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Re: RIPE28 Meeting schedule
by Niall.oReilly＠ucd.ie 19 Sep '97

19 Sep '97

Hello Jim, The agenda sequence and timing for the TLD-WG are not yet finalised. If you let me know which issues you particularly want to avoid missing, I may be able to position them to avoid clashing with EIX. No promises. Do let me know. Niall O'Reilly TLD-WG Chair On 18 Sep 97 at 13:42, RIPE NCC Meeting Registration wrote: >Hello Jim, > >Unfortunately it will not be possible. >This is the schedule that has been decided upon and it >cannot be changed. > >Kind regards, > >Naomi de Bruyn > > Jim Dixon <jdd(a)vbc.net> writes: > * On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, RIPE NCC Meeting Registration wrote: > * > * > After taking into account the input from the wg-chairs, > * > the following is the firm schedule for RIPE28. > * > * No chance at all of moving the EIX BOF out of conflict with > * the TLD meeting?? > * > * > 11:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ > * > | Routing | DNS | | TLD | EIX BoF* | > * > 12:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ > * > > * > 14:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ > * > | LIR | IPv6 | | plenary | > * > 15:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ > * > 16:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ > * > | DB | | | plenary | > * > 17:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ > * > * For example, to 16:00 on Wednesday? > * > * -- > * Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net > * tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 > * > * >

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RIPE28 Meeting schedule
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 18 Sep '97

18 Sep '97

Dear Colleagues, After taking into account the input from the wg-chairs, the following is the firm schedule for RIPE28. Wednesday 24 Sep Thursday 25 Sep ---------------- --------------- Room 1 Room 2 Room 1 Room 2 9:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ | | Mbone | | TLD |RPSL trans| 10:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ 11:00 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ | Routing | DNS | | TLD | EIX BoF* | 12:30 +----------+----------+ +----------+----------+ 14:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ | LIR | IPv6 | | plenary | 15:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ 16:00 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ | DB | | | plenary | 17:30 +----------+----------+ +---------------------+ Friday 26 Sep ------------- Room 1 9:00 +-----------+ | plenary | 10:30 +-----------+ 11:00 +-----------+ | plenary | 12:30 +-----------+ 14:00 +-----------+ | | 15:30 +-----------+ 16:00 +-----------+ * European Internet Exchange BoF - Keith Mitchell The schedule will also be published on our website shortly. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting Registration

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Reminder: RIPE28 *new* meeting place
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 18 Sep '97

18 Sep '97

Dear Colleagues, This just to remind you that registration for the RIPE 28 meeting in Amsterdam is still open and that the meetings will *no longer* be held at CWI/the Kruislaan. The address of the new meeting venue is: Park Plaza Rokin 78 1012 KW Amsterdam The Netherlands Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting registration ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START % MTG [ ripe28 ] Please add a value in the 'box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If values are already supplied between the brackets, please delete all values except one. PART 1 - Registration Note this is what will be used for your badge and for the attendee list, so please take care to fill it in correctly. 1) Your name Please enter your name in FULL. First name first, surname last. e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton %NAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 4) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR DE %CTRY [ ] PART 2 - Payment of Registration Fees WARNING!! - Note that sending your credit card information via e-mail is in principle not secure. The payment information will be transmitted in clear via e-mail. If you do not want to do this, please leave your credit card details blank in this form, and send them to us by fax. Please do not forget to mention your name and organisation on the fax, so there will be no risk in us getting confused. Our fax number is: +31 20 535 44 45 1) Method of payment. Payment in advance is greatly preferred. If you wish to pay in cash at the meeting you can also pay in IEP. (please delete all choices except one) %PMETH [in advance; credit card / at meeting; credit card / at meeting; cash ] 2) Type of credit card (please delete all choices except one) %CTYPE [ VISA / American Express / Mastercard ] 3) Card number %CCNUM [ ] 4) Expiry date %CCDATE [ ] 5) Card holders name %CCNAME [ ] 6) Card holders address %CCADDR [ ] 7) Amount to be paid Only meeting ECU = 100, NLG = 220 Meeting plus RIPE dinner ECU = 145, NLG = 320 %AMT [ ] %END

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Re: RIPE NCC in Danger
by Alexandre KRIVINE 16 Sep '97

16 Sep '97

Dear Daniel, As SKYWORLD executive board, we will be proud to contribute in the exec board of RIPE . How does it work? Two people : Alexandre KRIVINE Jean Claude CARLES Regards, Alexandre KRIVINE Directeur Général ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| SKYWORLD SA 98, rue Barrault 75013 PARIS +33 1 53808600 ---------- > De : Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg(a)ripe.net> > A : NCC Contributors <ncc-co(a)terena.nl> > Cc : Reseaux IP Europeens <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; Local Internet Registries in Europe <local-ir(a)ripe.net> > Objet : RIPE NCC in Danger > Date : mardi 16 septembre 1997 14:27 > > > Dear colleagues, > > more than a week ago we have published the RIPE NCC Activity Plan and > Charging Scheme. We have also asked for nominations of persons to serve > on the RIPE NCC Association's Executive Board. Up to now there has been > very little feedback to us and no public discussion whatsoever. A total > of 1 (one) person has been nominated for the Executive Board. Only 13 > of currently 796 contributors have so far registered for the > contributors committee meeting; that is less than 2% of the > contributors. > > I tend to interpret this data optimistically and conclude that you all > are basically happy with what the NCC is doing and how it is done. Thus > you see no point to make the time it takes to take part in the > governance of the RIPE NCC. If this interpretation is true the vote of > confidence is flattering. However it would be very nice to hear it > explicitly rather than implicitly. This would make the NCC stand > stronger and make the concept of industry self-regulation all the more > stronger. > > Given the low number of nominations, there is a real danger now that we > will not be able to elect a strong and competent executive board. It > has become very likely that the executive board will be elected in an > ad-hoc fashion at a meeting of a very few contributors and that there is > no public discussion prior to that election. This bears the danger of > electing persons who do not really have the necessary time and/or > expertise available to them. This will make the NCC weaker. NCC > management needs the executive board as a strong partner in developing > the NCC. > > I am personally quite concerned that the lack of interest in the > governance of the NCC may lead to difficulties in the long run. > Minorities and/or special interests might gain disproportionate > influence. The NCC itself may take up momentum in directions the > majority of the contributors do not want. Once this has happened > it is can be very difficult to correct. The amount of effort needed > to keep something on track is far less than to put it back on track > after it has derailed. > > I urge all of you to take more of an active interest in these matters > and to nominate proficient people to serve on the executive board. > We would also appreciate feedback and discussion about the documents > published, in particular the 1998 Activity Plan and Charging Scheme. > More information can be found at > > http://www.ripe.net/meetings/contrib/ > > which contains meeting details and pointers to the relevant documents > and at > > ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/archives/ncc-co/current > > which contains an archive of the relevant e-mail messages in case you > have missed them. > > Thank you very much for your consideration. > > Daniel Karrenberg > RIPE Community Member > RIPE NCC Manager

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Re: RNA Executive Board elections
by Paul Ridley 15 Sep '97

15 Sep '97

I apologise for what might appear like duplication but I have been informed (thanks to those that told me) that this mail was not sent out in a readable form this afternoon. Therefore to ensure that everybody has a readable version here is this afternoon's mail once more. Dear contributors, As stated in the mail from karel Vietsch, dated 01 September 1997, the received nominations of people to serve on the for the RNA Executive Board will be published on the 8th, 15th, and 22nd of September. In accordance with this these are the nominations received as of 15th September: ----------------------------------------------------- Name: Frode Greisen Affiliation: Ebone A/S (Ebone Inc.) Function: Managing Director History of involvement with European Internet and RIPE NCC: ----------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen is managing director of Ebone Inc. which provides a European IP backbone connecting 78 Internet Service Providers in 30 countries. He has worked with computers since 1963 and with computer networks since 1984. He is a member of the Board of Trustees of the Internet Society since 1992 and served as its treasurer until he was elected chairman of the Society in 1997. He was the president of the European Research and Education Network (EARN) from 1989 to 1995. EARN was an early supporter of the RIPE NCC and provided a substantial part of its funding until the present system with user payment was set up. At the merger between EARN and Reseaux Associee de la Recherche Europeenne (RARE) in October 1994 into the Trans-European Education and Research Networking Association (TERENA) he was elected president of TERENA and he served in that position until May 1995. Frode Greisen was born in 1940 and obtained his M.Sc. in electrical engineering in 1964 and a Ph.D. in solid state physics in 1968 from the Technical University of Denmark. He was at the Technical University of Denmark first as a research assistant and later as an assistant professor from 1964 to 1970, with IBM Denmark from 1971 to 1977 and with the Danish Computing Center for Research and Education from 1978 to 1996. He was acting part time as general manager for the Ebone consortium from 1992 to 1996 when the Ebone Association and the Ebone company were established and he joined the company as a full time employee in 1996. Position and goals regarding the RIPE NCC ----------------------------------------- The RIPE NCC should maintain its neutral position while continuing to provide high quality services to its users. It should be sensitive to user needs but only get involved with activities where the neutrality can be preserved and where it does not unduly compete with its users. The RIPE NCC should be involved in the world wide policies for IP number administration and make sure its user's interests are considered as this administration, including the IANA, is developing. # - # - # As of this date Frode Greisen is the still the only nomination. There is still plenty of time to nominate other candidates and for those that wish to do so I have appended the original mail and nomination template for your use. Regards Paul Ridley *Dear RIPE NCC Contributors, * * As you area aware we are well under way preparing for the establishment of * the new legal organisation for RIPE NCC which is currently dubbed RNA (RIPE * NCC Association). RNA has been discussed for the last few months * and is described in ripe-161. An important body within this organisation * is the Executive Board (EB). The EB governs the RIPE NCC and is * responsible to the members. It consists of 3-5 people. Anyone can serve * on the EB except employees of RNA. * * We are now at a stage where we need to find the constituting EB. Normally * the EB will be elected by the RNA members. Since there are no RNA members * yet, the appropriate group to bootstrap this process is the RIPE NCC * Contributors Committee. Therefore members for the constituting EB will be * elected at the upcoming meeting of the Contributors Committee on September * 23rd. * * There remains the problem to find a number of high quality candidates for * the EB. * * *YOU* are one of those who have to help with this. * * Given that time is short the "three man group" who is tasked to help * establishing RNA will drive this process. They are: * Paul Ridley <Paul.Ridley(a)ripe.net> * Karel Vietsch <Vietsch(a)terena.nl> * Wim Vink <Wim.Vink(a)eu.net> * * The task of these people is to *collect* nominations and it is *not* to * *select* them. They will publish all nominations received. * * If you would like to suggest or nominate someone suitable to serve on the * EB, please send your nomination to <eb-nominations(a)ripe.net>. You may also * direct any questions you may have to this address. * * Besides Paul Ridley, Karel Vietsch and Wim Vink also the following three * persons are available to act as contact points for anyone with questions * related to the EB elections: * Rob Blokzijl <Rob.Blokzijl(a)nikhef.nl> * Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg(a)ripe.net> * Kees Neggers <Kees.Neggers(a)surfnet.nl>. * * * On Mondays 8th, 15th and 22nd of September the committee will publish on * the Contributors Committee mailing list a complete list of nominations * received so far. We hope that the list will then be used for discussion * such that the meeting will be well prepared for the election and the * opinions of those not able to attend the meeting itself can have an * influence. * * We stress that while this is going on, e-mail discussion within the * Contributors Committee is encouraged. Anyone not comfortable with the * procedure above is completely free to use the list itself to nominate * people. The purpose of the procedure is to ensure that the contributors * committee can select from a sufficient number of high quality nominations * on September 23rd, three weeks from now. * * Please help us with this * * * Paul Ridley * Karel Vietsch * Wim Vink * * * ---- * * In order for the contributors committee to have comparable information * about nominees we suggest to provide information in a format similar to * the one below: * * > Name: N.E.T. Worker * > Affiliation: WIE (Worker Internet Enterprises) * > Function: Owner and Technical Director * > * > History of involvement with European Internet and RIPE NCC: * > * > Founded ISP (WIE) in 1995 serving worktown and vicinity. Member of * > contributors committee since 1996 when WIE became a local IR. Active in * > RIPE database working group since 1996. * > * > Position and goals w.r.t. the RIPE NCC: * > * > The RIPE NCC should maintain its neutral position as an organisation * > providing high quality services and credible industry self regulation. * > It should not get involved in activities that do not require neutrality. * > .... * * * *

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RNA Executive Board Elections
by Paul Ridley 15 Sep '97

15 Sep '97

Dear contributors, As stated in the mail from karel Vietsch, dated 01 September 1997, the received nominations of people to serve on the for the RNA Executive Board will be published on the 8th, 15th, and 22nd of September. In accordance with this these are the nominations received as of 15th September: ----------------------------------------------------- Name: Frode Greisen Affiliation: Ebone A/S (Ebone Inc.) Function: Managing Director History of involvement with European Internet and RIPE NCC: ----------------------------------------------------------- Frode Greisen is managing director of Ebone Inc. which provides a European IP backbone connecting 78 Internet Service Providers in 30 countries. He has worked with computers since 1963 and with computer networks since 1984. He is a member of the Board of Trustees of the Internet Society since 1992 and served as its treasurer until he was elected chairman of the Society in 1997. He was the president of the European Research and Education Network (EARN) from 1989 to 1995. EARN was an early supporter of the RIPE NCC and provided a substantial part of its funding until the present system with user payment was set up. At the merger between EARN and Reseaux Associee de la Recherche Europeenne (RARE) in October 1994 into the Trans-European Education and Research Networking Association (TERENA) he was elected president of TERENA and he served in that position until May 1995. Frode Greisen was born in 1940 and obtained his M.Sc. in electrical engineering in 1964 and a Ph.D. in solid state physics in 1968 from the Technical University of Denmark. He was at the Technical University of Denmark first as a research assistant and later as an assistant professor from 1964 to 1970, with IBM Denmark from 1971 to 1977 and with the Danish Computing Center for Research and Education from 1978 to 1996. He was acting part time as general manager for the Ebone consortium from 1992 to 1996 when the Ebone Association and the Ebone company were established and he joined the company as a full time employee in 1996. Position and goals regarding the RIPE NCC ----------------------------------------- The RIPE NCC should maintain its neutral position while continuing to provide high quality services to its users. It should be sensitive to user needs but only get involved with activities where the neutrality can be preserved and where it does not unduly compete with its users. The RIPE NCC should be involved in the world wide policies for IP number administration and make sure its user's interests are considered as this administration, including the IANA, is developing. # - # - # As of this date Frode Greisen is the only nomination. There is still time to nominate other candidates and for those that wish to do so I have appended the original mail and nomination template for your use. Regards Paul Ridley *Dear RIPE NCC Contributors, * * As you area aware we are well under way preparing for the establishment of * the new legal organisation for RIPE NCC which is currently dubbed RNA (RIPE * NCC Association). RNA has been discussed for the last few months * and is described in ripe-161. An important body within this organisation * is the Executive Board (EB). The EB governs the RIPE NCC and is * responsible to the members. It consists of 3-5 people. Anyone can serve * on the EB except employees of RNA. * * We are now at a stage where we need to find the constituting EB. Normally * the EB will be elected by the RNA members. Since there are no RNA members * yet, the appropriate group to bootstrap this process is the RIPE NCC * Contributors Committee. Therefore members for the constituting EB will be * elected at the upcoming meeting of the Contributors Committee on September * 23rd. * * There remains the problem to find a number of high quality candidates for * the EB. * * *YOU* are one of those who have to help with this. * * Given that time is short the "three man group" who is tasked to help * establishing RNA will drive this process. They are: * Paul Ridley <Paul.Ridley(a)ripe.net> * Karel Vietsch <Vietsch(a)terena.nl> * Wim Vink <Wim.Vink(a)eu.net> * * The task of these people is to *collect* nominations and it is *not* to * *select* them. They will publish all nominations received. * * If you would like to suggest or nominate someone suitable to serve on the * EB, please send your nomination to <eb-nominations(a)ripe.net>. You may also * direct any questions you may have to this address. * * Besides Paul Ridley, Karel Vietsch and Wim Vink also the following three * persons are available to act as contact points for anyone with questions * related to the EB elections: * Rob Blokzijl <Rob.Blokzijl(a)nikhef.nl> * Daniel Karrenberg <Daniel.Karrenberg(a)ripe.net> * Kees Neggers <Kees.Neggers(a)surfnet.nl>. * * * On Mondays 8th, 15th and 22nd of September the committee will publish on * the Contributors Committee mailing list a complete list of nominations * received so far. We hope that the list will then be used for discussion * such that the meeting will be well prepared for the election and the * opinions of those not able to attend the meeting itself can have an * influence. * * We stress that while this is going on, e-mail discussion within the * Contributors Committee is encouraged. Anyone not comfortable with the * procedure above is completely free to use the list itself to nominate * people. The purpose of the procedure is to ensure that the contributors * committee can select from a sufficient number of high quality nominations * on September 23rd, three weeks from now. * * Please help us with this * * * Paul Ridley * Karel Vietsch * Wim Vink * * * ---- * * In order for the contributors committee to have comparable information * about nominees we suggest to provide information in a format similar to * the one below: * * > Name: N.E.T. Worker * > Affiliation: WIE (Worker Internet Enterprises) * > Function: Owner and Technical Director * > * > History of involvement with European Internet and RIPE NCC: * > * > Founded ISP (WIE) in 1995 serving worktown and vicinity. Member of * > contributors committee since 1996 when WIE became a local IR. Active in * > RIPE database working group since 1996. * > * > Position and goals w.r.t. the RIPE NCC: * > * > The RIPE NCC should maintain its neutral position as an organisation * > providing high quality services and credible industry self regulation. * > It should not get involved in activities that do not require neutrality. * > .... * * * *

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New Document available: RIPE-165
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 08 Sep '97

08 Sep '97

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-165 Title: RIPE NCC Tax Position for 1998 and Beyond Author: P. Ridley Date: 08 September 1997 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: ripe-161, ripe-164 Short content description ------------------------- At the RIPE NCC contributors meeting in September 1996 the NCC were asked to seek ways in which to minimise the paying of company tax. This document, ripe-165, answers that request within the framework of the proposed new RIPE NCC organisation (hereafter referred to as RNA). This document is a companion document of ripe-161 (The de-facto organisational rules of the RIPE NCC-new organisation). The aim of this document is to detail the tax position of the RNA during its set up phase and during its general operations. The intended audience of this document is the RIPE NCC contributors, the TERENA General Assembly, and any interested parties. Comments to the authors are welcome. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-165 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-165.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-165.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-165.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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New Document available: RIPE-164
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 08 Sep '97

08 Sep '97

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-164 Title: The Financial Separation of TERENA and RIPE NCC Author: P. Ridley Date: 08 September 1997 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: ripe-161, ripe-165 Short content description ------------------------- This document ripe-164 is a companion document of ripe-161 (The de-facto organisational rules of the RNA). The aim of this document is to detail the financial separation of the RNA from TERENA. The intended audience of this document is the RIPE NCC contributors, the TERENA General Assembly, and any interested parties. Any comments to the authors are welcome. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-164 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-164.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-164.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-164.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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New Document available: RIPE-163
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 08 Sep '97

08 Sep '97

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-163 Title: RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 1998 Author: D. Karrenberg, P. Ridley, Date: 08 September 1997 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: ripe-146 Updated by: See also: ripe-162 Short content description ------------------------- This document defines the 1998 RIPE NCC charging scheme. It is based on the same model used in 1997; "RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 1997" (ripe-146). This model was approved at the 1996 contributors meeting and has met with success. Using the 1997 model we have developed the charging scheme presented in section two below. Section three details further steps to implement the scheme. Section four provides details of the reasoning behind this scheme both for the record and those interested. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-163 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-163.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-163.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-163.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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New Document available: RIPE-162
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 08 Sep '97

08 Sep '97

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-162 Title: RIPE NCC Activities & Expenditure 1998 Author: D. Karrenberg, M. Kuehne, C. Orange, P. Ridley Date: 08 September 1997 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: ripe-144 Updated by: See also: ripe-163 Short content description ------------------------- This memorandum describes the activities to be performed by the RIPE NCC and the associated expenditure during the year 1998. The companion document "RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 1998" (ripe-163) describes how the necessary revenue is generated. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-162 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-162.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-162.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-162.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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