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30 Aug '11

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RIPE 63: Online Registration Now Open
by RIPE NCC Meeting Coordinator 29 Aug '11

29 Aug '11

Dear colleagues, Registration is now open for RIPE 63, taking place from 31 October - 4 November 2011 in Vienna, Austria. ------------------------------ Registration ------------------------------ You can register online at: http://ripe63.ripe.net/registration/register/ If you require an invitation letter to travel to Austria, you can request this when you register online. Please check with your local Austrian consulate if a travel visa is needed. ------------------------------ Ticket Costs ------------------------------ A regular week ticket costs EUR 350 if you register and pay at least one full working day before the start of the meeting. The week ticket includes all meeting sessions, coffee breaks and lunches. More information about tickets and costs is available at: http://ripe63.ripe.net/help/how-much-does-it-cost/ ------------------------------ More information ------------------------------ We'll be posting more soon, please check back regularly for updates at: http://ripe63.ripe.net/ Regards, The RIPE Meeting Team RIPE NCC

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NRO NC Call for Nominations – RIPE NCC Service Region
by Axel Pawlik 04 Aug '11

04 Aug '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, There is a call for nominations from the RIPE NCC service region to fill one vacant seat on the Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council (NC). The term of Wilfried Woeber, who was appointed to the NRO NC by the RIPE NCC Executive Board in October 2008, ends on 31 December 2011. The RIPE NCC Executive Board will select one representative from the nominees to serve a three-year term on the NRO NCC beginning 1 January 2012. The decision of the Executive Board will be announced at the RIPE 63 Meeting, which will be held in Vienna from 31 October-4 November 2011. The deadline for nominations is 5 October 2011. Any individual residing within the RIPE NCC service region is eligible for nomination, except Regional Internet Registry (RIR) staff members. Self-nominations are permitted. There is no limit on the amount of terms someone can serve on the NRO NC. All nominees may submit a written statement in support of their nomination for publication on the RIPE NCC website. Other individuals may express support for nominated individuals that will be published on the RIPE NCC website. Details on how to make nominations or expressions of support are available at: http://www.ripe.net/nronc2011-process Expressions of support will also be published on the RIPE NCC website. To find out more about the NRO NC and the election process, please see: http://www.ripe.net/nronc2011 Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC Important Dates: 5 October 2011: Deadline for NRO NC nominations 7 October 2011: Deadline for all confirmed nominations to be posted on the RIPE NCC website 31 October-4 November 2011: Result of selection announced at RIPE 63 Meeting in Vienna

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Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme
by Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hello Simon, Hello Erik, Dear List, >> - linear: An IP address should have a price. An LIR with a /12 allocation >> uses 256 times the resources of an LIR with a /20. This should be >> reflected in the fee. > No, they don't. See above. Of course, they do ;-) IPv4 address space is a scarce and valuable resource now. And a /12 user occupies a lot more that limited resource than a /20 user does. If someone justifies a /12, Internet is obviously a major part of his business (or he's incredibly huge). And more importantly, he uses a major part of the limited resource. A "fee" of EUR 0.002 per IP is more than reasonable. > How about the annual fee, calculated at the end of each calendar year is comprised of: > > - A base RIPE "membership" fee > - A "maintenance" fee for each allocation to the LIR (e.g. EUR 50 per > allocation, like the PI blocks) > - A "allocation" fee for each allocation made in the previous 12 months. I strongly feel that there should be a fee on IP address consumption (e.g. the EUR 0.002/IP Address). I tried to avoid the "per usage" fee as it will make billing more complicated. I personally would not care about EUR 50 per allocation request. > But what about the other objects ? ASN: I would give away ASN for free. We have rules in place that define, when an ASN is justified. The supply of ASN is unlimited for all pratical means. Don't forget": In my proposal, every resource owner will pay at least EUR 500, so this should be covered. Besides, an ASN is not very useful on its own without associated address space. We could follow ARIN: Pay EUR 500 per ASN (and USD 100 per year once per organization). PI space: Just treat it as usual, either have a sponsoring entity, where is just counts as regular IP address space, or become an extra small LIR on your own. IPv6: Have no clear opinion on this. For now, I would give it away for free now and let's discuss the matter, when IPv6 traffic approaches 25% of IPv4 traffic. >> - Major players pay EUR 5500 at most, which will be less than "peanuts" >> for them. > Not necessarily. Okay, most LIRs are also ISPs, but not all. You can't assume > that for an LIR that a bigger allocation means a bigger revenue stream. Let's assume "less than /16" (2012: "large" category) for "major player". So you can justify more than 65k addresses, you have at least 65k services instances allocated to these addresses, which will need some kind of hardware. The EUR 0.002 will NEVER be an important part of your budget. We are a government funded, small "ISP" that's confined to the schoolyard. We're providing services for the schools in our district. The budget of our associated schools exceed EUR 40M/y easily. So don't tell me, that EUR 5k will be a problem for anyone who can honestly justify more than a /16. Just as a reminder, the comparison the RIPE2012 proposal and the ARIN fees: wiwi RIPE2012 ARIN /23 EUR 502 EUR 250 USD 1250 /22 EUR 502 EUR 750 USD 1250 /21 EUR 904 EUR 1750 USD 1250 /20 EUR 1308 EUR 1750 USD 2250 /19 EUR 1716 EUR 2500 USD 2250 /18 EUR 2132 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /17 EUR 2565 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /16 EUR 3031 EUR 2500 USD 4500 /15 EUR 3562 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /14 EUR 4224 EUR 5000 USD 9000 /13 EUR 5148 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /12 EUR 6597 EUR 5000 USD 14000 /11 EUR 9094 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /10 EUR 13688 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /9 EUR 22477 EUR 7500 USD 14000 /8 EUR 39654 EUR 15000 USD 14000 Calculation is simple: EUR 500 + ((log2(#IPv4)-10)*EUR 400+(EUR 0.002*#IPv4). My assumptions were: EUR 15M with 7100 members results in EUR 2100 need per member and per year in average, so a /18+ will pay more than the average share. Having members with less than EUR 500 fee is not useful, commercially. ...a and get me right, please: RIPE does a great job, no doubt. I do NOT want to deplete RIPE of money. Greetings from rainy Switzerland wiwi ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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RE: [members-discuss] idea Christian 'wiwi' Wittenhorst
by Erik Bais 03 Aug '11

03 Aug '11

Hi Jørgen, > Paying for an "object" in a "database" is kindof silly as there are > little or no expenses related to a database itself these days. If it > would be up to me I would get 1x /18 instead of 2x /19 in the > beginning, > but RIPE NCC didn't approve on that. I shouldn't be punished because I > am "saving" resources by using /19s instead of a /18 which was forced > upon me by RIPE NCC. I don't think you understand what the job of the RIPE hostmasters is about. It is not their role (or nature) to punish you, if you motivate why you require specific resources, you will get them (within the policies that are currently in place.) If you didn't provide the correct motivation, sobbing here doesn't make it better. The hostmasters only do their job, as it is our job to discuss and change the policies if we don't agree with the current model. Paying per object does actually reflect somewhat on the amount of labor/time/effort that the RIPE NCC workforce has to deal with you. Just my 2cp. Erik ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses.

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Reminder: Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011
by Paul Rendek 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

[Apologies for duplicate mails] Dear Colleagues, There's just one week left to complete the Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011. Take part online now at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GlobalIPv6survey2011 This survey has been designed by GNKS Consult in collaboration with TNO and the RIPE NCC to further understand where the community stands on IPv6 and what needs be done to ensure that the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. Anyone can participate in this survey and we hope that the results will establish a comprehensive view of current IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey comprises 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments or who have not yet deployed IPv6, there will be fewer questions. The survey will close on 31 July 2011. We thank you for your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please email <info(a)gnksconsult.com>. For more information about the survey and links to previous year's survey results, please see: https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/news/industry-developments/globa… Regards, Paul Rendek RIPE NCC Head of External Relations and Communication

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Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011 Now Open
by Paul Rendek 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

Dear Colleagues, The Global IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey 2011 is now online at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GlobalIPv6survey2011 This survey has been designed by GNKS Consult in collaboration with TNO and the RIPE NCC to further understand where the community stands on IPv6 and what needs be done to ensure that the Internet community is ready for the widespread adoption of IPv6. Anyone can participate in this survey and we hope that the results will establish a comprehensive view of current IPv6 penetration and future plans for IPv6 deployment. The survey comprises 23 questions and can be completed in about 15 minutes. For those without IPv6 allocations or assignments or who have not yet deployed IPv6, there will be fewer questions. The survey will close on 31 July 2011. We thank you for your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please email <info(a)gnksconsult.com>. For more information about the survey and links to previous year's survey results, please see: https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/news/industry-developments/globa… Regards, Paul Rendek RIPE NCC Head of External Relations and Communication

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RIPE NCC closed on Friday 8 July 2011
by Saskia van Gorp 04 Jul '11

04 Jul '11

Dear Colleagues, Our office will be closed on Friday 8 July 2011 due to the annual RIPE NCC Summer Outing. Normal office hours will resume on Monday 11 July 2011. Regards, Saskia van Gorp RIPE NCC Facilities, Administration & Reception Manager

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RIPE NCC Membership and Stakeholder Survey 2011
by Paul Rendek 30 Jun '11

30 Jun '11

[Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear colleagues, We are delighted to report that the RIPE NCC Membership and Stakeholder Survey 2011, which closed on 18 June, received 1,266 responses. These responses will be extremely important in finding out the views of RIPE NCC members and other stakeholders on the direction the RIPE NCC should be taking as an organisation. An independent third party, the Oxford Internet Institute (OII), will conduct the analysis of the survey data. Any information that may identify the respondents will be removed by the OII and will not be made available to the RIPE NCC or published in the report. The results of the survey will be presented at the RIPE 63 Meeting, which takes place in Vienna, Austria from 31 October - 4 November 2011. ============ iPad winners ============ To encourage participation in the survey, the RIPE NCC offered five iPads to respondents. We would like to congratulate the following five people, who were randomly drawn by the OII as the winners of the iPads. - James Blessing, Limelight Networks - Bror-Erik Karlsson, Anvia Registry - David Alldritt, Highnet - Abdullah Alzaher, Arabcircle Internet Services - Sergey Sysoev, Tomsk Polytechnic University We would like to thank all those who took the time to participate in this crucial survey for the RIPE NCC. Best regards, Paul Rendek Head of Communications and External Relations RIPE NCC

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RIPE Whoisserver issue
by yassia savadogo 23 Jun '11

23 Jun '11

Need help to install RIPE whois server What I get executing the command : # src/whois-server -p /opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid -c conf/rip.config Configuration [conf/rip.config]: Whois port: 1 Config port: 2 Mirror port: 3 Lookup port: 4 Update port: 5 for DB-TEST *Running* as root, dropping privileges: getpwnam failed for dbase - Success *** died: +634 modules/sv/server.c *** Backtrace with command line /usr/bin/gdb -q -batch -x /usr/local/whois/conf/gdbcomm --pid=13550 1>&2 [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb70beb70 (LWP 13551)] 0xb775f424 in __kernel_vsyscall () #0 0xb775f424 in __kernel_vsyscall () No symbol table info available. #1 0xb732502b in waitpid () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #2 0xb72c6e63 in ?? () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #3 0xb72c71f2 in system () from /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 No symbol table info available. #4 0xb73e23bd in system () from /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 No symbol table info available. #5 0x08086f55 in do_nice_die (line=634, file=0x80f1f1c "modules/sv/server.c") at modules/th/thread.c:341 buf = "/usr/bin/gdb -q -batch -x /usr/local/whois/conf/gdbcomm --pid=13550 1>&2\n\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\364\277w\267\260}\271\277\270\006\256\t`|\271\277B\222v\267P|\271\277\000\000\000\000D|\271\277D\006\256\t\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\000\002", '\000' <repeats 11 times>"\350, \004\256\t\004\000\000\000\340\000\256\t>\344v\267\364\277w\267\344\304w\267\360\031w\267`|\271\277\000\000\000\000\260}\271\277D|\271\277P|\271\277\000\000\000\000\350\004\256\t\000\000\000\000\260\002\256\t\000\000\000\000\340}\271\277\001\000\000\200\000\000\000\000\302\n9\267\350\004\256\t\000\000\000\000D\256)\267\020ii\rp|\271\277\026\212v\267f\b*\267\024]=\267\330|\271\277\204|\271\277D\212v\267\224g)\267\021ii"... #6 0x080840bc in SV_start (pidfile=0x9abc290 "/opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid") at modules/sv/server.c:634 passwent = 0x0 procuser = 0x9adfc80 "dbase" lenproc = 6 whois_port = 1 config_port = 2 mirror_port = 3 lookup_port = 4 update_port = 5 update_mode = 2 pid_fd = 9 nwrite = 5 tval = {tv_sec = 1308820269, tv_usec = 763583} starttime = "p\373\255\t\300\373\255\t\240\373\255\t$TIMESTAMP whois_rip-$PID/$TID UD-$SEV-$SEVERITY $MESSAGE\n\000\t\000\000\0\260\277!\b\370\301\b\b\230\200\271\277"\b\024\351\016\b\t\004\000\000;\303\006\bx\254!\bF\301\006\b\000\000\000\00 server_pid = "13550\000\255\t \343\016\b\240\345\037\b" ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- source_hdl = 0x0 source_name = 0x81fe138 "\\\331\037\b\370\310w\267" source = 1 db_connection = 0x9adfc20 shutdown_pipe = {134679113, -1078362104} retval = 1 ufds = {fd = 0, events = 32728, revents = -16455} myrlimit = {rlim_cur = 18446744073709551615, rlim_max = 18446744073709551615} #7 0x08063c56 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbfb98194) at whois-server_src/whois-server.c:190 prop_file_name = 0x9abc2b0 "organisation" pid_file_name = 0x9abc290 "/opt/whoisserver/whoisd.pid" result = 0x9abc200 "" c = -1 ret = 135192937 errflg = 0 boot_ctx = 0x9abc200 *** Signal 11 caught by PID 13550, segfault handler starting Erreur de segmentation Savadogo Yassia yassias(a)yahoo.fr

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