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Re: Johnson, Farber, Maher and Cochetti
by Jay Fenello 21 May '98

21 May '98

FYI: >Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:00:10 -0400 >To: Dave Farber <farber(a)cis.upenn.edu>, > Roger Cochetti <rogerc(a)us.ibm.com>, > "David W. Maher" <dwmaher(a)ibm.net> <david.johnson(a)counsel.com> >From: Jay Fenello <Jay(a)iperdome.com> >Subject: Re: Johnson, Farber, Maher and Cochetti >Cc: domain-policy(a)open-rsc.org, DOMAIN-POLICY(a)LISTS.INTERNIC.NET > > >At 11:28 AM 5/21/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: >> >>FYI: >> >>http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/Johnson.htm > > >After a quick review, I believe that you have addressed many >of the issues raised in this debate. Thank you for a job well >done, and the hard work that went into it. > >I'll have some additional comments after I have had a chance >to review your proposal in more detail. > > >Regards, > >Jay Fenello >President, Iperdome, Inc. >404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com >

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Cultural Values (was: APNIC's Censorship)
by Jay Fenello 20 May '98

20 May '98

>All property, Karl, is the result of common law. Some, like land or >your chair, have been with us for millenia, so we no longer recognise >that the notion of property itself is an invention -- but naturally it >is. The reason your chair is yours is because of longstanding >convention, and not because the rules of physics require it. > >David Conrad was merely pointing out, rationally, that what gives >APNIC, ARIN, and the IANA itself power is not a law saying "Joe owns >IP addresses" but the fact that providers voluntarily route based on >those number allocations and recognise them. The "property" like >feature of the numbers does not derive from the integers themselves >but because of the fact that people will route them. Given this, the >value is not granted by the government, which does not even have laws >on the allocation of integers, but by the consent of the entire >community. Due to the great success of the Internet, the traditional methods of managing Internet resources are evolving. Some of the questions being addressed in the Green Paper are 1) who is in charge, and 2) what legal jurisdiction(s) should apply. One difficulty in establishing the latter is that legal jurisdictions are directly related to cultural values. I am encouraged by recent information that suggests that the White Paper will embrace the following . . . At 12:25 PM 4/21/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: >In our emerging cyber-world, competition >between ideas and cultural values must also be encouraged, >as it is likely to lead to a new understanding of our >connectedness. Everything we do should encourage this >competition. > >Consequently, I suggest that the proper course of action >is to support a global Internet that gives U.S. Values >the opportunity to compete on an equal footing with other >soveriegn and cultural values. I would like to suggest that, rather than arguing about how things used to be, we start working together to establish how things *ought* to be. For this to happen, the old guard must realize that their success has expanded their historical management roles to include policy issues that have traditionally been in the governmental arena, issues like privacy, free speech, etc. By looking forward, both sides of this debate can work together for the greater common good. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com

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RIPE NCC office closed on Thursday 21st May 1998
by RIPE NCC Staff 19 May '98

19 May '98

Dear Colleagues, Please note that the RIPE NCC office will be closed on Thursday 21 May due to a public holiday. (Ascension day). This means that there will no-one in the office to reply to your e-mail and phonecalls. The office will be open again on Friday 22 May 1998. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE NCC

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Charter for new RIPE "anti-spam" Working Group: Final Draft
by John Martin 18 May '98

18 May '98

Please find attached the final draft of the charter for the proposed anti-spam WG which I plan to present at the plenary on Tuesday or Wednesday for approval. Thanks to James for agreeing to act as chair. Rgds, John -- Charter for new RIPE Working Group: anti-spam Chair: James Aldridge, JA47 1. Aim The problem of "spam" on the Internet is well known to almost all users [Vix98]. Its use (abuse) is increasing and in many cases it can cause severe technical and operational problems to network operators and users; in particular those hosts which are target as email "relays". Since technical measures to combat this network abuse have not been widely deployed, it was proposed at a BoF session on the subject at RIPE 29 [spamBoF98], to form a Working Group which would aim to tackle the problem from two non-technical angles: * To develop a "Code of Conduct" to which ISPs might agree to adhere. It is foreseen that this document might be used as an indication that a signing party would make efforts to ensure that their customers are not responsible for abuse of the network resources of others or that they would be prepared to take actions to combat network abuse. * To make a recommendation as to the feasibility and usefulness of a "Centre for European Network Abuse Resolution (CENAR)". This centre would not handle individual abuse complaints, but might, for example, provide a conflict resolution service if ISPs are unable to resolve issues regarding abuse complaints themselves (for instance an ISP does not co-operate in abuse- complaints matters). The Centre could also help with deployment of technical solutions and might pre-empt governmental regulation through the perception of a degree of "self governance" within the European ISP community. The proposed working group would define the statutes, target audience, workplan and propose a financial model for such a service. 2. Who can participate The work of this group will be carried out principally by email. It is proposed to meet at the RIPE meetings in order to finalise any documents. Participation in RIPE working Groups is open to all. To join, send a message to majordomo(a)ripe.net containing the text: subscribe anti-spam. The first face-to-face meeting will be at RIPE 31. 3. Workplan This charter should be presented for approval at the plenary session of RIPE 30. If approved at the plenary, a Working Group would be formed with the nominated chair. This working group would be expected to work on the two issues in parallel and would aim to have at least some draft documents ready for discussion at RIPE 31. 4. References [spamBoF] Minutes of the BoF session at RIPE 29 entitled, "Deployment of Anti-spam measures". [Vix98] Information on spam / anti-spam tools can be found at: http://spam.abuse.net/ --end John Martin TERENA, Singel 466-468, NL - 1017 AW Amsterdam phone: +31 20 530 4488 ** fax: +31 20 530 4499 ** http://www.terena.nl/ ** Please note new telephone and fax numbers

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RIPE30: PGP key signing
by Chris Fletcher 15 May '98

15 May '98

Summary: PGP key signing - Meet by the registration desk at 17:45 on Monday Prompted by the plan to use PGP authentication in the RIPE database we are holding an informal PGP key signing party. This is just for individuals to sign each others keys NOT for an office signature by the NCC. Ulla Sandberg has kindly offered to run the signing. For more details see... http://www.admin.kth.se/~ulla/pgp/ripe-30.pgp.html Chris.

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by lucky2 15 May '98

15 May '98

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Looking for sites interested in hosting a test-box
by Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC) 14 May '98

14 May '98

Dear colleagues, The Test-Traffic Project group is pleased to announce that 20 test-boxes have been built and are ready to be installed at topologically interesting places around Europe. These test-boxes measure the delays on the network by sending time-stamped packets to each other. More information about the Test-Traffic Project can be found on the home-page of the Test-Traffic Project at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic. If you are interested in hosting a test-box, please start by reading the RIPE documents 168 (version 2.0) and 179, which should contain everything that you need to know about hosting a test-box at your site. Both documents are available from the Test Traffic project home-page. If your site can meet all requirements, please fill out the application form at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/host_testbox.html. If anything is unclear or if your site is interested in hosting a test-box but cannot meet all requirements, do not hesitate to contact us. If you have already expressed interest in hosting a test-box, please fill out the form too. It is our goal to distribute the test-boxes amongst topologically interesting places, while at the same time keeping the location of the test-boxes manageable from an operational point of view. Also note that the number of test-boxes is limited and that the project is still in a pilot phase. This means that we may decide that we will not install a test-box at your site even though you applied for one. There is no deadline for applying. We plan to review all applications in the week after Easter (April 12) and let the interested sites know which sites will receive a test-box. We will continue to accept applications until all test-boxes have been installed. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(a)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Pager: +6.57626855 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ %DCL-E-NOCFFE, unable to locate coffee - keyboard input suspended.

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TNC'98 "Preliminary Programme", 5-8 October 1998, Dresden, Germany
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 May '98

13 May '98

PRELIMINARY PROGRAMME "TERENA Networking Conference 1998" (TNC'98) Dresden, Germany, 5-8 October 1998 "Are You Ready for the Year 2001?" The TERENA Networking Conference 1998 (TNC'98) "PRELIMINARY PROGRAMME" and general conference information is now available via the Web. Please visit the TNC'98 conference Web site for further information at: http://www.terena.nl/tnc98/ For conference registration enquiries please send an email to <tnc98(a)tu-dresden.de> For general enquiries please send an email to <tnc98-sec(a)terena.nl> or contact: TERENA Secretariat Singel 468 NL - 1017 AW Amsterdam The Netherlands Tel: +31 20 530 4488 Fax: +31 20 530 4499 Email: tnc98-sec(a)terena.nl

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RIPE 30: Connectivity & Mbone
by Chris Fletcher 13 May '98

13 May '98

CONNECTIVITY We have 20 Sun workstations providing access to ssh, telnet and web browsers. There will also be the usual 10baseT connections for laptops and the RIPE NCC will bring their 2.4 GHz Digital WaveLan kit. If you have a WaveLan card please bring it with you. Unfortunately we don't have many cards to lend out. DHCP will be available. If you need to open your filters we will be using addresses from KTH's 130.237/16. Connectivity is provided courtesy of KTH NADA (Computer Science) and SUNET. MBONE KTH will be providing multicast coverage of the sessions in Room 1 showing the EOF-wg, routing-wg, lir-wg and Plenary sessions. Regards, Chris.

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RIPE 30 - Agenda (version 2)
by k13＠nikhef.nl 13 May '98

13 May '98

RIPE 30 Meeting May 18-20 KTH - Stockholm Agenda Plenary Sessions (version 2) ----------------------- 1. Opening 2. Adoption of the Agenda 3. Minutes RIPE 29 4. From the Chair 5. Multihoming with NAT's (Ed Kern) 6. IPv4 now, IPv6 when ready (Yakov Rechter) 7. BGP AS Origin Authentication with DNS (Randy Bush) 8. IPng Overview and Status (Bob Hinden) 9. The Internet Atlas (Carl Malamud) 10. Reports from the WG's 11. Reports from the RIPE NCC 12. Next meetings - RIPE 31: September 23-25, Edinburgh - RIPE 32: January 27-29, Amsterdam - RIPE 33: May 26-28 13. A.O.B. 14. Close

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