Hi Mirjam, all, A code of conduct is a welcome addition to RIPE’s toolset. It is a pity we need one but such is humanity. The problem with any code/rulebook is, as has been shown, how it gets applied. Hans Peter’s was a most unfortunate action: not only was it completely out of line, showing poor judgement, it was not his to apply. This should have been a RIPE chair(team) call (or even the wg chair and the wg itself). I was happy to see the community’s reaction in this regard. Having the RIPE NCC come out the way it did is very harmful to people’s perception of what the real intent is, as has already been expressed. I was very happy to see Athina’s posting on how the RIPE NCC plans to incorporate comments. I very eagerly await Hans Peter’s. The sooner we can get most people to again believe that the CoC is a tool for good, the better. In this sense your email is most welcome. Joao

On 3 Feb 2022, at 10:56, Mirjam Kuehne <mir@zu-hause.nl> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

I have been thinking about what was said on this list about people being afraid of the Code of Conduct.

I did not hear people were afraid of adopting a RIPE Code of Conduct. Instead I heard broad consensus and I believe we managed to build a Code of Conduct that encourages "good behaviour" and positive and constructive engagement. I think as a community we can be proud of that achievement.

I have the impression however, that the pure existence of a Code of Conduct can be interpreted in different ways. Some people might see a Code of Conduct as guidance that is there in the background to remind us all how we want to treat each other. In that scenario it might make sense to refer to it from time to time and to nudge each other in a friendly way.

Other people might see a Code of Conduct as a threat and as a last resort in case people misbehave badly. In that scenario the Code of Conduct would be used in very exceptional cases only and would potentially have severe consequences for a community member.

I believe that the tone in which the RIPE Code of Conduct is written and the way it was accepted and agreed by the community, should make people feel safe and that it would be interpreted more in the former way. I understand from reactions to the list that this is not necessarily the case. How can we change that?

I would like to remind you that the work of the RIPE Code of Conduct Task Force is not finished yet and that they are working on the implementation process. I would very much appreciate any feedback from you to make sure we all feel comfortable and safe and protected by a Code of Conduct. It should not be seen as a threat.

Kind Regards, Mirjam RIPE Chair

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Hi Mirjam, all, You can't declare consensus in something that was developed by a TF that discriminated even a single participant from being part of the TF. That creates a problem since minute cero, and basically invalidates the process. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 3/2/22 10:57, "ripe-list en nombre de Mirjam Kuehne" <ripe-list-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de mir@zu-hause.nl> escribió: Dear colleagues, I have been thinking about what was said on this list about people being afraid of the Code of Conduct. I did not hear people were afraid of adopting a RIPE Code of Conduct. Instead I heard broad consensus and I believe we managed to build a Code of Conduct that encourages "good behaviour" and positive and constructive engagement. I think as a community we can be proud of that achievement. I have the impression however, that the pure existence of a Code of Conduct can be interpreted in different ways. Some people might see a Code of Conduct as guidance that is there in the background to remind us all how we want to treat each other. In that scenario it might make sense to refer to it from time to time and to nudge each other in a friendly way. Other people might see a Code of Conduct as a threat and as a last resort in case people misbehave badly. In that scenario the Code of Conduct would be used in very exceptional cases only and would potentially have severe consequences for a community member. I believe that the tone in which the RIPE Code of Conduct is written and the way it was accepted and agreed by the community, should make people feel safe and that it would be interpreted more in the former way. I understand from reactions to the list that this is not necessarily the case. How can we change that? I would like to remind you that the work of the RIPE Code of Conduct Task Force is not finished yet and that they are working on the implementation process. I would very much appreciate any feedback from you to make sure we all feel comfortable and safe and protected by a Code of Conduct. It should not be seen as a threat. Kind Regards, Mirjam RIPE Chair -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.