Dear colleagues, more than a week ago we have published the RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. We have also asked for nominations of persons to serve on the RIPE NCC Association's Executive Board. Up to now there has been very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total of 1 (one) person has been nominated for the Executive Board. Only 13 of currently 796 contributors have so far registered for the contributors committee meeting; that is less than 2% of the contributors. I tend to interpret this data optimistically and conclude that you all are basically happy with what the NCC is doing and how it is done. Thus you see no point to make the time it takes to take part in the governance of the RIPE NCC. If this interpretation is true the vote of confidence is flattering. However it would be very nice to hear it explicitly rather than implicitly. This would make the NCC stand stronger and make the concept of industry self-regulation all the more stronger. Given the low number of nominations, there is a real danger now that we will not be able to elect a strong and competent executive board. It has become very likely that the executive board will be elected in an ad-hoc fashion at a meeting of a very few contributors and that there is no public discussion prior to that election. This bears the danger of electing persons who do not really have the necessary time and/or expertise available to them. This will make the NCC weaker. NCC management needs the executive board as a strong partner in developing the NCC. I am personally quite concerned that the lack of interest in the governance of the NCC may lead to difficulties in the long run. Minorities and/or special interests might gain disproportionate influence. The NCC itself may take up momentum in directions the majority of the contributors do not want. Once this has happened it is can be very difficult to correct. The amount of effort needed to keep something on track is far less than to put it back on track after it has derailed. I urge all of you to take more of an active interest in these matters and to nominate proficient people to serve on the executive board. We would also appreciate feedback and discussion about the documents published, in particular the 1998 Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. More information can be found at http://www.ripe.net/meetings/contrib/ which contains meeting details and pointers to the relevant documents and at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/archives/ncc-co/current which contains an archive of the relevant e-mail messages in case you have missed them. Thank you very much for your consideration. Daniel Karrenberg RIPE Community Member RIPE NCC Manager
On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:27:31 +0200 Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
more than a week ago we have published the RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. We have also asked for nominations of persons to serve on the RIPE NCC Association's Executive Board. Up to now there has been very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total of 1 (one) person has been nominated for the Executive Board. Only 13 of currently 796 contributors have so far registered for the contributors committee meeting; that is less than 2% of the contributors.
How does one nominate someone for the EXEC board? -- Neil J. McRae - Alive and Kicking. C O L T I N T E R N E T neil@COLT.NET Ascend GRF: 100% CpF [Cisco protection Factor] Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">computer!</A>
"Neil J. McRae" <neil@COLT.NET> writes:
How does one nominate someone for the EXEC board?
See ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/archives/ncc-co/current Daniel
Daniel, Last week, UUnet UK approached Keith Mitchell, Executive Chairman of the LINX with a view to being nominated. He accepted and we are now in the process of preparing a nomination to be made very soon. regards, Anne --
Dear colleagues,
more than a week ago we have published the RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. We have also asked for nominations of persons to serve on the RIPE NCC Association's Executive Board. Up to now there has been very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total of 1 (one) person has been nominated for the Executive Board. Only 13 of currently 796 contributors have so far registered for the contributors committee meeting; that is less than 2% of the contributors.
I tend to interpret this data optimistically and conclude that you all are basically happy with what the NCC is doing and how it is done. Thus you see no point to make the time it takes to take part in the governance of the RIPE NCC. If this interpretation is true the vote of confidence is flattering. However it would be very nice to hear it explicitly rather than implicitly. This would make the NCC stand stronger and make the concept of industry self-regulation all the more stronger.
Given the low number of nominations, there is a real danger now that we will not be able to elect a strong and competent executive board. It has become very likely that the executive board will be elected in an ad-hoc fashion at a meeting of a very few contributors and that there is no public discussion prior to that election. This bears the danger of electing persons who do not really have the necessary time and/or expertise available to them. This will make the NCC weaker. NCC management needs the executive board as a strong partner in developing the NCC.
I am personally quite concerned that the lack of interest in the governance of the NCC may lead to difficulties in the long run. Minorities and/or special interests might gain disproportionate influence. The NCC itself may take up momentum in directions the majority of the contributors do not want. Once this has happened it is can be very difficult to correct. The amount of effort needed to keep something on track is far less than to put it back on track after it has derailed.
I urge all of you to take more of an active interest in these matters and to nominate proficient people to serve on the executive board. We would also appreciate feedback and discussion about the documents published, in particular the 1998 Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. More information can be found at
http://www.ripe.net/meetings/contrib/
which contains meeting details and pointers to the relevant documents and at
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/archives/ncc-co/current
which contains an archive of the relevant e-mail messages in case you have missed them.
Thank you very much for your consideration.
Daniel Karrenberg RIPE Community Member RIPE NCC Manager
On Sep 16, 14:27, Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total
But Daniel, if we were to send you congratulatory notices all the time, you would have to increase the charges in order to pay for the manpower to process them.-) (This could of course be automated, with a congratbot sending back ticket numbers and indication of priority, as well as requests for clarification as to the reason for the congratulatory notice; and in the case of overwhelmingly positive feedback, it would probably be in order to ask for plans for future congratulations within the same scope as the one currently being processed.)
I tend to interpret this data optimistically and conclude that you all are basically happy with what the NCC is doing and how it is done. Thus
Right on! Many cheers to you and your staff, damned good job in what must be a damned unpleasant environment from time to time, or maybe even all the time ("I want my IPs!" "You have no right to ..." "We will sue!"). I guess it could be enlightening for many people if you were to publish, suitably anonymized (or maybe not), the "RIPE NCC Hostmaster Picks of the Month". -- ------ ___ --- Per G. Bilse, Director Network Eng & Ops ----- / / / __ ___ _/_ ---- EUnet Communications Services B.V. ---- /--- / / / / /__/ / ----- Singel 540, 1017 AZ Amsterdam, NL --- /___ /__/ / / /__ / ------ tel: +31 20 5305333, fax: +31 20 6224657 --- ------- 24hr emergency number: +31 20 421 0865 --- Connecting Europe since AS286 --- http://www.EU.net e-mail: bilse at domain
Dear Per Gregers Bilse, your message <199709182003.AA19737@jotun.EU.net> of Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:03:44 +0200 has been received at the RIPE NCC. It has been classified as a class IVb congratulatory message. We have automagically assigned an aggregate value of 12.7 on the Flattery scale. The message has been queued for processing as ticket NCCFLATT#19737. Please refer to this ticket when sending related compliments and congratulations. The current account of your registry has been credited with 39473 flattery units. If you have plans for future congratulations please refer to the RIPE NCC congratulation guidelines as approved by the RIPE congratulations WG (Document ID ripe-tmjnf). Please also not that this version of the guidelines states that any critisim of the RIPE NCC or one of its staff members results in an immediate penalty charge of ECU 5120. Your message will be processed by the next available comliment master as soon as we return from our weekly back patting day. If you have any further compliments, please do not hesitate to contact us. RIPE NCC Compliments Department Robot 27 PS: Yes I have been working too much. PPS: We are looking for constructive critisism! PPPS: The real danger is people being so busy&happy that they forget the system needs to be representative. You get the governance you deserve. PPPPS: Bedtime. Daniel
Per Gregers Bilse <bilse@EU.net> writes: On Sep 16, 14:27, Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total
But Daniel, if we were to send you congratulatory notices all the time, you would have to increase the charges in order to pay for the manpower to process them.-) (This could of course be automated, with a congratbot sending back ticket numbers ...
Dear contributors, I'd like to thank all of you who have taken the time to attend yesterday's meeting or to contribute messages about the issues. The adoption of both the activities & expenditure and the charging scheme is a vote of confidence that all of us at the RIPE NCC appreciate. We will do our best to honour the trust you have in us. Also the process of incorporating as an independent organisation is progressing. Especially I'd like to thank all those people who have offered to serve on the executive board of RNA. Thanks to your contribution the meeting had a good slate of both highly qualified and well respected candidates to choose from. I must conclude that my worries of 'RIPE NCC in Danger' were just that - worries; I am happy about that. Regards Daniel Karrenberg RIPE Community Member RIPE NCC Manager PS: Detailed minutes of the meeting will be published as soon as possible after the RIPE meeting.
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Anne Lord -
Daniel Karrenberg -
Neil J. McRae -
Per Gregers Bilse