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Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Philippe-Andre Prindeville 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 16, 16:26, Piet Beertema wrote: > Subject: Re: Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service > Are you kidding? Involving police/government might well become > counterproductive, since their ideas about (computer) security > are often a bit strange, to put it mildly. A clear case is the > proposal recently by the Dutch government for making encryption > effectively illegal; needless to say that this led to a storm > of protest and eventually to the withdrawal of the proposal; > and to the even more rapid spreading of PGP.... Sigh. Here in France, encryption devices (including software) are considered as "armes de guerre" -- weapons of war. It is a bit difficult to imagine a division of soldiers invading any country carrying encrypt(1) on diskettes, but nonetheless the requirements for possessing and using encryption mechanisms are the same as for a 7.62mm rifle. (It's also difficult to imagine an army being immobilized because their bicycles were confiscated, but that's another story ;-) War, and the mentality that comes with it, is often opposed to reason. Anyway, let's *not* involve the "authorities" in the CERT -- they are often reactionary. -Philip

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Fw: Re: DANTE CERT Service
by P.Bryant 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

>Claus Kalle <Kalle(a)rrz.uni-koeln.de>: >> My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for >> organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations >> like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like >> EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG >> (United Kingdom) and the others. > >Would that really be a good idea? Those organisations are to my >knowledge purely Unix oriented. Would they be very interested in >pursuing security problems with VAX/VMS, MS Windows and MacOS? No, it >has to be an independent organisation. Actually, it shouldn't even be >related to networking, but to *computing*! > > Best regards, > > /Liman Having been round most of the organisations in our empires perhapse we should think again about government ones? Some the activities we are interested in are illegal so perhapse this also points to police/government or some combination. If it were at that level the funding would not be from the likes of ourselves. Paul. Paul Bryant. Rutherford Lab, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, GB Tel. +44 235 445 267 Fax. +44 235 446 626

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Alf Hansen 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

> > Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to > create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? There is no need for a FIRST-Europe. There should be only ONE FIRST. This was also the conclusion from the Hamburg meeting. Best regards, Alf H

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Claus Kalle 16 Dec '94

16 Dec '94

On Dec 11, 4:44pm, Simon Poole wrote: > Subject: Re: DANTE CERT Service ... > > Why would anybody fund a competitor to provide this service? > > Sorry, but the only way to go is via a trusted, neutral organisation > (Ripe, perhaps Terena). -IF- European level coordination is needed in > the first place, of which I remain unconvinced. Somehow it appears to me that all this discussion comes up because of DANTE's difficult role of being financed mostly by academic network organiz ations (="neutral"?) however DANTE being a competitive service provider. My impression is that the role of providing neutral ground for organizations like CERTs should/can be taken over by federations like EurOpen for Europe and the respective national groups like EurOpen.SE (Sweden), GUUG (Germany), NLUUG (The Netherlands) & UKUUG (United Kingdom) and the others. More info about EurOpen and the others can be found e.g. at http://iaix3.informatik.htw-dresden.de/unix_europen.html Regards, Claus Kalle Board member of the German Unix Users Group -- Claus Kalle, University of Cologne Regional Computing Center i i Systems and Networking Dept. M M The E-Mail: Kalle(a)rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE /I\ /I\ Cologne Phone: +49 221 478 5580 MIIIIIM Cathedral Fax: +49 221 478 5590 MiMiMiM Snail-Mail: Robert-Koch-Str. 10, 50931 Koeln MIMiMiM Germany

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

>From: Harald.T.Alvestrand(a)uninett.no >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:53:13 +0100 > >Some people might doubt that EurOpen can manage to forget its historical >links to EUNet. >... >- The Concert-in-E proposal should be pursued, but the result might > be more of a consultation forum (FIRST-Europe?) rather than > an operational service (CERT-Europe). Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? This sounds similar to proposing an IETF-Europe, just because we can't stand the idea the IETF (and the FIRST) were established somewhere else... But then, I didn't have the time yet to deply dive into this or to attend the recent meetings. So I may be missing crucial bits of information. Thanks, -Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Call for Proposals - Telematics Applications Programme
by martin＠terena.nl 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

(Apologies if you receive this more than once) 15th December 1994 The first TELEMATICS APPLICATIONS Programme Call for Proposals has been issued today. It is being made available simultaneously on paper, World Wide Web and via ftp. You can access the call via WWW at: http://www.terena.nl/telematics/cfp.html or you can retrieve the complete 'Proposers Pack' by ftp from: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-PS.tar.Z (Postscript) ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-RTF.tar.Z (RTF) The closing date for submission of proposals is the 15th March 1995 but outline proposals may be submitted before then. Please see the call for more details. Please let me know if there are any problems accessing these documents but specific queries about the call should be addressed to the European Commission <telematics(a)dg13.cec.be> Due to the nature of the documents, an ascii text version is _not_ being made available. Regards, John

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Full Internet in Belarus
by Sergei Kritsky 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

UNIBEL: Network for Byelorussian Science and Education Full Internet in Belarus December, 1994 Currently the UNIBEL Network joins the most advanced universities, research institutes, government and public ogranizations dealing with science and education. UNIBEL is a result of joint efforts of these institutions and keeps tight contacts with all organizations and persons interested in developing academic and research networking in Belarus. UNIBEL is supported by Ministry of Education and Science of Republic Belarus, State Commitee of Science and Technology and Byelorussian Foundation for Fundamental Research. UNIBEL is involved in several projects intended to develop and improve networking infrastructure in Belarus, such as: - "Research and Development Computer Network of the Republic of Belarus"; - "Networking in Education: Ministry's Computer Network for Administrative Purposes"; - "Electronic Communications in High and Secondary Schools", etc. UNIBEL Network was registered in RIPE in December 1993 and IP numbers were assigned. UNIBEL is full national member of TERENA, EARN and CEENet. Since the begining of December the users of UNIBEL can be provided with full Internet services. Dedicated 9.6 Kbps line Minsk-Warsaw has been established and IP-connection has been put into operation due to great assistance of Polish Academic and Research Network NASK. Additionaly UNIBEL has an access to Internet through EUnet/Relcom network (Moscow) and UARNET (Lvov, Ukraine) via dial-up lines. Dedicated line to Moscow (FREEnet) was ordered and PTT licence was obtained. In future a satellite station will be installed with assistance of Poland (NASK) and CEENet. This satellite connection will replace the dedicated line Minsk-Warsaw. Correspondence to: Andrey Ivanov ivanov(a)ok.minsk.by Sergei Kritsky kritsky(a)ok.minsk.by phone/fax: +7 (0172) 20 61 34

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Visa reminder for 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

Dear RIPE meeting attendees, This letter is intended for all of you who need a visa to come to the Netherlands. Since the Dutch embassies tend to be closed from December 23th to January 1st, I would suggest you apply for a visa as fast as possible. On request, we send you an invitation. In this case, please tell us how many days and which days you are planning to stay. If, after the RIPE meeting, you want to stay some additional days we can invite you for some "technical meetings" after the RIPE meeting. Furthermore, please give also your full name, birth date and passport number. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact me, David Kessens RIPE NCC

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Registration form 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

20th RIPE meeting Registration reservation form Amsterdam, The Netherlands January 25-27th, 1995 %%%%%%%%%%% PLEASE NOTE %%%%%%%%%%% Our handling of ALL meeting registrations has recently been fully automated. To register for the meeting, please complete the registration form and send it to <meeting(a)ripe.net>. PLEASE FILL THIS OUT AS SPECIFIED. Please add in a value in the `box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). Note this is what will be used for your badge if you have requested one and for the attendee list so please take care to fill it in correctly. You will receive a notification message that your request has been processed. If however, you have any questions about the meeting or your registration form, please send your completed form to <ncc(a)ripe.net>. If you are interested in participating in the 20th RIPE Meeting in Amsterdam, would you kindly fill in the attached form. Many thanks, David Kessens RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START PART 1 - Registration 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL (remember this is on list and badge) e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton # NAME [ ] 2) I already have a RIPE badge from a previous meeting. If yes please enter Y in the box below. If no please enter N in the box below. # BADGE [ ] 3) Your Organisation/Institution # ORG [ ] 4) Your e-mail address # EMAIL [ ] 5) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR # CTRY [ ] %END

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Hotels in Amsterdam for 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

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