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New on the RIPE Labs Podcast: The Internet in Central Asia
by Alun Davies 04 Nov '22

04 Nov '22

Dear colleagues, Last month, at the RIPE NCC Days Tashkent event in Uzbekistan, my colleague Anastasiya Pak caught up with Shavkat Sabirov of the Internet Association of Kazakhstan to talk about the state of the Internet in Central Asia. Tune in ahead of the first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum (CAPIF 1) to hear more about challenges in the development of the Central Asian Internet and why there’s a need for a more close-knit Internet community in the region: https://labs.ripe.net/author/anastasiya-pak/the-internet-in-central-asia/ Best regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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New on RIPE Labs: The RIPE Chair Team Reports - Highlights from RIPE 85
by Mirjam Kuehne 03 Nov '22

03 Nov '22

Dear colleagues, RIPE 85 in Belgrade was a mix of great discussions, great weather, and a solar eclipse. The programme was particularly strong and we accomplished a lot as a community through the week. Here are our highlights: https://labs.ripe.net/author/mirjam_kuhne/the-ripe-chair-team-reports-highl… Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair

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Re: [ripe-list] unsubscribe without my knowledge and consensus.
by Oliver Payne 03 Nov '22

03 Nov '22

Dear Lu A subscriber on the mailing list has clicked the unsubscribe link in an email thread you're quoted in, but they have used your unsubscribe link instead of their own. This generates a confirmation email which you have received. We will monitor the situation to determine if we need to remove the unsubscribe option which allows people to do this, though we added this link after there was a large number of people posting 'unsubscribe' emails to the list. Oliver Payne Web Services Team Manager RIPE NCC

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unsubscribe without my knowledge and consensus.
by Lu Heng 03 Nov '22

03 Nov '22

Hi I received following Email yesterday, none of the unsub request was made by me. This have happened number of time for other Emails I sub to RIPE list, and I have opened a ticket with RIPE but without any luck Is this an censorship attempt by someone? Can RIPE NCC investigate and report back to the community? Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list members-discuss We have received a request from 2a02:908:2816:84c0:a8a2:baaf:7f10:8cda for the removal of your email address, "mailto:h.lu@larus.net" from the mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/confirm/members-discuss/017b360a4576fd62599b… Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net: confirm 017b360a4576fd62599bcc92ecade717210ca9bc Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to mailto:members-discuss-owner@ripe.net. Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list members-discuss We have received a request from 2a02:908:2816:84c0:a8a2:baaf:7f10:8cda for the removal of your email address, "mailto:h.lu@larus.net" from the mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/confirm/members-discuss/0278fb8991281635ea91… Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net: confirm 0278fb8991281635ea917aada24136953aae8b62 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to mailto:members-discuss-owner@ripe.net. Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list members-discuss We have received a request from 2a02:908:2816:84c0:a8a2:baaf:7f10:8cda for the removal of your email address, "mailto:h.lu@larus.net" from the mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net mailing list. To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. Or visit this web page: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/confirm/members-discuss/84f73724a3b3da53878a… Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net: confirm 84f73724a3b3da53878a92f8f90afb2f08594a54 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to mailto:members-discuss-owner@ripe.net. Lu Heng Chief Executive Officer LARUS Limited Email H.Lu@LARUS.netmailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com Office tel:+852+29888918 Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR Website: LARUS.net This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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v6
by Randy Bush 31 Oct '22

31 Oct '22

It's been 15 years, RIPE 55 to RIPE 85, since Gary Feldman sang "The Day the ROuters Died." We finally had a meeting where v6 transit was dominant. randy

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Closing Discussion [was: A frank discussion]
by Mirjam Kuehne 31 Oct '22

31 Oct '22

Dear all, I don’t see any new arguments or new information in the recent mails sent on this topic. Everything has been said. I am closing this discussion now. Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair and RIPE List Moderator

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A frank discussion
by Lu Heng 29 Oct '22

29 Oct '22

Dear RIPE community and RIPE NCC members: You may be well aware of RIPE NCC management's refusal to acknowledge the serious governance issue in AFRINIC and the fact that the management keeps involving itself closely with governmental bodies, ever since the miscarriage of their NRO letter to make AFRINIC a specialized agency of United Nations. Recently, during the ITU Conference, it is said that the RIPE NCC management team seemed to have approached the American government and European Union government as a means to interfere with the ongoing matters. As someone who has had engaged closely with the community for many years, I believe it is of utmost importance for the community to be aware of the seriousness of the matter, and a frank discussion is more than necessary in the upcoming RIPE meeting. For RIPE NCC to make their case of seems deep interference with government and for me to exchange with the community any views and differences. My dispute with AFRINIC (despite it is sub-judice), is essentially a "policy dispute" between members of RIR and the RIR management. Court pocceding is also part of bottom up community driven process when the dispute can not be resolved amicably. However, NRO's request to make RIR an ITU-like body, and RIPE NCC's apparent consistent engagement with government officials to interfere in the matter, I think it is high time for the community to be aware of, discuss and decide whether such involvement is proper in a community driven, bottom-up registry who has been independent of governmental influences for more than three decades I have submitted an lighting talk for the plenary and got rejected. I have attached the rejection letter here for your perusal. It is disconcerting to me because the matter is of utmost urgency and importance for the community and the RIR system. The purpose of the current letter is to re-state my intention of an open, frank, heart-to-heart discussion with the community. I will appreciate if any working group chair can pick up the subject and do an BoF during the working group sessions. I believe the graveness of the issue requires such a discussion - transparency and accountability are the two core values of this community. Here is the letter I received: Dear Lu Heng, We regret to inform you that your Lightning Talk submission for RIPE 85 titled 'A difficult reality' has not been accepted into the Plenary session. >From the PC's perspective the presentation does not fit the RIPE plenary. If your submission refers to the role of the RIPE NCC, then we suggest the NCC Services WG as the appropriate venue to start this discussion. If you want to have a discussion about the RIPE community as a policy making body, then we feel the RIPE community plenary is the right place to go. Thank you, Franziska Lichtblau on behalf of the Programme Committee My reply: Hi The presentation is about ripe community’s view on current actions taken by NRO and RIPE NCC. The matter is extremely serious and I believe ripe community should be aware. And yes, this is about where boundaries of ripe community policy making and how many people should be aware and participate community. I feel current ripe community is not truly inclusive enough for every internet user aware. I think best we have a frank discussion and inform the community, rather have me go to some channels of communication, and community might feel not informed and asking why. And THIS IS REALLY NOT ABOUT NCC SERVICE. If PC have future questions welcome to send me zoom link to discuss. Lu Heng Chief Executive Officer LARUS Limited Email H.Lu@LARUS.netmailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com Office tel:+852+29888918 Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR Website: LARUS.net This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.

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NRO NC Election Result
by Hans Petter Holen 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Dear colleagues, We are pleased to announce that James Kennedy was re-elected to the Number Resource Organization Number Council (NRO NC) at the elections held during RIPE 85 (24-28 October 2022). James will serve a three-year term starting on 1 January 2023 and ending on 31 December 2025. Details on the election process and the NRO NC are available at: https://www.ripe.net/nro-nc/nominations-oct-2022/ We would like to congratulate James on his appointment! Kind regards, Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Re: [ripe-list] [members-discuss] A frank discussion
by Lu Heng 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Hi Alex: See inline: Lu Heng Chief Executive Officer LARUS Limited Email H.Lu@LARUS.netmailto:a.yan@outsideheaven.com Office tel:+852+29888918 Address A3, 11/F, TML Tower, Tsuen Wan, N.T, Hong Kong SAR Website: LARUS.net This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. ---- On Thu, 27 Oct 2022 21:00:11 +0800 Alex Le Heux <aleheux(a)tucowsinc.com> wrote --- What I support: - The RIPE NCC cooperating with other governance structures in the world. - The RIPE NCC taking any action it deems neccessary to safeguard the RIR system from outside threats and support other RIRs in their proper functioning. Asking RIR to be specialised agency of the united nation is none of above, unless you consider give RIR leadership immunity in order to escape community scrutiny is "protecting RIR system from outside threats". What I do not support: - Continued attempts by some members to gaslight the RIPE NCC into not doing the above. Revealing the attempt by RIR leadership to give up community to the united nation is not gaslighting RIPE NCC not doing above as well. It called Whistleblowing. If Community indeed want to be specialised agency of the united nation collectively, it is not up to me to make such decision, I would not agree, but if this indeed is the community position, we can be open and transparent about it. Keep confusing the community on "giving up community for governmental control" with "cooperation with governmental body", is not helping here. Alex Le Heux _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/h.lu%40larus.net

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Re: [ripe-list] [members-discuss] A frank discussion
by Sander Steffann 28 Oct '22

28 Oct '22

Hi, > On 27 Oct 2022, at 15:00, Alex Le Heux <aleheux(a)tucowsinc.com> wrote: > > What I support: > > - The RIPE NCC cooperating with other governance structures in the world. > - The RIPE NCC taking any action it deems neccessary to safeguard the RIR system from outside threats and support other RIRs in their proper functioning. > > What I do not support: > > - Continued attempts by some members to gaslight the RIPE NCC into not doing the above. Thank you for summarising this, +1 Cheers, Sander

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