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European Hostcount for August 1998
by RIPE NCC Hostcount Maintainer 05 Sep '98

05 Sep '98

Dear All, below is the hostcount for August 1998. The table shows an increase since last month of over 260,000 (or 3.8%) to a total of approximately 7.25 million hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The dk domain shows the highest increase for August with approximately 75,000 hosts more than in July. - Annotations to this Hostcount - cz shows a zero increase. We were not able to arrange the transfer of the data in time. The numbers for cz are therefore identical to last month. Apologies for this. - Other Ways to Obtain the Hostcount - The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html If you are interested in the historic hostcount data, bunyip Information Services has hosted the complete set of data since 1994 under ftp://ftp.bunyip.com/pub/netstats/ripe - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: at Gerhard Winkler <Gerhard.Winkler(a)univie.ac.at> be DNS-BE Registration Office <tech(a)dns.de> ch Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> cz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Morten Christensen <morten(a)dk-hostmaster.dk> es Jose Sanchez-Seco <jose.sanchez(a)rediris.es> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> hr Ivan Maric <Ivan.Maric(a)stribor.srce.hr> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)heanet.ie> il Shuki Kenan <shuki(a)netvision.net.il> it Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> li Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Mirek Luc <mirek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <armando(a)rccn.net> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Robert Stone <robert(a)nosc.ja.net> Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Aug 6 1998 This Count : Sat Sep 5 1998 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== al 10 143 8 135 + 1 am 121 983 159 824 + 41 at 23776 193628 38842 154786 + 2452 az 52 394 20 374 - 16 ba 45 595 46 549 + 79 be 10379 203469 19575 183894 + 2998 bg 581 11311 1248 10063 + 1695 by 103 1024 176 848 + 91 ch 39362 258935 43919 215016 - 1325 cy 618 5164 145 5019 + 50 cz 14585 80846 9717 71129 0 de 151458 1664677 301737 1362940 + 54234 dk 54351 308199 33475 274724 + 74291 dz 6 21 1 20 - 31 ee 1920 22272 1382 20890 + 827 eg 650 2936 195 2741 + 920 es 11037 270986 11636 259350 + 1335 fi 7831 463400 14695 448705 + 9975 fo 119 555 21 534 + 3 fr 25938 488798 34702 454096 + 6943 gb 2 26 0 26 - 1 ge 47 718 37 681 + 83 gr 5354 44363 3549 40814 + 554 hr 1587 12288 2017 10271 + 4107 hu 5882 96091 9059 87032 + 1695 ie 5934 52725 4684 48041 - 775 il 6808 124160 21697 102463 + 6363 is 1350 23315 789 22526 + 806 it 39387 447151 49427 397724 + 39805 li 644 1646 610 1036 - 210 lt 1027 8791 549 8242 + 273 lu 1330 7858 1121 6737 + 18 lv 839 13269 2183 11086 + 1516 ma 221 2106 339 1767 + 22 md 59 631 114 517 + 98 mk 236 1014 105 909 + 221 mt 246 1972 257 1715 + 260 nl 41170 569007 50043 518964 - 14171 no 20289 325563 15630 309933 + 7413 pl 16682 144813 27745 117068 + 6615 pt 6667 58104 7727 50377 + 532 ro 1534 21856 2011 19845 + 252 ru 14363 180824 32610 148214 + 14692 se 28630 421929 25685 396244 + 28802 si 2817 23327 2436 20891 - 528 sk 5200 24247 4409 19838 + 1195 sm 45 237 2 235 + 5 su 1285 28143 1746 26397 - 16011 tn 13 183 103 80 - 28 tr 6793 43742 5073 38669 + 956 ua 1486 28533 8290 20243 + 1598 uk 116240 1573225 224772 1348453 + 26575 va 2 8 0 8 + 1 yu 1619 7655 604 7051 + 443 ============================================================== 678730 8267856 1017122 7250734 +267739

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Internet Policing Seminar on Tue 22nd in Edinburgh
by Keith Mitchell 04 Sep '98

04 Sep '98

The UK Forum of the Association of Chief Police Officers, Internet Service Providers, and Government is presenting three one-day seminars entitled: "Policing the Internet" Working together to address issues and allay concerns These are being held to identify, discuss and address issues relating to policing of the Internet in the UK. In particular, we are developing a partnership process to ensure that criminal investigations involving the Internet are carried out quickly and efficiently with a minimum impact on the business of the industry. While the focus of the seminars is the situation in the UK, many of the issues will apply equally to other European countries, and we hope that you will find it interesting. In particular, one seminar is being held in Edinburgh on September 22nd, the day before RIPE 31 opens and at the same venue. Details are available at <http://www.linx.net/edinburgh/acposeminar.html> Keith Mitchell Executive Chairman London InterNet Exchange keith(a)linx.org Geneva House, 3 Park Road www.linx.net Peterborough PE1 2UX United Kingdom Phone: +44 1733 705000 (fax 353929)

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Internet Administration in the RIPE Area
by Daniel Karrenberg 02 Sep '98

02 Sep '98

Hello, I have written a few personal notes on Internet administration in the RIPE area. Those following the current debate around the issue of establishing a new IANA may find them interesting to read. I'll be happy to receive comments by e-mail. A HTML version can be found at http://www.ripe.net/home/daniel/euro-notes.html A text only version at http://www.ripe.net/home/daniel/euro-notes.txt Daniel

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FYI: RIPE NCC Annual General Meeting
by Daniel Karrenberg 02 Sep '98

02 Sep '98

The official invitation to the RIPE NCC annual general meeting to be held in Amsterdam on October 15th has been sent to all members. A copy can be found at http://www.ripe.net/meetings/contrib/agm1998-announce.html If you work for an NCC member, please help us to make sure this is brought to the attention attention of the responsible people. Thank you Daniel Karrenbger

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RIPE 31 Meeting in Edinburgh - 2nd Reminder
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 02 Sep '98

02 Sep '98

Dear Colleagues, [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] We would like to remind you that the registration for RIPE 31 in Edinburgh on 23, 24 and 25 September 1998, is still open. More information about this meeting and the registration form, can be found on this page: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/mtg.html Please note that pre-payment facilities will close on September 11th. Also please note that the EOF tutorial and the RPSL training course are both covered by the registration fee. Unfortunately due to scheduling problems we've had to plan these two items outside the regular schedule. Registration, therefore will be open from Monday morning on (and continuously for the rest of the meeting). If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <meeting(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting Registrations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday 21 September -------------------- Room 1 9:00 +----------+ 10:30 | | +----------+ 11:00 +----------+ | | 12:30 +----------+ 14:00 +----------+ | EOF | 15:30 +----------+ 16:00 +----------+ | EOF | 18:00 +----------+ Tuesday 22 September -------------------- Room 1 9:00 +----------+ 10:30 | EOF | +----------+ 11:00 +----------+ | EOF | 12:30 +----------+ 14:00 +----------+ | RPSL | 15:30 +----------+ 16:00 +----------+ | RPSL | 18:00 +----------+ Wednesday 23 September ---------------------- Room 1 Room 2 Room 3 9:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ 10:30 | LIR | EIX | Netnews | +----------+----------+-----------+ 11:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ | LIR | EIX | Netnews | 12:30 +----------+----------+-----------+ 14:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ | TLD | Routing | Anti-SPAM | 15:30 +----------+----------+-----------+ 16:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ | TLD | Mbone | | 17:30 +----------+----------+-----------+ Thursday 24 September --------------------- Room 1 Room 2 Room 3 9:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ 10:30 | DB | DNS | IPv6 | +----------+----------+-----------+ 11:00 +----------+----------+-----------+ | DB | DNS | | 12:30 +----------+----------+-----------+ 14:00 +---------------------------------+ | Plenary | 15:30 +---------------------------------+ 16:00 +---------------------------------+ | Plenary | 17:30 +---------------------------------+ Friday 25 September ------------------- Room 1 9:00 +---------------------------------+ | plenary | +---------------------------------+ 11:00 +---------------------------------+ | plenary | 12:30 +---------------------------------+ 14:00 +---------------------------------+ | plenary | 15:30 +---------------------------------+ 16:00 +---------------------------------+ | | 17:30 +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration is also possible and easier online at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/form.html %START Do not change the following field %MTG [ ripe31 ] Please add a value in the 'box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If values are already supplied between the brackets, please delete all values except one. PART 1 - Registration Note this is what will be used for your badge and for the attendee list, so please take care to fill it in correctly. 1) Your name Please enter your first name. First name first, surname last. e.g. John , Mary B. %NAME [ ] Please enter your surname next e.g. Doe %SURNAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) The NCC Reg-id of your Organisation %REGID [ ] (Only if you represent a Local Internet Registry) 4) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 5) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR DE %CTRY [ ] 6) Do you want to attend the Newcomers Orientation Talk ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %INTRO-MTG [ no / yes ] 7) Do you want to attend the EOF Tutorial ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %EOF-TUTOR [ no / yes ] 8) Do you want to attend the RPSL course ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %RPSL-COURSE [ no / yes ] PART 2 - Payment of Registration Fees WARNING!! - Note that sending your credit card information via e-mail is in principle not secure. The payment information will be transmitted in clear via e-mail. If you do not want to do this, please leave your credit card details blank in this form, and send them to us by fax. Please do not forget to mention your name and organisation on the fax, so there will be no risk in us getting confused. Our fax number is: +31 20 535 44 45 1) Method of payment. Payment in advance is greatly preferred. (please delete all choices except one) %PMETH [in advance; credit card at meeting; credit card at meeting; cash ] 2) Type of credit card (please delete all choices except one) %CTYPE [ VISA / American Express / Mastercard ] 3) Card number %CCNUM [ ] 4) Expiry date %CCDATE [ ] 5) Card holders name %CCNAME [ ] 6) Card holders address %CCADDR [ ] 7) Amount to be paid %AMT [RIPE Meeting only; ECU 100 RIPE Meeting plus RIPE dinner; ECU 150 ] Your payment cannot be processed after September 11th, 1998 with this form. You are welcome to send in your personal data with this form to register, but the payment can only be made at the meeting itself on September 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th 1998. %END

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Heads Up: RIPE NCC Membership Meeting
by Daniel Karrenberg 24 Aug '98

24 Aug '98

The first annual meeting of the RIPE NCC membership will be held in Amsterdam on Thursday October 15th 1998. Continuing the tradition of the NCC contributors committee, this meeting will be asked to approve the activity plan, budget and fees of the RIPE NCC for 1999. The documents are expected to be ready for publication by September 14th. This message is intended to allow those interested in attending to reserve the date in their agendas. A formal invitation explaining the registration details will be circulated to the membership soon. Of course the RIPE NCC activity plan will also, as usual, be presented and discussed at the upcoming RIPE meeting in Edinburgh on September 23rd to 25th. Daniel Karrenberg RIPE NCC

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Revised RIPE Document: RIPE-176
by Frederike Ritzema 07 Aug '98

07 Aug '98

Revised RIPE Document Announcement ---------------------------------- Ref: ripe-176 Title: RIPE NCC Articles of Association Updated: 7 August 1998 Format: PS=409735 TXT=90741 Short update description ------------------------ In this document, ripe-176, you can now not only find the English, but also the Dutch version of the Dutch articles of association for the RIPE NCC. The RIPE NCC was formally established when the Dutch version of these articles of association were deposited with the Amsterdam Chamber of Commerce on 12 November 1997. In this translation an attempt has been made to be as literal as possible without jeopardizing the overall continuity. Inevitably, differences may occur in translation, and if so the Dutch text will by law govern. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- The RIPE document store is available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-176.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-176.txt plain text version You can also access the RIPE documents in HTML format via WWW. RIPE-176 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-176.html Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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RIPE 31 Meeting in Edinburgh - Reminder
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 07 Aug '98

07 Aug '98

Dear Colleagues, [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] We would like to remind you that the registration for RIPE 31 in Edinburgh: 23, 24 and 25 September 1998, has been opened. More information about this meeting and the registration form, can be found on this page: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/mtg.html The registration fee of 100 ECU includes refreshments and lunch but doesn't include the RIPE dinner. The admission charge including the RIPE dinner event is 150 ECU. Pre-payment facilities will close on September 11th. *WARNING*: If you still need to find a hotel for the afore mentioned dates, please note that the pre-booked accomodation is about to be released. More information regarding the pre-booked accomodation can be found at: http://www.linx.org/ripe31/hotels.html If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <meeting(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting Registrations ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration is also possible and easier online at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/form.html %START Do not change the following field %MTG [ ripe31 ] Please add a value in the 'box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If values are already supplied between the brackets, please delete all values except one. PART 1 - Registration Note this is what will be used for your badge and for the attendee list, so please take care to fill it in correctly. 1) Your name Please enter your first name. First name first, surname last. e.g. John , Mary B. %NAME [ ] Please enter your surname next e.g. Doe %SURNAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) The NCC Reg-id of your Organisation %REGID [ ] (Only if you represent a Local Internet Registry) 4) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 5) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR DE %CTRY [ ] 6) Do you want to attend the Newcomers Orientation Talk ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %INTRO-MTG [ no / yes ] 7) Do you want to attend the EOF Tutorial ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %EOF-TUTOR [ no / yes ] 8) Do you want to attend the RPSL course ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %RPSL-COURSE [ no / yes ] PART 2 - Payment of Registration Fees WARNING!! - Note that sending your credit card information via e-mail is in principle not secure. The payment information will be transmitted in clear via e-mail. If you do not want to do this, please leave your credit card details blank in this form, and send them to us by fax. Please do not forget to mention your name and organisation on the fax, so there will be no risk in us getting confused. Our fax number is: +31 20 535 44 45 1) Method of payment. Payment in advance is greatly preferred. (please delete all choices except one) %PMETH [in advance; credit card at meeting; credit card at meeting; cash ] 2) Type of credit card (please delete all choices except one) %CTYPE [ VISA / American Express / Mastercard ] 3) Card number %CCNUM [ ] 4) Expiry date %CCDATE [ ] 5) Card holders name %CCNAME [ ] 6) Card holders address %CCADDR [ ] 7) Amount to be paid %AMT [RIPE Meeting only; ECU 100 RIPE Meeting plus RIPE dinner; ECU 150 ] Your payment cannot be processed after September 11th, 1998 with this form. You are welcome to send in your personal data with this form to register, but the payment can only be made at the meeting itself on September 21st, 22nd and 23rd 1998 %END

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European Hostcount for July 1998
by Lee Wilmot 07 Aug '98

07 Aug '98

Dear All, below is the hostcount for July 1998. The table shows an increase since last month of over 180,000 (or 2.8% ) to a total of almost 7,000,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The uk domain shows the highest increase for July with approximately 90,000 hosts more than in June. - Other Ways to Obtain the Hostcount - The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All of this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html If you are interested in the historic hostcount data, bunyip Information Services has hosted the complete set of data since 1994 under ftp://ftp.bunyip.com/pub/netstats/ripe - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: at Gerhard Winkler <Gerhard.Winkler(a)univie.ac.at> be DNS-BE Registration Office <tech(a)dns.de> ch Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> cz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Robert Martin-Legene <robert(a)dknet.dk> es Jose Sanchez-Seco <jose.sanchez(a)rediris.es> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> hr Ivan Maric <Ivan.Maric(a)stribor.srce.hr> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)heanet.ie> il Shuki Kenan <shuki(a)netvision.net.il> it Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> li Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Mirek Luc <mirek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <armando(a)rccn.net> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Robert Stone <robert(a)nosc.ja.net> Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Sat Jul 4 1998 This Count : Thu Aug 6 1998 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== al 10 142 8 134 - 4 am 124 942 159 783 - 35 at 22400 190039 37705 152334 + 17319 az 49 408 18 390 + 3 ba 32 505 35 470 + 31 be 9964 199140 18244 180896 - 1734 bg 516 9186 818 8368 - 707 by 97 931 174 757 - 203 ch 37019 258868 42527 216341 - 4041 cy 602 5090 121 4969 + 129 cz 14585 80846 9717 71129 + 1016 de 140173 1588736 280030 1308706 + 21065 dk 52219 234698 34265 200433 + 1051 dz 5 52 1 51 + 42 ee 1844 21255 1192 20063 - 531 eg 622 2003 182 1821 - 1042 es 10877 273325 15310 258015 + 9656 fi 7228 452609 13879 438730 + 2490 fo 120 555 24 531 0 fr 24879 480310 33157 447153 + 11367 gb 2 27 0 27 + 1 ge 42 635 37 598 + 2 gr 5004 43867 3607 40260 + 2290 hr 1061 7649 1485 6164 - 4017 hu 5682 93953 8616 85337 - 3964 ie 5729 53455 4639 48816 + 2565 il 4289 114315 18215 96100 - 11548 is 1281 22502 782 21720 - 54 it 38097 407734 49815 357919 + 25565 li 601 1880 634 1246 + 57 lt 958 8487 518 7969 + 567 lu 1360 7798 1079 6719 - 75 lv 751 11512 1942 9570 - 52 ma 208 2082 337 1745 + 143 md 56 511 92 419 + 32 mk 221 784 96 688 - 93 mt 239 1703 248 1455 + 29 nl 39194 598147 65012 533135 + 45139 no 19624 317981 15461 302520 + 2658 pl 15348 132030 21577 110453 + 826 pt 6368 57216 7371 49845 + 2032 ro 1463 21617 2024 19593 + 1081 ru 12766 159943 26421 133522 - 8042 se 28389 392773 25331 367442 - 12391 si 2836 23957 2538 21419 + 1145 sk 4935 22851 4208 18643 + 301 sm 42 232 2 230 - 12 su 1040 44123 1715 42408 - 1815 tn 14 212 104 108 + 5 tr 6466 42421 4708 37713 + 386 ua 1361 26661 8016 18645 - 746 uk 112961 1538513 216635 1321878 + 89140 va 2 7 0 7 + 2 yu 1508 7186 578 6608 + 81 ============================================================== 643263 7964404 981409 6982995 +187110

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Plenary Minutes RIPE 30
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 21 Jul '98

21 Jul '98

30th RIPE Meeting Plenary Minutes - DRAFT RIPE 30 Stockholm, 18 - 20 May 1998 Plenary Session Chair: Rob Blokzijl Scribe: Mirjam Kuehne - 1. - Opening Rob Blokzijl opened the plenary session of the 30th RIPE meeting. - 2. - Adoption of the agenda The agenda was approved as advertised. These minutes follow the agenda. - 3. - Minutes RIPE 29 The minutes of RIPE 29 were approved as they had been circulated before the meeting. No comments/additions. - 4. - From the chair The Chair reported on the status of the investigation into setting up a new Regional Registry, in addition to RIPE NCC, ARIN and APNIC. The new registry should cover the Russian Federation and a number of neighbouring countries. See RIPE-167 for the details. The Chair repeated that the guiding principles as laid down in RIPE 167 were: + broad concensus in the communities concerned + a reasonable geographical coverage (i.e. more than one country) + an open process, involving the RIPE NCC community at large. The Chair concluded that none of these requirements have been met. Therefore, the creation of a 4th Regional IP Registry, as described in RIPE 167 is no longer foreseen. The historical special relationship between the RIPE NCC and RosNIIROS will be revisited. - 5. - Ed Kern: Multihoming with NATs http://www.academ.com/nanog/feb1998/nat/index.html - 6. - Yakhov Rekther: IPv4 now, IPv6 when ready Summary of this presentation will be added to these minutes shortly. - 7. - Randy Bush: BGP AS Origin Authentication with DNS http://psg.com/~randy/980519.ripe/ draft-bates-bgp4-nlri-orig-verif-00.txt - 8. - Bob Hinden: Ipng Overview and Status Summary of this presentation will be added to these minutes shortly. Questions: Sean Doran: Who decides who is a transit provider? Bob: the Regional Internet Registries DFK pointed out that the RIR's don't know how to do this at the moment. Bob: easier to determine who is not a transit ISP. Bob explained that it is very important that all assignments are publicly registered in a DB. And that the RIR's can ask the TLA holders for more information. The proposed procedure is very similar to the slow start procedure currently in place for Ipv4 allocations. You initially only get a small piece. After 9 months the ISP has to prove that the address space has been used effectively. 90% Must be used before additional address space can be requested. Status: address format and specifications are almost draft standard. Work on the router specs is in progress. There are many implementations being worked on for both, hosts and routers. Even MS has released a prototype for Windows NT together with source code. The Ipv6 backbone 6bone is deployed well. Deployment timetable ( Bob's perspective) 1997-1998: product deployment continues, protocols refined based on experiences 1998-1999: Ipv6 appears in user systems as part of SW upgrades, users try out Ipv6 1999-2000: organisations start converting to Ipv6, translate to Ipv4 at organisational boundaries More info: http://playground.sun.com/ipng http://www.6bone.net - 9. - Carl Malamud: The Internet Atlas See also: http://not.invisible.net/talks/RIPE30/ (Caution: the HTML was put together for a talk from local disk and makes agressive bandwidth assumptions. But, so does the Atlas. :) The Internet Atlas BOF consisted of a 80 minute presentation on cartography and the Internet by Carl Malamud, followed by 45 minutes of general discussion on the topic. The BOF looked at several hundred maps from the Internet and from sources as diverse as Marshall Island stick maps and ancient petroglyphs. A three-year strategy was outlined for construction of an Internet Atlas and a variety of short-term efforts were proposed. Questions: Frode Greisen: The net is changing so quickly, how can you map it? Carl: it is mainly expanding. But yes, it has a dynamic aspect, and the maps will be on the net and be dynamically generated. - 10. - Reports from the RIPE WG's MBONE-WG -------- Chair: Thomas Telkamp replaced Kurt Kayser who couldn't make it to this meeting Scribe: Felix Kugler Attendees: 41 The following items were discussed: - status EU MBONE - DANTE migration to align with TEN-34 - Pruning: start action to detect non-pruners - MPEG-LB audio coding (Martin Sieler) -impressive quality at 64 kbps - AMSIX multicast experiments -ongoing, separate VLAN now -how to exchange multicast traffic? -MBGP Routing-WG ---------- Chair: Joachim Schmitz Scribe: Ambrose Magee Attendees: 74 Topics: - RPSL implementation - Merit & RIPE NCC in phase II according to transition plan - 'Progress Report on Transition to RPSL' by David Kessens - Tutorial & Information at RIPE 31 - Routing Registry Security - PGP secured submission method (details to be worked on) - Internet draft 'RPS security' (David Kessens reported) - Internet Routing Tools + Analysis - 'Interdomain Routing Statistic' by Craig Labovitz - BGP AS Origin Authentication with DNS - Internet draft presented by Randy Bush (draft-bates-bgp4-nlri-orig-verif-00.txt) ACTIONS: RIPE29.R1 on Gerald Winters, Joachim Schmitz and RIPE NCC to provide definition of Internet Routing Registry (IRR) and AUP RIPE29.R3 on RIPE NCC (Joao Damas) to implement PGP in the RIPE DB RIPE30.R1 on the RIPE NCC (Joao Damas) to implement aut-num authentication RIPE30.R2 on RIPE NCC, Joachim Schmitz and Wilfried Woeber to organise RPSL tutorials for RIPE 31 DB Security Task Force ---------------------- Chair: Joachim Schmitz This is not a RIPE WG, just a small task force. It has been set up one year ago and has met several times. There has been good progress, a set of requirements were identified. Topics: - Implementation of PGP It has been decided not to copy Merits 'PGP-FROM' attribute. The task force also does not want to copy the 'PGP-KEY' object from the RPS authentication draft. They propose to specify a 'PGP-ID' object along the lines of this draft. - The RPS security drafts have been discussed (draft-ietf-rps-auth-01) (the rps-dist draft is currently being worked on, not yet released) ACTIONS: RIPE30.DBSTF1: draft a specification for PGP implementation within 2 weeks RIPE30.DBSTF2: to give feedback to RPS security draft Next meetings are planned in conjunction with NANOG, IETF, RIPE DB-WG ----- Chair: Wilfried Woeber Scribe: Eamonn McGuinness Attendees: 61 Reports on: - RIPE DB general update and status - RIPE DB consistency efforts - RPSL capable whoisd - RPSL transition of Merit and RIPE NCC to phase II of transition plan Please read rps-dist and rps-auth drafts: - draft-ietf-rps-auth-01 - (the rps-dist draft is currently being worked on, not yet released) There was a proposal from SURFnet to allow to be referenced in admin-c attributes. No consensus was found (please see actions and please give input). ACTIONS: R30.DB1 on Ronald van der Pol to summarise their proposal to allow role objects in admin-c attributes R30.DB2 on the RIPE NCC to clearly document the use of contact information in the RIPE dB R30.DB3 on David Kessens to circulate proposal about DNS style tagging of nic-hdl's R30.DB4 on Ambrose Magee to publish URL for consistency report on the DB-WG mailing list for a sneak preview before it will be published to a broader community PGP-* authentication proposal: send to DB, Routing and LIR-WG mailing lists. See if consensus can be reached and have the proposal implemented by RIPE31 in alpha version to be commented on by community. DNS-WG ------ Chair: Ruediger Volk Randy Bush reported from the IETF on interoperability tasks (notify, dynamic updates). WG gave recommendations and suggestions on the draft from Hans Niklassen. Ruediger mentioned that there were a few new versions of BIND. TLD-WG & RIPE CENTR ------------------- Chair: Marcel Schneider replaced Niall O'Reilly who couldn't attend this meeting Scribe: Vittore Casarosa Minutes from last WG meeting were not available yet; this will be discussed at next meeting. Fay Howard gave a report on the RIPE CENTR activities. Marcel Schneider made a proposal on a new whois distribution: He feels that the data in the domain registries must be protected more than other sets of data (inetnum routing). When the data is misused the domain registry is usually not concerned; the owner of the data is the one who should take necessary steps. AUP or contracts are needed for use of domain related data.These contracts should be given to all parties that get the data, so that they all know the AUP. Marcel suggested three possible options to proceed: - CENTR to set up a draft contract (CENTR had unfortunately no time yet to discuss this.) - RIPE NCC to provide the data from the RIPE DB - do some further study first, the contracts need to be set up in the individual registries, some of them had to remove entire set of data they are responsible from the RIPE DB to prevent misuse Comments and Questions: Randy Bush articulated his concerns. The proposal sounds like making selling and misusing the data official. What is now misuse will then be officially be given to third parties. The data should be private, should not be given to search engines etc. There seems to be some misunderstanding about what data is actually concerned, because various sets of data are stored in the RIPE DB and other types of archives at the RIPE NCC. Daniel Karrenberg clarified that all data sent to the RIPE NCC in relation with IP address space or AS number requests (addressing plans etc.) are totally confidential and will not be published on any public database. Only data registered in the RIPE database, which is a publicly available DB, is public! Ipv6-WG ------- Chair: Thomas Trede Scribe: Gert Doering Attendees: 43 Minutes from last meeting are still missing. Reports: - David Kessens reported on the 6bone registry deployment - Bob Hinden gave a summary of the status of the IETF Ipng-WG and the Ipv6 specifications. He also summarised the 'allocation-rules' draft (see presentation in plenary session) - no further input from the audience on new manufacturers implementations (see list of current implementations in Bob Hindens presentation) Mirjam Kuene reported on the current point of view from the RIPE NCC on the Ipv6 developments. The RIPE NCC has not received any questions or requirements from the membership for Ipv6 address space. The RIPE NCC is also in close contact about the allocation rules with the other regional registries, IANA and the authors of the draft. No input from other WG's was received. EOF Tutorial ------------ Chair: (Peter Lothberg) Henk Smit from Cisco Europe gave a full-day tutorial about ISIS. The audience was very satisfied with getting some in-depth view on the protocol. The EOF-WG wants to continue, mainly by giving more technical seminars and tutorials in conjunction with the RIPE Meeting. Input on the form and content is welcome LIR-WG ------ Chair: Mike Norris Scribe: Pepa Tejedor Attenders: 100 RIPE NCC - growth (more than 6 Million hosts in European hostcount) - staffing (new internal structure at RIPE NCC, Paula Caslav now manager of Registration Services, Mirjam Kuehne head of external services) - workload (1-2 days response time) - training (2 LIR courses per month, more courses planned, professional trainer will be hired) - plans (one hostmaster staff will be dedicated to inaddr and DNS issues) ARIN - structure staff (Executive Board with 7 members, Advisory Board with 15 members, new staff members) - migrating DB (from Ingres to Oracle) - 340 clients APNIC - structure, staff - migrating DB - ticketing system - will take over inaddr service (has been done by Telstra so far) Address Space allocations - large LIRs experience problems with current policy (/16 maximum allocation, 90% usage before next allocation) wrt. to internal route aggregation - options: allocate more than a /16, revise 90% usage rule, take growth rate of LIRs into account? - proposal for RIPE31 Consistency & Auditing (Paula Caslav, see presentation in WG) - ripe-170 - audit samples (10% didn't respond - keep in mind that LIRs with little contact where audited first) - results (will be published) - problems & solutions (new and old LIR have a completely different set of problems, training and education activity will be stepped up) Ipv6 Allocations - docs close soon - preliminary rules for allocation Registry Hierarchy - consequence of classless assignment (make classless assignments and aggregate inetnum objects if possible) - Sub-LIR's - normal chain of accountability Future - new chair - review tasks (proposal has been sent to LIR-WG mailing list) - statistics (hosts/domain ration much lower than a few years ago ANTI-SPAM-BoF Chair: John Martin ------------- - No formal meeting took place - A new charter was presented to form a new WG - not so much technical issues, because they are been taken care off somewhere else - work items: - code of conduct to which ISP's might agree - set up a Center for European Network Abuse Resolution (CENAR) - RIPE NCC might be involved in providing admin services, not clear yet - James Aldridge was proposed as chairman The WG was approved with these two work items and the chairmanship of James Aldridge. http://www.staff.EU.net/jhma/anti-spam/charter.html Netnews-WG ---------- Chair: Felix Kugler Scribe: John Crain Attendees: 33 1. Review of actions: A27.N1 Tool support for News servers - ongoing A29.N1 Update charter on WG WWW server - done A29.N2 Update Newsbone document and related WWW pages - open A29.N3 group sync: information about maintainers and reference servers - moved to A30.N5 A29.N4 group sync: collect data and edit info page - moved to A30.N5 A29.N5 "News admins guide" - dead 2. Newsbone status report Web page presented with News servers offering online monitoring. Seven of the servers are fully compliant with Newsbone. 3. Overview of monitoring tools 5 types of news server software observed on backbone. A table was presented showing known monitoring/statistical tools. inflow and diablo-stats now have "surf-support". Volunteers for work on inflow: A30.N1 Felix Kugler to update inflow package with funcionality to limit output to a subset of feeds A30.N2 Kai Siering to update inflow package with outflow-plot script 4. News flowmaps Kai Siering is now working on this project. Current software to collect data is resource-intensive and needs a rewrite. Consensus that using "inpaths"-data from Freenix would be most favourable. Results will be presented as flowmaps with underlying geographical maps in GIF format. Missing server coordinates are a big problem. LOC-records in DNS are the ideal solution, but not widely deployed currently. A30.N3 Kai Siering to proceed with work on collect software and processing of flowmaps A30.N4 Felix Kugler to work on the coordinate problem 5. Group list maintenance Gerhard Winkler presented his prototype script. Lack of distinction between moderated/unmoderated groups which is considered very important. Synchronization should be based on checkgroup-type group lists wherever possible. Better contacts to people maintaining fundamental Usenet resources are urgently needed. A30.N5 Jonas Luster to improve prototype and to care for better access to Usenet resources. 6. QOS improvements A 1'000'000 byte article size limit on the backbone was accepted. No consensus on a proposed limit to 10 crossposts on the backbone. A30.N6 Felix Kugler to study effects of various crosspost limits 7. Jonas Luster gave an ad-hoc summary about the forthcoming Usenet format draft, the so-called "RFC 1036 grandson". -11.- Report from the RIPE NCC (Daniel Karrenberg) For the presentation slides, see: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-30/pres/nccrep/ Questions: Q: Are you planning to publish the results of the auditing on a public web site? A: Yes, but only the statistics, not results of particular audits Q: (Mike Norris) Do we check if domain names registered in the RIPE DB actually exist? A: Daniel answered that we are seeing the TLD administrators sending their data to the RIPE DB. Therefore we assume the domains exist. Q: (Christian Panigl) Is the TT project aware of the ToS (type of services) discussion or any ways of trying to be not honest with the data? A: We addressed the possible cheating. There are various ways to prevent this (one way would do to put a test traffic box at the customer site to double check). - 12. - Next Meetings: RIPE 31: September 32-25 1998, Edinburgh RIPE 32: January 27-29 1999, Amsterdam RIPE 33: May 26-28 1999, TBA Two offers to host a RIPE Meeting: one in Faro, Portugal and one in Berlin, Germany. - 13. - A.O.B. More than 240 people registered for this meeting. We all thank KTH for their hospitality and especially Lars-Johan Liman and his colleagues for providing these excellent facilities!!!! - 14. - Close

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