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EOF meeting agenda
by Peter Lothberg 08 Oct '95

08 Oct '95

Version 1.0 Draft Agenda 8th EOF Meeting ============================ Date: Wednesday 11 October 1995 Time: 10:45 -- 12:30 (Coffe served 10:30) Place: NIKHEF, Amsterdam room Z009 Host: Nikhef Rob Blokzijl --===::::*****::::===-- 1. Welcome 2. Agenda Bashing 3. Appointment of minute taker 4. Apologies 5. Previous Minutes 6. Status of European Interconnect Points - Short updates - LINX (London) Keith Mitchel - F-GIX (Paris) Bernhard Tui - D-GIX (Stockholm) Peter Lothberg - Cern (Geneva) - Amsterdam - Italy - FICIX - Others? 7. Experience of BGP flap dampening Peter Lothberg 8. Use of BGP DPA community for multihomed sites Peter Lothberg 9. Report from NANOG 10. Peering policy proposed by Ebone 11. European update - Dante - EMPB - EUnet - Ebone - BT - Pipex - Others? 12. EOF marketing 14. AOB 15. Next meeting. --Peter

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RIPE 22 - Agenda: draft 2
by k13＠nikhef.nl 08 Oct '95

08 Oct '95

Dear RIPE meeting participants, find below the second draft of the meetings agenda. Changes: + The EOF meeting on 11 October will start at 11:00h (request from the EOF Chair). Refreshments will be available from 10:30h. + 2 More points have been added to the plenary session agenda. See you, Rob Blokzijl -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Schedule for Working Groups Meetings Start: October 11, 10:30 End: October 12, 12:30 -------------------------------------- 11 Oct +------------+ 09:00 +------------+ 12 Oct | EOF (1) | | Routing | +------------+ 10:30 +------------+ break break +------------+ 11:00 +------------+------------+ | EOF (2) | | Database |Connectivity| +------------+ 12:30 +------------+------------+ lunch lunch +------------+------------+ 14:00 | MBONE | IPv6 | ...plenary session... +------------+------------+ 15:30 break +------------+------------+ 16:00 | LOCAL IR | DNS | +------------+------------+ 18:00 -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Agenda for Plenary session Start: October 12, 14:00 End: October 13, 15:30 -------------------------------------- o Opening and Welcome o Adoption of the Agenda o Minutes 21st RIPE Meeting o Actions 21st RIPE Meeting o RIPE NCC Report on the Contributers Meeting o RIPE NCC Report o Dante Services o Internet Exchanges: - Roma - Moscow o Emerging 34-45 Mb international services o Encryption policies on the European Internets o IETF Report o Working Groups Reports o Dates of next Meetings o A.O.B. o Closing

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested
by nick＠dreamy.demon.co.uk 07 Oct '95

07 Oct '95

In message <9510061242.AA19794(a)dxcern.cern.ch> Ben Segal writes: > >I think RIPE should formulate a position statement in this matter and > >send to Council of Europe and EC. > >... > >The Internet society has already sent message to US government arguing > >against the clipper chip and I guess ISOC could also send such a > >message to the EC and the council. > > I fully agree with this, Frode. > ISOC has a (small) presence at the massive Telecom'95 exhibition being held > right now in Geneva >From the London Evening Standard ("Business Diary"), 5 October 1995: (Headline: AT&T condemns Internet policing) "US Telecoms goliath AT&T has launched a stinging attack on American and European politicians who are seeking to regulate the Internet. AT&T chief strategist Dick Bodman warned governments that interference would deter business and `slow down a magnet of creative activity by companies and individuals who are providing a catalyst for huge changes within the communications industry'. Bodman, speaking at the Telecoms 95 Exhibition in Geneva, referred to a variety of pressures building up at government and intergovernmental level. These include moves to impose conditions on companies seeking to provide Internet services, to specify common technology standards that would prevent new competitors from entering the market or coming up with new ideas, and to grant exclusive franchises to some companies to operate on world networks unfettered by competition. Bodman concedes that while pornography remains a real problem, commercial and other security issues could be worked out through co-operation between private firms. Even when it comes to such questions as pornography, Bodman believes that the solution probably lies in allowing consumers an option of "blanking out" what they do not want to see. `The Internet and related networks came about because people found an unregulated way to swap information and come up with new ideas without recourse to the authorities. To that extent, the Internet is an expression of the people,' he says." I, personally, remain unconvinced that a longer term goal of corporations such as AT&T is not to eat the RIPE and any similar not-for-profit expressions of the people involved in the operation of the Internet, but in the short term some joint approach with such powerful potential allies on these regulation issues may be useful. -- * nick(a)dreamy.demon.co.uk * nick.reid(a)demon.net *

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RIPE22: terminal room
by RIPE NCC Staff 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

Terminal-room facilities during the RIPE-meeting. ------------------------------------------------- Time allowing, we will provide a terminal room during the RIPE meeting. There will be a number of ASCII terminals connected to a terminal-server (hef-ts1.nikhef.nl or hef-ts2.nikhef.nl), which will allow for telnet access. We will also provide ethernet tap points for laptop computers, using 10baseT ethernet. Unfortunately, Apple localtalk access cannot be provided, sorry. If 10base2, AUI or 110V is required, please send mail to <ncc(a)ripe.net> b e f o r e thuesday. If time allows, I will try to bring up an experimental DHCP server. In any case, a limited number of static IP addresses will be available & can be applied for at the registration desk. People that need to have access lists changed should allow access from 192.16.199.0/24 and 192.16.192.0/24. Printer access will be provided via an uuencoded-file-via-mail gateway. Hope this helps, Geert Jan

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested
by ben＠dxcern.cern.ch 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

in net security >I think RIPE should formulate a position statement in this matter and >send to Council of Europe and EC. >... >The Internet society has already sent message to US government arguing >against the clipper chip and I guess ISOC could also send such a >message to the EC and the council. I fully agree with this, Frode. ISOC has a (small) presence at the massive Telecom'95 exhibition being held right now in Geneva - in fact I and a group of volunteers from the newly formed ISOC Geneva Chapter are running the ISOC stand in the exhibition. I will see if I can get this matter raised, at least in question-times and maybe other contacts, with some people that may be able to help. In particular there is a weekend sub-conference called "Internet@Telecom'95" tomorrow and Sunday which would be a good forum. By the way, it would be nice if ISOC had more European Chapters - so far only Geneva, Norway, Israel and Catalonia have formed anything. Our influence in Europe depends on our presence. Where are the big countries in all this? Ben

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RIPE22: Agenda
by RIPE NCC Staff 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

Dear RIPE meeting participants, Below you will find the schedule for working groups meetings and the agenda for the plenary session. As always, they are proposals: please let us know of any changes and/or additions you might want to propose, at <ncc(a)ripe.net>. -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Schedule for Working Groups Meetings Start: October 11, 09:00 End: October 12, 12:30 -------------------------------------- 11 Oct +------------+ 09:00 +------------+ 12 Oct | EOF (1) | | Routing | +------------+ 10:30 +------------+ break break +------------+ 11:00 +------------+------------+ | EOF (2) | | Database |Connectivity| +------------+ 12:30 +------------+------------+ lunch lunch +------------+------------+ 14:00 | MBONE | IPv6 | ...plenary session... +------------+------------+ 15:30 break +------------+------------+ 16:00 | LOCAL IR | DNS | +------------+------------+ 18:00 -------------------------------------- 22nd RIPE Meeting Preliminary Agenda for Plenary session Start: October 12, 14:00 End: October 13, 15:30 -------------------------------------- o Opening and Welcome o Adoption of the Agenda o Minutes 21st RIPE Meeting o Actions 21st RIPE Meeting o RIPE NCC Report o RIPE NCC Financial Report o Dante Services o Internet Exchanges: - Roma - Moscow o IETF Report o Working Groups Reports o Dates of next Meetings o A.O.B. o Closing

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Re: RIPE22: Agenda - on escrow in europe - plz ignore if not interested in net security
by ben＠dxcern.cern.ch 06 Oct '95

06 Oct '95

>It is very sad that the EC has such incompetent technical advice. So what's new ??? Ben Segal / CERN

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Hostcount Graphics Available
by Mirjam Kuehne 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Dear all, There is now also a graphical version of the hostcount available, one file shows the monthly increase and the other the increase per quarter. You can find the files under: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps As you have probably already noticed, my previous mail contained a slight but significant error: The zone in the de domain had of course not 65,000 SOA RR's but 65,000 A RR's listed. Sorry about that. Kind regards, Mirjam RIPE NCC

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Hostcount for September 1995
by Mirjam Kuehne 05 Oct '95

05 Oct '95

Dear all, Here is the hostcount for September 1995. The table shows an increase since last month of almost 57,000 (or 3.2%) to a total of over 1,830,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe. This comes to a total increase of 18.1% during the last three months. The UK shows the highest increase for August with more than 17,000 hosts more than in August. The de domain shows a decrease of over 40,000 hosts. The zone that listed 65,000 SOA records and caused a very big increase in the de domain in July has changed again and shows only two hosts. The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Aug 31 1995 This Count : Sa Sep 30 1995 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 4 1 0 1 0 am 4 64 2 62 0 at 960 50827 1716 49111 + 2877 az 3 15 0 15 - 1 be 774 27613 728 26885 + 2151 bg 51 821 45 776 + 148 by 4 8 0 8 + 3 ch 814 77273 640 76633 + 7167 cy 20 283 8 275 + 83 cz 318 19575 300 19275 + 3059 de 4770 413460 11608 401852 -40325 dk 725 43413 831 42582 + 2812 dz 2 16 0 16 0 ee 115 3109 39 3070 + 296 eg 8 296 10 286 + 61 es 797 39964 427 39537 - 2613 fi 1099 136620 3300 133320 +15669 fo 14 471 0 471 0 fr 1949 125906 2685 123221 + 6491 gb 1 31 0 31 + 1 ge 9 12 0 12 - 28 gr 320 7277 537 6740 + 172 hr 113 2789 500 2289 + 96 hu 180 12793 252 12541 + 661 ie 124 10400 95 10305 + 248 il 473 22131 319 21812 + 7307 is 133 7908 80 7828 + 612 it 1879 62586 4661 57925 + 5055 li 12 47 0 47 0 lt 29 329 1 328 + 43 lu 79 1690 21 1669 + 70 lv 33 871 29 842 - 184 ma 1 0 0 0 0 mk 11 104 21 83 + 7 mt 2 6 3 3 0 nl 1314 155437 2309 153128 + 8798 no 1434 77518 2806 74712 + 3612 pl 685 20538 1600 18938 + 2275 pt 285 10766 1015 9751 + 634 ro 91 1213 34 1179 + 55 ru 381 7559 592 6967 + 1881 se 1971 127711 4018 123693 + 7592 si 143 4030 135 3895 + 311 sk 108 2618 44 2574 + 96 su 360 9298 411 8887 + 374 tn 3 71 2 69 0 tr 155 4982 90 4892 + 1269 ua 135 2233 404 1829 + 199 uk 6410 412682 32659 380023 +17674 va 1 1 0 1 + 1 yu 3 0 0 0 0 ============================================================ 29309 1905366 74977 1830389 +56709

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reminder: RIPE22 announcement
by RIPE NCC Staff 04 Oct '95

04 Oct '95

Dear RIPE interested people and local registry contacts, Here goes the reminder of the RIPE meeting that will be held next week, Wed 11 Oct - Fri 13 Oct. If you are interested, you are still welcome to join. The agenda is not known yet, but the global structure of the meeting will be as the previous ones: Working group meetings at Wednesday afternoon/Thursday morning and a plenary on Thursday afternoon/Friday morning. Also, the fact that we have heard nothing from our beloved EOF chairperson is a strong indication that there will be an EOF meeting Wednesday at 09:00 :-) Any other information on the RIPE meeting can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/Next-meeting. IF it is not there, then <ncc(a)ripe.net> will be glad to help you out. We hope to see you in Amsterdam. Roderik Muit RIPE NCC ----- R I P E meeting announcement ============================ (This announcement can also be viewed using "finger meeting(a)ncc.ripe.net") This is to announce that the 22nd RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 11th October, 1995 begin: 14:00* 12th October, 1995 13th October, 1995 end: 16:00* * these times may change. Also, it is likely that there will be an EOF meeting at 11th October, 09:00. Venue: CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands Host: NIKHEF Registration: Please use the registration form (which will follow in a separate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. General Information: -------------------- Currency: 1 UK pound = Hfl 2.5 1 ECU = Hfl 2.1 1 US$ = Hfl 1.6 Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ <> directions to the meeting place Documents to follow (separate mail messages): --------------------------------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> registration form for attendance at the meeting ================================================================== CWI - The RIPE meeting venue: How do I get there? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To ease any possible confusion, two postscript maps can be found in the RIPE document store. One shows the bus and tram stops around the meeting site and the other is a more general map of the area. Both maps are available by ftp: ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps.Z ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local-transport-map.ps.Z *PLEASE NOTE: The number 69 and 169 now end at Amstel station rather than Muiderpoort station. The number 15 now connects the Amstel station with Muiderpoort station. a) Recommended public transport route from Amsterdam Schipol airport: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station (Amsterdam CS). Then from Amsterdam Central Station : <> Take tram number 9 till the stop at the intersection of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride). The stop is just before the intersection. <> Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and follow the signs to the meeting (15 min walk all together). Instead of walking down Kruislaan you can take the shuttlebus for 2 stops. Turn into Kruislaan and the bustop is a little way down on the right hand side of the road. or from Central Station you can: <> Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66 which stops outside CWI. b) Alternatively from Amsterdam Schipol: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the RAI station in Amsterdam. (These are the 'stop trains' to Lelystad, Utrecht or Amersfoort.) NOTE: Amsterdam Central Station (CS) is on another line. Then from the RAI station: <> From the RAI station take the city bus number 69 or CN bus number 169 in the direction `Amstel Station'. From the Amstel Railway Station <> From the Amstel station take the city bus number 15 the direction `Muiderpoort Station' to the stop on the corner of Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg (15 min ride, ask the driver where to get off) or proceed to 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66. You can also take the shuttlebus 66 from the Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg intersection as described above. d) Taxi from the airport <> Takes 15 mins and will cost approximately Hfl. 60.00 e) Connections away <> Tram 6, 10 to Leidseplein (now with conductor on tram) Tram 9, 14 to Rembrandtplein and Dam Square (9 goes to Central Station) ==================================================================== Public Transport - how much does it cost and where can I get tickets? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets of 15 strips (`Strippenkaart' costing Hfl. 10.75) can be bought in Post Offices, railway stations and cigarette shops. Tickets of 2 and 3 strips can be bought on the bus or the tram but they are much more expensive. You have to validate the ticket yourself in the metro stations and in the trams (except on lines 4, 6, 7, 10, 12 and 13). In the buses the driver will validate the ticket. Amsterdam is divided into zones: the old city is in zone `Centrum' whereas CWI is in zone `Oost'. You need to count how many zones you will be travelling through (from the centre - CWI is 2 zones) and count up that number of strips on your ticket + 1 extra. So in the above example you will need to stamp the 3rd strip. In case of overflow you stamp the last strip of the first ticket and start counting the remaining strips on the next ticket. Confused? Ask any member of the local organizing committee. Warning: BEWARE of pickpockets in crowded places. --------------------------

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