then connect to others at the table, see why dynamic routing is easier, learn OSPF. Day 2, start connecting with other tables: BGP. Security along the way, of course. The "households" might be minihardware designed to accept DHCPv6 and ping from a specific address to a specific address and turn green when ping succeeds. Routers might be Bird on something with a handful of ports. I haven't spent much time on it--suggestions welcome.
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On 3 February 2024 20:44:15 CET, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it.
a good friend reports that fosdem has a junior track this year. they brought their tweens to it, and it was great! very hands on. vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track?
I couldn't make it this year, but here's the link for everyone who wants to have a look. https://fosdem.org/2024/schedule/track/junior/
so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog?
That is a very good question. At fosdem or other broadly oriented tech conferences the junior tracks specifically offer topics kids and teenagers are interested in and get them hands on with programming, building stuff etc. Given us as a community based on keeping the open and free Internet running as well as our professional interests I find it not straight forward how to interest a young generation / age group in that. I've seen with many of my former students that once they got a glimpse on how the Internet is being run they were quite intrigued and motivated to learn. But much of that wasn't really hands on - sure hardware labs were always a good motivation. Thinking about governance, policy, registry operation I'm not sure how that could look like. We could focus on general educational content on networking, especially with all the virtualization options we have these days there could be fun in that if done right. Given that we already have a hard time getting a steadily high influx of "new generation" contributing community members, thinking about younger age groups is even more difficult. Maybe some people in our community with young kids could give us an idea on what could be inspiring for them within our topics? Curious about ideas there. Best, Franziska
Hi,
Thinking about governance, policy, registry operation I'm not sure how that could look like. We could focus on general educational content on networking, especially with all the virtualization options we have these days there could be fun in that if done right.
A room of RPis would be much more interesting than a virtual setup ;) Cheers! Sander
Hi everyone, I'm glad to see this topic coming up on the RIPE list, as how to recruit, welcome, and onboard new community members who may not be familiar with how RIPE works is certainly a good use of time. Thankfully, it's hardly a new concern – meaning, there are good resources and communities out there to assist. One is EuroDIG's youth community, and another is the IGF's Youth Coalition on Internet Governance (YCIG). Would RIPE consider adding a youth track? If so, I encourage you to speak to Sandra, Nadia, and Elisabeth from EuroDIG! Cheers, -Michael On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 3:15 PM Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
Hi,
Thinking about governance, policy, registry operation I'm not sure how that could look like. We could focus on general educational content on networking, especially with all the virtualization options we have these days there could be fun in that if done right.
A room of RPis would be much more interesting than a virtual setup ;)
Cheers! Sander
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On Sat, Feb 3, 2024, at 2:44 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it.
This topic came up on stage (and in the hallways, based on what I overheard) at NAF's Autocon 0 in November. There, I heard about CS grads who had come out of a 4-year program knowing so little about networks that they could not describe the relationship between an IP address and a netmask, or explain in broad strokes the function of a router. (Same story with coding bootcamps.) On the other side, network engineers can obtain certifications that cover zero software development ideas. The central question of that conference was why networks are not being automated in the same way that systems have been for quite a while now, and some folks pointed a finger in the direction of education. You can't create effective automation or orchestration without creating some software (or at minimum fancy scripts), and their point was that there's very little crossover, educationally, between software developers and network engineers. At $DAYJOB, I run a team that works on various automation processes for the network, and I concur. When I'm hiring, I need to find people who can competently write and maintain software, but who also understand network concepts and ideally even how to interact with actual routers. They aren't as easy to find as I'd like. Dan PS: Incidentally for this audience, NAF (Network Automation Forum) is holding Autocon 1 in Europe at the end of May.
One idea is to Explain The Cloud Like I'm 10. What do you think? Hesham On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 1:16 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it.
a good friend reports that fosdem has a junior track this year. they brought their tweens to it, and it was great! very hands on. vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track?
so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog?
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Well maybe a starting point would be for some of the “grey beards” to stop being so confrontational and generally “crusty” when it comes to engaging with new members of the RIPE community. I honestly don’t see how RIPE or any of the other technical groups is going to flourish in the future of it continues to be dominated by a vocal group of, mostly, older white men who have an unhealthy relationship with a Utopian vision of the Internet from 20 odd years ago. The Internet of 2024 is a very different beast from that of the 1990s. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: ripe-list <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Date: Sunday, 4 February 2024 at 21:16 To: RIPE List <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] RIPEng [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. at ripe and nanog we talk about bringing up the next generation. at fosdem they're doing it. a good friend reports that fosdem has a junior track this year. they brought their tweens to it, and it was great! very hands on. vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track? so what would be a junior program for ripe or nanog? randy -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list
Dear RIPE List, to reply to Randy's question in a round-about way: On 03/02/2024 20:44, Randy Bush wrote:
vesna or other fosdem attendees, did you look in on the junior track?
group of topics that "juniors" are busy with these days are: climate justice & environmental sustainability *in tech*... because: “No research on a dead planet”: preserving the socio-ecological conditions for academia https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feduc.2023.1237076 You can see that from the focus of upcoming academic events: 7. March: Willem De Kooning Academy (Rotterdam) : "Traces of Power" : https://top.permacomputing.net 21-22. March: Royal Science Academy (KNAW) (Amsterdam) : "Sustainable Digitalisation in Europe: Focus on data infrastructures and cloud computing" https://aces.uva.nl/content/events/2024/03/sustainable-digitalisation-in-eur... 18-19. June (Online) Tenth Workshop on "Computing within Limits" https://computingwithinlimits.org/2024/ ^^^ Call for papers & Local Hubs is open till 15th March! More events, that I already posted to RACI list (Academic Cooperation) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/raci-list/2024-February/000276.html https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/raci-list/2024-February/000279.html Our industry is also busy with these topics: * Via Chris Adams: report on "Energy Consumption in Data Centres and Broadband Communication Networks in the EU" (2024-02-16) https://publications.jrc.ec.europa.eu/repository/handle/JRC135926 (by European Commission's Joint Research Centre) "It gives some good analysis of the various data sources, and how they were collected. Page 27 is a really information dense, but helpful chart - showing datacenter use side by side with networks, as well as the share that these make up of national energy use." * Via Rudolf van der Berg: GSMA just published a report on how telcos are doing with regards to Net Zero goals "2024: State of the Industry on Climate Action" https://www.gsma.com/betterfuture/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Mobile-Net-Zero... My favourite quote: "Increasing the circularity of mobile phones and network equipment is critical to reducing value chain emissions. " "Climate action" (#) is also known as SDG13, and it was mentioned in: ** Inter-University Sustainable Development Research Programme (IUSDRP) et.al paper "The central role of climate action in achieving the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals": https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-47746-w. ** & in the talk at ICANN's EURALO Roundtable meeting on "Internet Governance for Sustainable Development Goals" in February https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=303202361 Therefore, any activity for educating / attracting "next generation" of RIPE participants should be including topics of climate action. Regards, Vesna (#) https://sdgs.un.org/goals/goal13 -- Senior Community Builder, RIPE NCC https://labs.ripe.net/author/becha/
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Aleix -
Dan Lowe -
Franziska Lichtblau -
Hesham ElBakoury -
Howard, Lee -
Leslie -
Maria Matejka -
Michael J. Oghia -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Q Misell -
Randy Bush -
Sander Steffann -
Vesna Manojlovic -
Victoria Risk -
Wolfgang Tremmel