your message could only be understood as slightly offensive: I've only described reality. If reality is offensive to you, you know what to do about it. This leads me to start thinking if I can take you serious if you are not able to consider proposals on objective and technical grounds You don't have to take me serious; lots of others who know me do, which is enough for me. Blocking traffic from other RIPE participants is a technical action to which EUnet has never lowered itself. EUNET is known to contribute valuable technical expertise to keep a European IP service running. And SWITCH is actively breaking that European IP service; actively, but cleverly *highly* selective, so as not to make a complete fool out of itself in front of the whole IP community. Piet