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Re: Re: SIRCE Funding Message
by RIPE NCC Billing Department 15 Nov '96

15 Nov '96

Dear Olle F. Wallner, Thank you for committing to fund the SIRCE pilot project. We have received your data as follows: <zilch> Unfortunately there has been an error in your registration: --- Position not specified. (%POS) --- Please re-send your registration after correcting the error. If you have any questions, please contact <billing(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Roderik Muit RIPE NCC Billing Department > >Please use the form below to make commitments and pass this message on >to those who might be interested to participate. Of course I will be >happy to answer any questions you may have. > >With thanks in advance for your support > >Daniel Karrenberg > >------ > >%START > >%FORM [sirce9601] > >I herby commit to contribute the ECU amount indicated to the >SIRCE pilot project as defined in ripe-150 and the documents >it refers to. I confirm that I have authority to commit >my organisation for this contribution. I expect to be invoiced >for this contribution as soon as the project will have started. > >Please put information between the brackets. > >Please give your full name. > >%NAME [ Olle F. Wallner ] > >Please give your position in the organisation. > >%POS [ ] > >Specify the registry ID of your organisation if it has one. > >%REGID [ se.swipnet] > >If you have *not* specified a registry ID above, please give the >full organisation name and billing address. We will contact >you for more details if necessary. > >%ORGNAME [ ] > >%ADDRESS [ ] > >Committed amount in ECU. Minimum is ECU 500. Excludes VAT where applicable. > >%AMOUNT [ 1000] > >Any billing reference that you may wish to be mentioned on the invoice. > >%BILLREF [ ] > >%END

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Re: SIRCE Funding Message
by Olle F. Wallner 15 Nov '96

15 Nov '96

Tele2 commits to the funding at ECU 1,000. --Olle At 13:23 05/11/96 +0100, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: > >Dear Contributor, > >The RIPE NCC has proposed to execute a pilot project to provide Security >Incident Response Coordination in Europe (SIRCE) starting in early 1997. >In the past this has sometimes be called the Euro-CERT. We made this >proposal assuming that there is a need for such a service among the >European ISPs, i.e. the current customers of the RIPE NCC. Now that >the proposal has been published as document ripe-150, we ask you to >examine it and to commit a financial contribution to the pilot in 1997. >The benefits for those contributing include: > > - Preferred Service > Non-paying customers will only receive service if there is > no outstanding work for paying customers. > > - Influence > Paying customers will determine the general direction, > the policies and the services of SIRCE. > > - Credit > The level of your contribution will be publicly acknowledged. > >The minimum contribution is ECU 500 and there is no maximum. >As explained in the proposal we are looking for an average contribution >around ECU 1000. The contributions will be invoiced once the project >has definitely started. If the project is oversubscribed the amounts >invoiced will be reduced pro rata. Should there be insufficient >commitments to fund the project, we will withdraw our proposal. The >deadline for contributions is November 27th 1996. Until then we will >regularly publish the commitments already made. > >Please use the form below to make commitments and pass this message on >to those who might be interested to participate. Of course I will be >happy to answer any questions you may have. > >With thanks in advance for your support > >Daniel Karrenberg > >------ > >%START > >%FORM [sirce9601] > >I herby commit to contribute the ECU amount indicated to the >SIRCE pilot project as defined in ripe-150 and the documents >it refers to. I confirm that I have authority to commit >my organisation for this contribution. I expect to be invoiced >for this contribution as soon as the project will have started. > >Please put information between the brackets. > >Please give your full name. > >%NAME [ ] > >Please give your position in the organisation. > >%POS [ ] > >Specify the registry ID of your organisation if it has one. > >%REGID [ ] > >If you have *not* specified a registry ID above, please give the >full organisation name and billing address. We will contact >you for more details if necessary. > >%ORGNAME [ ] > >%ADDRESS [ ] > >Committed amount in ECU. Minimum is ECU 500. Excludes VAT where applicable. > >%AMOUNT [ ] > >Any billing reference that you may wish to be mentioned on the invoice. > >%BILLREF [ ] > >%END > >

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SIRCE: Action Needed !
by Daniel Karrenberg 14 Nov '96

14 Nov '96

Dear customers, dear colleagues, I have received quite some questions in response to my funding call for SIRCE. The following FAQ is a summary of the most popular ones. Unfortunately the amount of funds committed so far is a bit disappointing in the light of interest expressed earlier. If people are unhappy about the proposal or any other aspect, please let me know. We cannot fix it if we are not told. Thanks for your consideration. Daniel Karrenberg Q: I have had no time to read all the documents; can you please summarise what SIRCE is? A: SIRCE is a *coordination* service for security incident handling in Europe. SIRCE will *coordinate* the handling of incidents involving more than one of its customers. The *handling* of the incidents itself is performed by the organisations involved and *not* by SIRCE. In addition SIRCE will provide general support services to enable its customers to better handle security relevant incidents. The target customers for SIRCE, as proposed by the NCC, are the European ISPs. SIRCE services and policies will be geared towards ISP needs. Q: Do I need to set up my own Incident Response Team (IRT) in order to use SIRCE services. A: No, you can continue handling incidents like you do at present. SIRCE customers will just be asked to identify contact persons for security incident handling coordination. If you wish, SIRCE will provide support to set up an IRT or to otherwise improve your incident handling capability. Q: What makes SIRCE different from services like the CERT CC? A: SIRCE has local focus because it concentrates on Europe and the ISPs needs in particular. Of course SIRCE will coordinate on a global scale through similar organisations like the CERT CC. Q: Will SIRCE publish details or statistics about incidents in a way that reveals that my organisation was involved? A: No. Sirce will not publish details identifying customers involved without explicit permission. While detailed policies about statistics will be established with input from all customers during the pilot, we do not expect to publish statistics revealing the incident rate of individual customers. Q: Will SIRCE disclose details about incidents and/or my operational procedures to other customers? A: No. Again the detailed policies will be developed during the pilot. We expect these policies to be very conservative. They are likely to prefer direct information exchange between customers handling an incident if sensitive areas are involved. Q: When will SIRCE start operating? A: The project will start in Q1/97 and achieve initial incident coordination capability 2-3 months later. Q: What can I do to help make this happen? A: Commit a contribution to the funding of pilot operations in 1997. The minimum contribution is 500ECU. We are loking for an average of around 1000 ECU. This commitment is for 1997 only and there is no further obligation. Please use the form below for making commitments. Q: What are the benefits if I contribute? A: Direct benefits are preferred service, influence on policies and public credit. An important indirect benefit is that security incidents are well coordinated by an entity that looks after ISPs needs first. Q: Am I bound to my commitment if TERENA decides to execute SIRCE differently than proposed in ripe-150? A: No. The commitment is specifically for the project proposed in ripe-150. If a different proposal is preferred by TERENA, we will provide information about it and it is up to you to decide whether you want to get involved. Q: Which total commitment is necessary for the NCC to do SIRCE? A: The total budgeted expenditure in 1997 is 286kECU. The commitments from the ISP community are needed both to raise the funds necessary for a successful service and to document that the ISPs have a need for it. If the total commitment by November 27th is less than 100kECU there is not sufficient need and the NCC will withdraw. If there are commitments for 150kECU or more the project can go ahead since we expect additional commitments from new NCC customers and funds raised by TERENA. If the total will be between 100kECU and 150kECU it will depend on the distribution of the commitments. Q: What commitments have been received to date? A: Not many, especially when considering the interest expressed earlier. The table below shows all commitments in the order we received them. We will re-publish this list whenever it changes significantly. regid org name commit (ECU) se.pi pi.se AB Pontus Ekman 1000 at.aconet ACONET Wilfried Woeber 1000 es.rediris RedIRIS-CSIC Victor Castelo 1000 pl.cyfronet Academic Computer Centre, Karol Franczak 500 CYFRONET-KRAKOW ---- Total: 3500 ==== Q: How can I get more information? A: Document ripe-150 is the project proposal. ripe-149 is a position paper arguing why the RIPE NCC should execute the project. The service descriptions are in ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/misc/cert-eu.ps. Further questions can be addressed to Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg@ ripe.net>. ----- Please send the form below to <billing(a)ripe.net>: %START %FORM [sirce9601] I herby commit to contribute the ECU amount indicated to the SIRCE pilot project as defined in ripe-150 and the documents it refers to. I confirm that I have authority to commit my organisation for this contribution. I expect to be invoiced for this contribution as soon as the project will have started. Please put information between the brackets. Please give your full name. %NAME [ ] Please give your position in the organisation. %POS [ ] Specify the registry ID of your organisation if it has one. %REGID [ ] If you have *not* specified a registry ID above, please give the full organisation name and billing address. We will contact you for more details if necessary. %ORGNAME [ ] %ADDRESS [ ] Committed amount in ECU. Minimum is ECU 500. Excludes VAT where applicable. %AMOUNT [ ] Any billing reference that you may wish to be mentioned on the invoice. %BILLREF [ ] %END

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Re: Request for subscription to the mailing list
by Roderik Muit 12 Nov '96

12 Nov '96

Dear people, Even though almost all people subscribed to ripe-mailinglists are service providers and/or experienced Internet users, there appears to be a number of people having some difficulty with the concept of mailinglists. In the past 2 weeks, we have seen about 6 messages of people wanting to be subscribed to a mailinglist, sent to either <local-ir(a)ripe.net> or <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>. These addresses are the addresses of the lists themselves. Messages to these addresses go to everyone on this list. Messages like 'subscribe me' should therefore NOT go to these addresses. If you want to (un)subscribe you can use one of the following addresses: <majordomo(a)ripe.net> (except for closed lists like 'local-ir' and 'ncc-co') <ncc(a)ripe.net> <owner-[LISTNAME](a)ripe.net> <postmaster(a)ripe.net> but sending those messages to (all recipients of) the list makes no sense. Thank you.

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by Bruno Dias 08 Nov '96

08 Nov '96

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07 Nov '96

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Hostcount for October 1996
by Mirjam Kuehne 07 Nov '96

07 Nov '96

Dear all, Here is the hostcount for October 1996. The table shows an increase since last month of almost 70,000 (or 2.1%) to a total of almost 3,360,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe. Italy shows the highest increase for October with more than 20,000 hosts more than in September. The numbers for the UK dropped siginificantly. We don't know yet why. Please note that there was a mistake in the hostcount for September: The CHANGED column for GR and TR showed wrong numbers. This also effected the total delta. Here are the correct figures: CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ .. gr 432 10610 556 10054 - 220 tr 429 10613 590 10023 + 1091 ... ============================================================ 112312 3510565 220465 3290100 +179871 I am sorry for this mistake. The latest hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/ I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: at Gerhard Winkler <winkler(a)cc.univie.ac.at> be Herman Moons <Herman.Moons(a)CS.kuleuven.ac.be> ch Marcel Schneider <hostmaster(a)nic.ch> cy Panagiotis Tzounakis <pj(a)ics.forth.gr> cz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Robert Martin-Legene <robert(a)dknet.dk> es Jose Sanchez-Seco <jose.sanchez(a)rediris.es> fi Petri Ojala <ojala(a)eunet.fi> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> hr Ivan Maric <Ivan.Maric(a)stribor.srce.hr> hu Gabor Kiss <kissg(a)sztaki.hu> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)dalkey.hea.ie> il Sason Levi <sason(a)NetVision.net.il> it Antonio_Blasco Bonito <bonito(a)nis.garr.it> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Irek Neska <irek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <fccn(a)dns.pt> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Ivan Lescak <Ivan.Lescak(a)Slovakia.EU.net> Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Antonio_Blasco Bonito <bonito(a)nis.garr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Mon Sep 30 1996 This Count : Thu Oct 31 1996 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 5 81 0 81 + 2 am 8 199 6 193 - 8 at 3364 92139 11203 80936 + 1284 az 4 19 0 19 + 2 be 3249 62320 2381 59939 +13403 bg 121 3116 137 2979 + 262 by 16 209 9 200 + 56 ch 5959 125454 6179 119275 + 5472 cy 130 1060 14 1046 + 146 cz 1370 40330 1315 39015 + 2595 de 21481 693821 41258 652563 + 832 dk 3452 101338 6737 94601 + 3028 dz 2 18 0 18 - 3 ee 442 8149 225 7924 + 541 eg 85 1796 60 1736 + 81 es 2990 102839 1617 101222 + 7717 fi 3220 314195 5004 309191 -12520 fo 23 89 0 89 + 1 fr 5208 234796 7612 227184 +17768 gb 2 40 0 40 0 ge 13 169 2 167 + 6 gr 657 16016 762 15254 + 5200 hr 413 4768 733 4035 + 392 hu 789 29046 786 28260 + 1418 ie 1248 25415 453 24962 + 1153 il 1747 51352 3383 47969 + 3606 is 274 10577 113 10464 + 17 it 6763 163830 11616 152214 +20886 li 80 255 71 184 + 18 lt 164 1748 95 1653 + 219 lu 243 4108 744 3364 + 524 lv 118 4976 250 4726 - 469 ma 27 501 65 436 + 28 md 11 22 2 20 + 2 mk 20 225 14 211 0 mt 56 472 69 403 + 88 nl 8510 241030 8741 232289 + 4838 no 4851 147180 5666 141514 + 8661 pl 1872 50373 2232 48141 + 3976 pt 755 21128 687 20441 + 1114 ro 384 4931 164 4767 + 398 ru 1719 39316 2990 36326 + 2959 se 9092 239339 13397 225942 +15859 si 566 13424 1060 12364 + 940 sk 368 7435 365 7070 + 598 sm 10 667 303 364 + 30 su 569 18532 853 17679 + 1582 tn 4 45 3 42 - 2 tr 539 13146 517 12629 + 2606 ua 292 7269 1274 5995 + 937 uk 31468 697703 98605 599098 -49118 va 2 5 0 5 0 yu 125 1478 31 1447 - 539 ============================================================ 124880 3598489 239803 3358686 +68586

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New Document available: RIPE-145
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 06 Nov '96

06 Nov '96

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-145 Title: RIPE NCC Contributors Committee, 1996 Annual Meeting, Minutes Author: D. Karrenberg, R. Muit Date: 6 November 1996 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: Short content description ------------------------- These are the *draft* minutes of the 1996 annual meeting of the RIPE NCC Contributors Committee. All contributors please take not and direct any comments or corrections to me. I apologise for the delays in preparing these minutes. Work items generated by this meeting and the RIPE meeting a week later plus a lot of unexpected work kept me quite busy. Daniel Karrenberg Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-145 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-145.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-145.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-145.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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SIRCE Funding Message
by Daniel Karrenberg 06 Nov '96

06 Nov '96

Dear Contributor, The RIPE NCC has proposed to execute a pilot project to provide Security Incident Response Coordination in Europe (SIRCE) starting in early 1997. In the past this has sometimes be called the Euro-CERT. We made this proposal assuming that there is a need for such a service among the European ISPs, i.e. the current customers of the RIPE NCC. Now that the proposal has been published as document ripe-150, we ask you to examine it and to commit a financial contribution to the pilot in 1997. The benefits for those contributing include: - Preferred Service Non-paying customers will only receive service if there is no outstanding work for paying customers. - Influence Paying customers will determine the general direction, the policies and the services of SIRCE. - Credit The level of your contribution will be publicly acknowledged. The minimum contribution is ECU 500 and there is no maximum. As explained in the proposal we are looking for an average contribution around ECU 1000. The contributions will be invoiced once the project has definitely started. If the project is oversubscribed the amounts invoiced will be reduced pro rata. Should there be insufficient commitments to fund the project, we will withdraw our proposal. The deadline for contributions is November 27th 1996. Until then we will regularly publish the commitments already made. Please use the form below to make commitments and pass this message on to those who might be interested to participate. Of course I will be happy to answer any questions you may have. With thanks in advance for your support Daniel Karrenberg ------ %START %FORM [sirce9601] I herby commit to contribute the ECU amount indicated to the SIRCE pilot project as defined in ripe-150 and the documents it refers to. I confirm that I have authority to commit my organisation for this contribution. I expect to be invoiced for this contribution as soon as the project will have started. Please put information between the brackets. Please give your full name. %NAME [ ] Please give your position in the organisation. %POS [ ] Specify the registry ID of your organisation if it has one. %REGID [ ] If you have *not* specified a registry ID above, please give the full organisation name and billing address. We will contact you for more details if necessary. %ORGNAME [ ] %ADDRESS [ ] Committed amount in ECU. Minimum is ECU 500. Excludes VAT where applicable. %AMOUNT [ ] Any billing reference that you may wish to be mentioned on the invoice. %BILLREF [ ] %END

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Re: The use of high speed (>34Mbit/s) within Europe
by Peter Lothberg 05 Nov '96

05 Nov '96

> At 16:52 04.11.96, Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk wrote: > >I hope this query is a reasonable use of this list. I have been asked to > >come up with a summary of the use of high speed (which means more than E3 - > >34Mbit/s in this context) in Europe. The query really means off campus, > > . . . . . . > > Further to my message of yesterday evening, you might also like to look > at > > http://www.dante.net/ten-34/nn-high-speed.html > > It is surprising how easily you forget what is on your own machine. > > Best wishes, > > Howard > > > Why are planning for the future focused on 34Mbit? It's slow, does not map into SDH (only as VC3, but the same VC3 would also hold a 45Mbps.) It has ben demostrated that it is possible to even build transatlantic 155Mbit circiuts (using native IP over SDH), so why not in Europe? --Peter

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