In message <0179b1838aa0431d812be7a7b40cf784@yellowfox.net>, Peter Stimpel <peter@yellowfox.net> wrote:
Wow, How I missed this "if you are not with us, you are against us" calls.
I gather that it is altogether easy to be both cavalier towards and dismissive of any attempts to seriously discuss the topic of personal ethical responsibilities in response to these world-changing events in Eastern Europe, at least while the view is from your comfortable and no doubt air-conditioned office in Kesselsdorf, far far from the actual carnage.
Seriously: you made your point, could you leave it at that, please. RIPE is the wrong playground for this in my opinion.
I say yet again, show me the European equivalent to the NANOG mailing lists that we here in North America have and i will be only too happy to go there and raise these issues. I've checked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_network_operators%27_group and although there seems to be no shortage European country-specific network operator groups (and associated mailing lists) I'm not seeing any pan-European place where I could make my case to network operators throughout Europe. (This, to me, is rather incomprehensible, especially given the number of European networking companies that have connections in more than one European country, but this is only one of the smaller points that mystify me about the seemingly determined and deliberate dis-unity in Europe.)
As far as I understand, RIPE should not use its resources to make political impact
And I have not suggested otherwise. Just because I elected to raise the issue of our _individual_ responses to the war in Ukraine here on ripe-list doesn't not automatically imply that I either expect or even hope for any formal response from RIPE itself. I don't. This just seems to be the one and only mailing list in the entire universe where it might be possible to communicate with a large number of individual European network operators.
If your point was to reach out to people and make a statement pro Ukraine: got it, thanks for the reminder, end of communication.
My goal was to reach a maximal number of European network operators and to put it to them all that they can and should join with the over 1,000 companies on the following list and curtail their business relations with Russia: https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operation...
There are plenty of communities and social networks, where private people can put effort into helping ukrainian people with the situation, or make (imo useless) "fckptn" statements. RIPE mailing list is no such place.
Thanks, but Facebook and Twitter are clearly not going to be effective venues for reaching European network operators, specifically. And if I have left any doubt, let me be clear that this was and is my goal. I'd like to ask each and every one of you folks here who are decision makers and who run European networks how well you can sleep, knowing that you continue to provide connectivity to an aggressor nation, relentlessly bent on a 19th century style war of territorial conquest in Eastern Europe, and whose government ruthlessly annihilates any and all opposition, both within its own borders, and even, when they need arises, on the streets of London. Regards, rfg