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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

>From: Harald.T.Alvestrand(a)uninett.no >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 13:53:13 +0100 > >Some people might doubt that EurOpen can manage to forget its historical >links to EUNet. >... >- The Concert-in-E proposal should be pursued, but the result might > be more of a consultation forum (FIRST-Europe?) rather than > an operational service (CERT-Europe). Could someone please advise me on *why* it is necessary or useful to create a "FIRST-Europe?" when there is a well-established FIRST? This sounds similar to proposing an IETF-Europe, just because we can't stand the idea the IETF (and the FIRST) were established somewhere else... But then, I didn't have the time yet to deply dive into this or to attend the recent meetings. So I may be missing crucial bits of information. Thanks, -Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Call for Proposals - Telematics Applications Programme
by martin＠terena.nl 15 Dec '94

15 Dec '94

(Apologies if you receive this more than once) 15th December 1994 The first TELEMATICS APPLICATIONS Programme Call for Proposals has been issued today. It is being made available simultaneously on paper, World Wide Web and via ftp. You can access the call via WWW at: http://www.terena.nl/telematics/cfp.html or you can retrieve the complete 'Proposers Pack' by ftp from: ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-PS.tar.Z (Postscript) ftp://ftp.terena.nl/telematics/proposers-pack-RTF.tar.Z (RTF) The closing date for submission of proposals is the 15th March 1995 but outline proposals may be submitted before then. Please see the call for more details. Please let me know if there are any problems accessing these documents but specific queries about the call should be addressed to the European Commission <telematics(a)dg13.cec.be> Due to the nature of the documents, an ascii text version is _not_ being made available. Regards, John

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Full Internet in Belarus
by Sergei Kritsky 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

UNIBEL: Network for Byelorussian Science and Education Full Internet in Belarus December, 1994 Currently the UNIBEL Network joins the most advanced universities, research institutes, government and public ogranizations dealing with science and education. UNIBEL is a result of joint efforts of these institutions and keeps tight contacts with all organizations and persons interested in developing academic and research networking in Belarus. UNIBEL is supported by Ministry of Education and Science of Republic Belarus, State Commitee of Science and Technology and Byelorussian Foundation for Fundamental Research. UNIBEL is involved in several projects intended to develop and improve networking infrastructure in Belarus, such as: - "Research and Development Computer Network of the Republic of Belarus"; - "Networking in Education: Ministry's Computer Network for Administrative Purposes"; - "Electronic Communications in High and Secondary Schools", etc. UNIBEL Network was registered in RIPE in December 1993 and IP numbers were assigned. UNIBEL is full national member of TERENA, EARN and CEENet. Since the begining of December the users of UNIBEL can be provided with full Internet services. Dedicated 9.6 Kbps line Minsk-Warsaw has been established and IP-connection has been put into operation due to great assistance of Polish Academic and Research Network NASK. Additionaly UNIBEL has an access to Internet through EUnet/Relcom network (Moscow) and UARNET (Lvov, Ukraine) via dial-up lines. Dedicated line to Moscow (FREEnet) was ordered and PTT licence was obtained. In future a satellite station will be installed with assistance of Poland (NASK) and CEENet. This satellite connection will replace the dedicated line Minsk-Warsaw. Correspondence to: Andrey Ivanov ivanov(a)ok.minsk.by Sergei Kritsky kritsky(a)ok.minsk.by phone/fax: +7 (0172) 20 61 34

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Visa reminder for 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

Dear RIPE meeting attendees, This letter is intended for all of you who need a visa to come to the Netherlands. Since the Dutch embassies tend to be closed from December 23th to January 1st, I would suggest you apply for a visa as fast as possible. On request, we send you an invitation. In this case, please tell us how many days and which days you are planning to stay. If, after the RIPE meeting, you want to stay some additional days we can invite you for some "technical meetings" after the RIPE meeting. Furthermore, please give also your full name, birth date and passport number. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to contact me, David Kessens RIPE NCC

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Registration form 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

20th RIPE meeting Registration reservation form Amsterdam, The Netherlands January 25-27th, 1995 %%%%%%%%%%% PLEASE NOTE %%%%%%%%%%% Our handling of ALL meeting registrations has recently been fully automated. To register for the meeting, please complete the registration form and send it to <meeting(a)ripe.net>. PLEASE FILL THIS OUT AS SPECIFIED. Please add in a value in the `box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). Note this is what will be used for your badge if you have requested one and for the attendee list so please take care to fill it in correctly. You will receive a notification message that your request has been processed. If however, you have any questions about the meeting or your registration form, please send your completed form to <ncc(a)ripe.net>. If you are interested in participating in the 20th RIPE Meeting in Amsterdam, would you kindly fill in the attached form. Many thanks, David Kessens RIPE NCC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- %START PART 1 - Registration 1) Your name Enter First name, Last name in FULL (remember this is on list and badge) e.g. John Doe Mary-Beth Walton # NAME [ ] 2) I already have a RIPE badge from a previous meeting. If yes please enter Y in the box below. If no please enter N in the box below. # BADGE [ ] 3) Your Organisation/Institution # ORG [ ] 4) Your e-mail address # EMAIL [ ] 5) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR # CTRY [ ] %END

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Hotels in Amsterdam for 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

********************************************************************* 20th RIPE meeting Details of Hotels in Amsterdam Amsterdam, January 1995 <> All phone numbers below require the prefix 31 20 <quoted number>. <> All tram connections are from central station. Low Budget Hotels (price range 80-120 Hfl) ----------------------------------------- Name Address Phone Fax Tram International Centrum Linnaeusstraat 2 6925111 9 Barbacan Plantage Muidergracht 89 6236241 6272041 9 Parklane Plantage Parklaan 16 6224804 9 Parkzicht Roemer Visscherstraat 33 6180897 5 Roemer Visscher Roemer Visscherstraat 10 6125511 5 Fita Jan Luyckenstraat 37 6790976 5 Mid range (price range 170-280 Hfl) ---------------------------------- Name Price Address Phone Fax Tram sgl/dbl Museum *** 170/244 PC Hooftstraat 2 6621402 6733918 5 Trianon *** 170/244 JW Brouwerstraat 3-7 6732073 6738868 16 Terdam *** 170/244 Tesselschadestraat 23 6126876 6838313 5 Holland *** 170/244 PC Hooftstraat 162 6764253 6765956 5 Beethoven **** 190/280 Beethovenstraat 43 6644816 6621240 24 Lairesse **** 240/280 De Lairessestraat 5-7 6719596 6711756 16 Karena Hotels Group (all centrally located) ------------------- Doelen ) Caransa ) -- Central Reservation number 626 2922 626 6831 Rembrandt ) Schiller ) If all the hotels are full or you are experiencing difficulty, try the following: Business Hotel Services - tel +31 20 691 6969 / fax +31 20 691 6209 This service is free of charge: you just tell them what kind of accommodation you need, where and the rate you want to pay, and they find it for you.

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Announcement 20th RIPE meeting
by RIPE NCC Staff 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

R I P E meeting announcement ============================ (This announcement can also be viewed using "finger meeting(a)ncc.ripe.net") This is to announce that the 20th RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 25th January, 1995 begin: 09:00 26th January, 1995 27th January, 1995 end: 16:00 NOTE: as decided at the 19th RIPE meeting, a new format of the meeting schedule will be in place. This means that the Working Group and special interest group sessions will be scheduled for January 25 (full day) and January 26 (09:00-12:30). The plenary RIPE meeting will take place January 26 (14:00-18:00) and January 27 (09:00-16:00). Venue: CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands Host: NIKHEF Registration: Please use the registration form (which will follow in a separate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. General Information: -------------------- Currency: 1 UK pound = Hfl 2.76 1 ECU = Hfl 2.14 1 US$ = Hfl 1.76 Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ <> directions to the meeting place Documents to follow (separate mail messages): --------------------------------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> registration form for attendance at the meeting ================================================================== CWI - The RIPE meeting venue: How do I get there? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To ease any possible confusion, two postscript maps can be found in the RIPE document store. One shows the bus and tram stops around the meeting site and the other is a more general map of the area. Both maps are available by ftp: ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps.Z ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local.transport-map.ps ftp.ripe.net:ripe/Next-Meeting/local.transport-map.ps.Z *PLEASE NOTE: The number 69 and 169 now end at Amstel station rather than Muiderpoort station. The number 15 now connects the Amstel station with Muiderpoort station. a) From Amsterdam Schipol airport: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station (Amsterdam CS). Then from Amsterdam Central Station : <> Take tram number 9 till the stop at the intersection of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride). The stop is just before the intersection. <> Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and follow the signs to the meeting (15 min walk all together). Instead of walking down Kruislaan you can take the shuttlebus for 2 stops. Turn into Kruislaan and the bustop is a little way down on the right hand side of the road. or from Central Station you can: <> Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66 which stops outside CWI. b) Alternatively from Amsterdam Schipol <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the RAI station in Amsterdam, which is at the end of this line (10 min ride). NOTE: Amsterdam Central Station (CS) is on another line. Then from the RAI station: <> From the RAI station take the city bus number 69 or CN bus number 169 in the direction `Amstel Station'. From the Amstel Railway Station <> From the Amstel station take the city bus number 15 the direction `Muiderpoort Station' to the stop on the corner of Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg (15 min ride, ask the driver where to get off) or proceed to 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66. You can also take the shuttlebus 66 from the Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg intersection as described above. d) Taxi from the airport <> Takes 15 mins and will cost approximately Hfl. 60.00 e) Connections away <> Tram 6 will take you to Leidseplein (now with conductor on tram) Tram 10 also Leidseplein (also with conductor on the tram) Tram 14 To and from Dam Square Tram 9 Rembrandtplein f) Bus 66 Timetable <> From Muiderpoort Station (Monday - Friday) 7.20 7.40 8.00 8.15 8.30 8.45 9.00 9.15 9.40 10.10 10.40 11.10 11.40 12.21 12.51 13.21 13.51 14.21 14.51 15.21 15.51 16.11 16.31 16.51 17.11 17.31 17.51 18.11 <> From CWI to Muiderpoortsation (Monday - Friday) 7.28 7.48 8.08 8.23 8.38 8.53 9.08 9.23 9.48 10.18 10.48 11.18 11.48 12.28 12.58 13.28 13.58 14.28 14.58 15.28 15.58 16.18 16.38 16.58 17.18 17.38 17.58 18.18 <> This bus is a shuttle bus that operates from Muiderpoort station in a large circle around the CWI and NIKHEF campus. ==================================================================== Public Transport - how much does it cost and where can I get tickets? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets of 15 strips (`Strippenkaart' costing Hfl. 10.75) can be bought in Post Offices, railway stations and cigarette shops. Tickets of 2 and 3 strips can be bought on the bus or the tram but they are much more expensive. You have to validate the ticket yourself in the metro stations and in the trams (except on lines 4, 6, 7, 10, 12 and 13). In the buses the driver will validate the ticket. Amsterdam is divided into zones: the old city is in zone `Centrum' whereas CWI is in zone `Oost'. You need to count how many zones you will be travelling through (from the centre - CWI is 2 zones) and count up that number of strips on your ticket + 1 extra. So in the above example you will need to stamp the 3rd strip. In case of overflow you stamp the last strip of the first ticket and start counting the remaining strips on the next ticket. Confused? Ask any member of the local organizing committee. Warning: BEWARE of pickpockets in crowded places. --------------------------

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Sven Tafvelin 13 Dec '94

13 Dec '94

I have been listening to the discussion on the European CERT Coordination. I believe in the following: - Any service provider is free to and should be encouraged to organize a CERT to serve its customers. - A European CERT Coordination activity depends on being trusted both on technical and commercial aspects by the organizations depending on it. To me this makes it impossible for a service provider to coordinate CERTs in competing service providers. - The European CERT CC need to be organized and done on "neutral" ground. - Therefore I support the ConCERT-in-E proposal. - I see that TERENA by many (hopefully all) and even by commercial organizations is regarded as such a neutral ground. - The RIPE NCC is also doing work where neutrality and trust is important. The high standard of quality and neutrality has made that sensitive activity accepted everywhere. - It is my firm belief that the European CERT CC in order to be successful should be organized in a similar way together with or close to the RIPE NCC to assure the same qualities. Sven Tafvelin

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by P.Bryant 11 Dec '94

11 Dec '94

In message Mon, 5 Dec 94 17:29:30 GMT, "Harald.T.Alvestrand" <Harald.T.Alvestrand(a)UNINETT.NO> writes: > You are not alone in being surprised. > The CERT meeting recently felt that the main problem in setting > up a CERT/CC was finding the right organization to do it, and I > think they meant finding an organization that all parties could > feel comfortable with, not that there would be a shortage of > volunteers. For task such as this I make a number of arguable statements: * This is a task which is not restricted to the academic or commercial bodies, it effects everyone. As such whoever takes on the job must be able to deal with all relevant bodies and have their confidence. * Although I like competition, this is not an area which is suitable for more than one organisation to be involved. * The job is in the nature of a police force and must have a reasonable range of powers (although at this stage the range of powers needs some thought). As such one wonders whether some governmental organisation should take on the task. Perhapse the EU should take an interest. * I am not at all sure that this is an area where volunteers are needed. We need guaranteed action which suggests permanent staff although ideas and suggestions from the volunteer side would no doubt be welcome. * As this is a somwewhat legal area I wonder whether this should be funded from governments or through the EU. Funding through UKERNA, DFN, TERENA et al does not seem appropriate since they do not represent the commercial sector. It may be better funded (if government funding fails) through site membership from those who wish to take advantage of the service. Paul. > > Is DANTE the right organization for the job? > > Or (a more positive note) is DANTE the right organization to > do the collection of money and subcontract the actual work > to another organization taht all parties trust to do the > (necessarily sensitive) coordination service right? > > I keep the long CC list, but would like to see it shortened > during the discussion... > > Harald T. Alvestrand Paul Bryant. Rutherford Lab, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, GB Tel. +44 235 445 267 Fax. +44 235 446 626

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Re: DANTE CERT Service
by Peter Lothberg 08 Dec '94

08 Dec '94

> The Internet industry in Europe needs to sort out the funding of > 'mutual services' like the CERTs. While TERENA and RIPE-NCC are I To me all of this sounds like an operational issue, and doing any security coordination without the buyin from all the involved operators is likely to fail. My suggestion is that we put the question of European Cert-coordination on the agenda for the next EOF-meeting, wich is colocated with the next Ripe meeting in Amsterdam. ---Peter

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