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New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review
by Mirjam Kuehne 25 Nov '21

25 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, The RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) was last updated in 2018. With experience from the first appeal and some other suggested improvements to the process, we felt it was time to work on a new version. The draft version can be found here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/polic… Please send any feedback, questions or suggestions to this list. We will also reserve some time during the RIPE 83 Community Plenary for this topic. We will then issue a last call for consensus after RIPE 83. Here is a list of the most significant changes: - We shortened the introduction to clarify that this document deals with policy only. - We added a section prior to going into details about the formal process: It strongly suggests that an idea for a new policy or a change in policy is first discussed on the relevant mailing list before it enters the formal PDP. This can potentially save the proposer and the community a lot of time and can lead to a better result in the end. - We clarified that the relevant WG chairs need to summarize the state of the discussion after each phase. This will make clear what the state of the discussion is and if community members are required to restate their position. - We clarified the appeals process, especially who should recuse themselves, and we added clear deadlines and responsibilities. - We added a section 5. that describes how the PDP is changed (by community consensus). - In the Policy Proposal Template in Appendix B we added a point 11.a.: Motivation for the proposal. - We made a number of editorial changes in places where it was not clear who is tasked to do what on which list (e.g. the WG chairs or the RIPE NCC Policy Officer). For reference, here is the current version of the PDP: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710 Kind regards, Mirjam & Niall RIPE Chair Team

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Re: [ripe-list] New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review
by Cynthia Revström 25 Nov '21

25 Nov '21

But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't. The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national laws often don't, is extremely silly. -Cynthia On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < jordi.palet(a)consulintel.es> wrote: > That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law” > > > > > > > > Saludos, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me(a)cynthia.re> escribió: > > > > Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here. > > This is a procedural document in a community, not a law. > > > > -Cynthia > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list < > ripe-list(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > Hi Sander, > > Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not > got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers. > > Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible > subjective interpretations. > > > El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" < > ripe-list-bounces(a)ripe.net en nombre de sander(a)steffann.nl> escribió: > > Jordi, > > > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience > doesn't show that. > > No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy > proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably > one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support > it. > > > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that > process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict > rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix rules and > suggestions in a formal PDP text. > > Yes we can, we are not writing law. > > Cheers, > Sander > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or > change your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of > the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the > intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including > attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal > offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this > communication and delete it. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ripe-list > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of > the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the > intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including > attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal > offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this > communication and delete it. > >

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RIPE 83 Highlights - Day 3
by RIPE NCC Event Team 25 Nov '21

25 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, The third day of RIPE 83 ended with 1106 attendees registered, 405 unique viewers via Meetecho and more on YouTube and the livestream on the RIPE 83 website. Wednesday was the second day of the RIPE Working Group sessions – you can find some highlights from the day at: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/report/#wed Today’s programme will open with the RIPE Community Plenary. It is also the third and last day of Working Group sessions: IPv6, Open Source, Connect, DNS and MAT: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Important: Some of these sessions are running parallel to each other. You can switch between sessions in Meetecho by using the “Event Map” button located at the top right of your screen. Stay tuned for what’s happening at RIPE 83 by following @RIPEMeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE83 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meeting Team

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RIPE 83 Highlights - Day 2
by RIPE NCC Event Team 24 Nov '21

24 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, The second day of RIPE 83 ended with 1,085 attendees registered, 493 unique viewers via Meetecho and more on YouTube and the livestream on the RIPE 83 website. Tuesday was the first day of RIPE Working Group sessions – you can find some highlights from the day at: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/report/#tue Today we continue with more Working Group sessions: Anti-Abuse, Database and RIPE NCC Services. You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ -------------------- PC Elections -------------------- As there are two candidates and two seats available in the Programme Committee (PC), the election has been cancelled. The names of the candidates will be announced during the closing plenary on Friday. --- Stay tuned to what’s happening at RIPE 83 by following @RIPEMeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE83 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meetings Team

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RIPE 83 Community Plenary Agenda
by Mirjam Kuehne 23 Nov '21

23 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, I hope you are enjoying the RIPE 83 Meeting. In case you have not yet seen the agenda of the Community Plenary: 1. Update from the RIPE Chair Team (Mirjam Kühne, Niall O'Reilly) 2. Rob Blokzijl Award 2022 (Eileen Gallagher, Carsten Schiefner) 3. RIPE NCC's Chief Community Officer Report (Hisham Ibrahim) 4. Report from the Number Resource Organization (Hans Petter Holen) 5. RIPE Policy Development Process (Mirjam Kühne, Niall O'Reilly) For the last agenda item, please see the draft document here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/polic… For a short summary of the main changes, please see the mail I sent to this list on 28 October: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-list/2021-October/002350.html See you all on Thursday at 10:30 (UTC+1) on meetecho. Kind Regards, Mirjam Kühne

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RIPE 83 Highlights - Day 1
by RIPE NCC Event Team 23 Nov '21

23 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, The first day of RIPE 83 kicked off with 1,036 attendees registered for the meeting. Here are the highlights: - The meeting was opened by Mirjam Kühne, the RIPE Chair, who welcomed attendees to our fourth fully virtual RIPE Meeting. - Presentations throughout the plenary sessions were well attended with over 500 participating on Meetecho and more joining in via the RIPE 83 livestream and YouTube. - We wrapped up the first day with Time to Talk, an online social event where attendees could meet with key RIPE community members and the RIPE NCC Executive Board. You can catch up with what happened on Day One by reading our Daily Meeting Report: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/report/ Today, we start with the Working Group sessions: Address Policy, IoT, Routing and Cooperation. You can find the meeting plan at: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Also, join the discussion at the BoF on the ‘The Future of Technical Training' scheduled today at 17:30 UTC+1: https://ripe83.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/bofs/ -------------------- PC Elections -------------------- Call for nominations is still open until 15:30 (UTC+1) today. You can nominate yourself or someone else by sending an email with a biography, statement of interest and photographs, to pc [at] ripe [dot] net. There are currently two seats up for election to the RIPE Programme Committee. The RIPE PC online voting system will open today at 16:00 (UTC+1) and close on Thursday, 25 November at 17:00 (UTC+1). The results will be announced during the closing plenary on Friday. --- Stay tuned to what’s happening at RIPE 83 by following @RIPEMeeting on Twitter and using the #RIPE83 hashtag. Kind regards, RIPE Meetings Team

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RIPE 83 Opens Today
by RIPE NCC Event Team 22 Nov '21

22 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, RIPE Chair Mirjam Kühne will open RIPE 83 today at 10:30 (UTC+1). You can follow our fourth completely virtual RIPE Meeting in the following ways: - On Meetecho - Via the live stream on the RIPE 83 website - On YouTube More information on how to participate can be found at: https://ripe83.ripe.net/ <https://ripe83.ripe.net/> To stay up-to-date with the latest RIPE Meeting updates, follow us on Twitter: @ripemeeting, #ripe83 Kind regards, RIPE Meetings Team

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RIPE Database Purposes in 2020s and Beyond
by denis walker 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

Colleagues Following on from the work of the DBTF, I have published a presentation about the purposes of the RIPE Database in the 2020s and beyond and also raised the question of a RIPE Database Policy. It is available here: https://ripe83.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/DB_WG-Denis_Walker… The last time we had community consensus on the purposes of the DB was in 2011. It is time for a new consensus. Please watch the presentation if you can before the DB-WG session at RIPE 83. After a 2 slide summary I will take questions. We need to have a full and open debate on the DB-WG mailing list following RIPE 83 in order to achieve a new consensus. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG

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Pre-RIPE 83 Working Group Chairs Meeting Summary
by Mirjam Kuehne 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, The RIPE Working Group Chairs met to prepare for the RIPE 83 meeting. You can find a summary of the short meeting here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/wg-chairs/working-group-chair-coll… Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair

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What Happened to RACI in 2021?
by Gergana Petrova 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

Dear colleagues, RACI funds help young academics present their research at RIPE NCC events -- but you don't need financial support to take part in virtual events. So what did we use the money for this year? We decided to keep supporting academia and awarded two projects the money to let them happen: - Artificial Intelligence (AI) Methods and Tools for Improving Network Monitoring Practices (AI4NetMon) - Mapping Connectivity and the Digital Space in Central Asia Read about why we decided to fund academic research, the selection process and more about the projects themselves here: https://labs.ripe.net/author/gergana_petrova/raci-funding-in-2021-planning-… We'd love to hear your thoughts - either in the comments of the article or simply reply to this email. Best regards, Gergana -- Gergana Petrova Community Development RIPE NCC Stationsplein 11, 1012 AB Amsterdam, The Netherlands T: +31 20 535 4444 www.ripe.net

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