Hi Hank,

I agree with those points, we had similar discussions in other RIRs.

Not being a lawyer, I believe that instead of “copyright”, we should use “intellectual property”, as copyright is one form of presenting that.

Regarding the law violation. It is not clear how that should be formulated, because, it is impossible that everyone knows the law of Netherlands and it may be even in simple things very different from your own country. In fact, if that happens, it will be a legal issue, which is always on top of any code of conduct that we want to set.

I understand that most of the CoC aspects, could be considered against law in many countries, and we want to make them “explicit”. However, for that specific point I’ve “confronted sentiments”.

In my opinion, if something violating law is posted which is not clearly described in all the other points of the CoC, it is up to the Dutch LEA/courts to decide and it is up to RIPE NCC to inform them about “their feeling that it may be the case”.

Let me go a bit further: This is also relevant to the email archives. They should reflect all what happens in the list, like a meeting recording, minutes, etc., uncensored. Deleting from email archives something that could be a law violation should be only done if the law ask for it.

The RIPE NCC regularly organizes events for communities which are

distinct from RIPE. When preparing for such an event, the RIPE NCC

will ascertain whether the respective community has adopted the

RIPE Code of Conduct and, if not, also ascertain which Code must

be applied.

my naïve view is that, if the ncc is an organiser, then the coc MUST

apply.  

if i am asked to be on (or chair) a panel which has no under-represented

folk, i decline, making the reason very clear.

randy

Reviewing the CoC I have noticed a few items that maybe need to be included (not sure):

- violating someones copyright or trademark

- distributing malware with the intention of infecting participants

- reposting private emails without the express permission of the sender

- posting something that would violate the law in the Netherlands

- posting commercial/advertisement content

Probably each is open to debate.

Regards,

Hank

Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer