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INRs War (was: Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs)
by Sylvain Baya 10 Aug '21

10 Aug '21

{remove arin-discuss, as it has been closed} {apologies for ×-posting} Dear all, Please see my comments below, inline... Le vendredi 6 août 2021, Noah <noah(a)neo.co.tz> a écrit : > Shalom Sylvain, > Shalom Noah, Thanks for your email, brother. > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 2:13 PM Sylvain Baya <abscoco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> {apologies for crossposting} >> Dear RIPE-Lister, >> >> Hope you are well. >> >> Please see my comments below, inline... >> >> Le mar. 3 août 2021 à 10:07 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <dfk(a)ripe.net> a >> écrit : >> >>> >>> >>> On 2 Aug 2021, at 20:45, Randy Bush wrote: >>> >>> > ignore the lies and escalation. it is just designed to >>> > create doubt and confusion. >>> >> > Time and space has a way of revealing the truth. > > >>> >>> Could not agree more. >> >> >> >> Hi Daniel, >> Thanks for your email, brother. >> >> ...this is an *INRs War*. it's no more only >> about few/full lies. >> >> It seems as AfriNIC is just the first step... >> > > No kidding, inlight of the so-called Number Resources Alliance which I > 100% is backed by IPv$ brokers for Larus at the front line. > > Of course! ...i may be naive! but what i read seems to be clear for me. Hope to have more reaction from the entire Internet Numbers Registry Community. This [1]article seems to share evidence that AfriNIC is not the first target, by that kind of behaviours. __ [1]: Concerns Grow As AFRINIC’s Funds Are Frozen Over IPv4 Dispute, by Doug Madory, Director of Internet Analysis, AUGUST 06, 2021 <https://www.kentik.com/blog/concerns-grow-as-afrinics-funds -are-frozen-over-ipv4-dispute/> ~°~ [...] In 2019, the Department of Justice indicted <https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-fed…> a man in South Carolina for fraudulently obtaining over 700,000 IPv4 addresses from North American registry ARIN estimated to be worth between “$9,850,880 and $14,397,440.” In a Lightning Talk <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLEWCCjpao&t=235s> at LACNIC in 2018, Etienne Sharp <https://twitter.com/etiennesharp> blamed “ghost companies” for spiriting into Latin America, setting up virtual offices to obtain precious IPv4 address space at little cost, and then proceeding to use the address space outside the LACNIC region. Russian security company DDoS-Guard (aka Dancom) was one of those ghost companies <https://twitter.com/DougMadory/status/1351686933248933894> in Etienne’s presentation, and earlier this year, LACNIC revoked its right <https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/ddos-guard-to-forfeit-internet-space-oc…> to use the address space it obtained from Belize. [...] ~°~ > > > >> >> >> This guy quotes his very own comment on Rob >>> Blokzijl’s obituary and puts his own words in the mouth of Rob who >>> cannot do anything about it anymore. He even puts this ‘quote’ in >>> the charter of his new anti-RIR club. Distasteful. A disgrace. >>> >>> >> >> ...from the home page of the NRA: >> >> ~°~ >> NUMBER >> RESOURCES >> SOCIETY >> >> "RIR is just a bookkeeper" >> > > What they don't know is that an RIR like AFRINIC does more than just the > registry services even though Lu Heng our of ignorance mistakenly thinks > the RIR is a bookkeeper like wannabe mini-RIR Larus. > > ...kind of! but a top-down one, calling to build an anonymous community; which would let them take all *good* decisions on their behalf. Could they follow the global policies [2] :'-( __ [2]: <https://nro.net/policy/global> > 1. AFRINIC for instance is involved with a number of other activities > > - Internet Number Resources Management > - Resource Certification Program (RPKI) > > <https://rpki.afrinic.net/> <https://validator.afrinic.net/> > > - Internet Routing Registry (IRR) > - DNSSEC Program > - WHOIS Services > > & good statistics: <https://stats.afrinic.net> ...such as: <https://stats.afrinic.net/closures/> <https://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/transfers/> <https://stats.afrinic.net/dnssec/> <https://stats.afrinic.net/irr/> ... > > - Training Services in Collaboration with NOG's > > • *HelpDesk* [3] to freely support Deployment Operationalization (DO) within the AfriNIC service region. > - Online Services > - DNS Support Program > - Root Server Copy Programme > - Services like my.afrinic.net > > 2. AFRINIC carries out Research for the benefit of wide membership like: > > - Internet Technical Infrastructure > - Internet Access > - Internet Policy and Governance > - Internet Resilience > - Internet Standards and Protocols > - Internet Measurement > > ...as results of their efforts: <https://afrinic.net/research/> <https://afrinic.net/research/studies/mira#about> <https://github.com/mira-project/mira/wiki/About-MIRA> <https://airrs.afrinic.net> <https://afrinic.net/research/publications> ... > > > 3. AFRINIC providers Fund for Internet Research and Education and other > Internet initiatives across AFRICA. > > <https://fireafrica.org> > 4. AFRINIC supports Internet Exchange Points across AFRICA > > ...including through CPM section 5.6.4 [4]: ~°~ [...] 5.6.4 PI Assignments to critical Infrastructure 5.6.4.1 AFRINIC will make End-User assignment to critical infrastructure providers of the Internet such as public internet exchange points and core DNS service providers. [...] ~°~ ... > *Does LARUS Limited and its Larus Foundation have such capabilities? or > any IPv$ broker out there.?* > > ...if you asked me! i would have pointed you to a definition of a *network* [5], in Internet routing [6] & LIR contexts... __ [3]: Helpdesk - bit.ly/6deployEN or bit.ly/6deployFR [4]: <https://afrinic.net/policy/manual#IPv4-En-User-PI-Assignments> [5]: <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/network#:~:text= 3,communicate%20with%20each%20other> " 3a: [...] b: a system of computers and peripherals that are able to communicate with each other " [6]: A-Z Glossary – APNIC <https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/a-z-glossary/> ~°~ Network An international network providing public correspondence services (when used in the formal sense as defined in Section 4.17 of ITU-T Rec. E.164 (05/97)). ~°~ EN - <https://www.itu.int/rec/dologin_pub.asp?lang=f&id=T- REC-E.164-201011-I!!PDF-E&type=items> ~°~ 4.13 Network Internationally interconnected physical nodes and operational systems operated and maintained by one or more ROAs to provide public telecommunications services. Private networks are not included in this definition. Note that the use of capital "N" in Networks indicates that this definition applies. ~°~ ROA = Recognized Operating Agency ...i think these definitions allow me to expect at least one ASN to define the boundaries of the network of certain LIRs spanning multiple regions...unless, i'm understanding nothing :'-( Shalom, --sb. > Cheers, > Noah > > -- -- Best Regards ! __ baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure> Subscribe to Mailing List: <https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/> __ #‎LASAINTEBIBLE‬|#‎Romains15‬:33«Que LE ‪#‎DIEU‬ de ‪#‎Paix‬ soit avec vous tous! ‪#‎Amen‬!» ‪#‎MaPrière‬ est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement‬ «Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)

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[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Sylvain Baya 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le dim. 1 août 2021 à 10:58 AM, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> a écrit : > > Hello community > Hi Paul, Thanks for your email, brother. ...please, next time, replace community by its plural...unless you test your *globalisation*? > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate > sentiments. > ...i see! So, you acknowledge to be wrong in your haste? ...please, come down, brother! > Let me try this again: > > In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR > ...i would have expected that the ressource member which caused this concern would have been your first recommended choice :-/ should help AFRINIC (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core > registration service function for the time being, > > > NRA.help | Number Richers Alliance? :-/ > > until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to our > African end users and businesses. > > ...which *African* end users? imho, your real fear seem to be the lost of connectivity of the 90%, out-of-region, customer base of the LIR which sued its parent-RIR and started an *INRs War* against the RFC7020, against the entire Internet Number Registry System, through the NRA.help project. Shalom, --sb. > Regards > Paul > > > > ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner > <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net>>* wrote > ---- > > Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. > > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s > inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its > inability to meet its financial requirements. > > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > time later. (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir- > accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund/) > > That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come > out of litigation. > > Regards > Paul Wollner > > -- -- Best Regards ! __ baya.sylvain[AT cmNOG DOT cm]|<https://cmnog.cm/dokuwiki/Structure> Subscribe to Mailing List: <https://lists.cmnog.cm/mailman/listinfo/cmnog/> __ #‎LASAINTEBIBLE‬|#‎Romains15‬:33«Que LE ‪#‎DIEU‬ de ‪#‎Paix‬ soit avec vous tous! ‪#‎Amen‬!» ‪#‎MaPrière‬ est que tu naisses de nouveau. #Chrétiennement‬ «Comme une biche soupire après des courants d’eau, ainsi mon âme soupire après TOI, ô DIEU!»(#Psaumes42:2)

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RIPE 83 will be a virtual meeting
by Mirjam Kühne 04 Aug '21

04 Aug '21

Dear colleagues, Together with the RIPE NCC, the RIPE Chair Team has decided that RIPE 83 will take place fully virtually from 22-26 November 2021. We had hoped to hold a combined physical+remote meeting, and see at least some of you in person again. However, there are still too many uncertainties as far as COVID-19 and travel restrictions are concerned, and we cannot yet risk holding a face-to-face event under the circumstances. The safety of the meeting attendees and RIPE NCC staff is our first concern. We really hope that the situation will improve enough for us to meet again in person in 2022. You can get the latest updates about RIPE 83 on the meeting website: [https://ripe83.ripe.net](https://ripe83.ripe.net/) Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE Chair

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Christian Orozco 02 Aug '21

02 Aug '21

I definitely concur with the suggestion of passing a transfer policy. It provides much autonomy which is crucial in the current circumstances. Freedom of choice is very important especially now that the discussion has ramped up and more uncertainties are coming from AFRINIC. It is about time that we allow those willing to scale and assess the risks to just do so. Right? Moreover, a more capable registry can provide better service possibly along with lower fees and even a more stable governance. With better resource handling, all these benefits can be enjoyed by users. Isn't that what is important? Regards, Christian On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 8:39 PM Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> wrote: > It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers > and pass a transfer policy. > > Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this > situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile > transfer out - problem solved. > > It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the > community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if > AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely > zero risk in this approach. > > Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other > legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the > current legal situation > > I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its > members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been > echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should > therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said > risk if it is within their powers to do so > > Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the > merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system > should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this > situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be > nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members > mitigate their risks as they see fit > > > Andrew > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM > *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat < > secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; > apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service > migration to other RIRs > > Good day all, > > I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has > been watered down now). > > If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards > a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only > right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. > Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to > save the region. > I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. > > Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so > likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to > carry out its duties? > > If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. > > If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the > financial breakdown. > > That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward > and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > wrote: > > > > Hello community > > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate > sentiments. > > Let me try this again: > In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC > (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service > function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted > to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. > > Regards > Paul > > > > ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner > <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net>>* wrote > ---- > > Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. > > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s > inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its > inability to meet its financial requirements. > > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > time later. ( > https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f… > ) > > That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come > out of litigation. > > Regards > Paul Wollner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >

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RIPE Community Resilience and Wellbeing Update
by Erik Bais 02 Aug '21

02 Aug '21

Dear RIPE community, We thought we would provide an update on the RIPE Community Resilience and Wellbeing session we held 2 weeks ago. It was a really constructive session with lots of good ideas. Participants shared the challenges they’ve been facing during the COVID-19 pandemic and the positives of engaging more online. Participants also came up with helpful tips and practices for dealing with home working such as joining a book club, regular wellbeing sessions, packing away the home office in the evenings and ‘cycling to work’ from home and back. We will be holding a follow up session in September after the summer break and for this session we will be inviting a guest speaker. If you have any suggestions of who could speak on wellbeing and mentalhealth, please email: trustedcontact(a)ripe.net<mailto:trustedcontact@ripe.net>. We will provide more details about the September session nearer the time, hope to see you then. Regards, Erik Bais

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Erick Joshua Lagon 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

The implementation of the resource transfer policy ( https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d4#details) would enable AFRINIC to reduce the risks in case their situation goes sideways. However, I do not agree with an emergency policy when a transfer policy is awaiting implementation. They should focus on that transfer policy implementation because it is the right thing to do now. Regards, Erick On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:55 PM Thizwilondi Malupa <sienqle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Robert , > > I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is > pushing for the transfer policy for some other reasons. Passing a > transfer policy would by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC badly > affected entirely , including this community . And I think if we have a > transfer policy in place it will also be good for future challenges. But > not that it will always be a solution to look at during a crisis , but it > will be helpful to have it in case it needs to be used . I suggest you > look at it in a way where you put the interest of the future of the > AFRINIC mind. > > Regards, > Ishmael > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 3:50 PM robert ford via Community-Discuss < > community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> wrote: > >> Typical of Andrew about transfer of rights. He clearly knows what he >> would use such transfer policy for. >> >> Glad rightful thinking members of African Internet community understand >> the baits >> >> RF >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:44, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the >> resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess >> AFRINIC is putting them through. >> >> But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we >> already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has >> achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies >> the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.* >> >> >> Best regards, >> Lamiaa CHNAYTI >> >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < >> community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> wrote: >> >>> It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers >>> and pass a transfer policy. >>> >>> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this >>> situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile >>> transfer out - problem solved. >>> >>> It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which >>> the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if >>> AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely >>> zero risk in this approach. >>> >>> Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of >>> other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from >>> the current legal situation >>> >>> I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its >>> members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been >>> echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should >>> therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said >>> risk if it is within their powers to do so >>> >>> Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on >>> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system >>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this >>> situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be >>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members >>> mitigate their risks as they see fit >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM >>> *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> >>> *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat < >>> secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; >>> apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; >>> Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service >>> migration to other RIRs >>> >>> Good day all, >>> >>> I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement >>> has been watered down now). >>> >>> If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending >>> towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it >>> is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry >>> afloat. >>> Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming >>> to save the region. >>> I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. >>> >>> Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not >>> so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to >>> carry out its duties? >>> >>> If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. >>> >>> If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of >>> the financial breakdown. >>> >>> That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward >>> and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello community >>> >>> I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate >>> sentiments. >>> >>> Let me try this again: >>> In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC >>> (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service >>> function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted >>> to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. >>> >>> Regards >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner >>> <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net>>* >>> wrote ---- >>> >>> Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. >>> >>> The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and >>> especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, >>> which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s >>> inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its >>> inability to meet its financial requirements. >>> >>> I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other >>> business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core >>> registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their >>> responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over >>> AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is >>> settled some time later. ( >>> https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f… >>> ) >>> >>> That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results >>> come out of litigation. >>> >>> Regards >>> Paul Wollner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >

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Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Paul Wollner 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its financial requirements. I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some time later. (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f…) That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come out of litigation. Regards Paul Wollner

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by Lamiaa Chnayti 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

It makes absolute sense to pass a resource transfer policy that gives the resource members the option of not getting dragged along the risky mess AFRINIC is putting them through. But I don’t see the necessity of passing an emergency policy when we already have a resource transfer policy that has been discussed and has achieved consensus before, so it only makes sense that the board ratifies the *AFPUB-2019-V4-003-DRAFT04.* Best regards, Lamiaa CHNAYTI On Sun, 1 Aug 2021 at 13:39, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> wrote: > It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers > and pass a transfer policy. > > Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this > situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile > transfer out - problem solved. > > It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the > community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if > AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely > zero risk in this approach. > > Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other > legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the > current legal situation > > I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its > members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been > echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should > therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said > risk if it is within their powers to do so > > Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the > merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system > should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this > situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be > nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members > mitigate their risks as they see fit > > > Andrew > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM > *To:* Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > *Cc:* arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat < > secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; > apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; > Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service > migration to other RIRs > > Good day all, > > I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has > been watered down now). > > If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards > a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only > right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. > Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to > save the region. > I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. > > Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so > likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to > carry out its duties? > > If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. > > If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the > financial breakdown. > > That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward > and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> > wrote: > > > > Hello community > > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate > sentiments. > > Let me try this again: > In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC > (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service > function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted > to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. > > Regards > Paul > > > > ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 *Paul Wollner > <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net>>* wrote > ---- > > Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. > > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s > inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its > inability to meet its financial requirements. > > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > time later. ( > https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f… > ) > > That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come > out of litigation. > > Regards > Paul Wollner > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >

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Re: [ripe-list] [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 01 Aug '21

01 Aug '21

Even if a transfer policy is adopted, *before* any transfer AFRINIC has the right to verify the resources are being used according to the policies, RSA, documentation/justification provided when it was allocated/assigned, etc., etc. If the resources don’t follow the rules, the RIR (not just in the case of AFRINIC) has the right to enforce (before the transfer) the rules or reclaim the resources. Each RIR has sligtly different rules clearly, but in no case, a transfer policy shall be allowed to be used as a way to circumvent the existing rules of the origin RIR! Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 1/8/21 15:01, "Taiwo Oye" <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> escribió: Thank you @andrew. It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy - point 2 On Aug 1, 2021, at 13:38, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> wrote: It is my (personal) view that AfriNIC board should exercise their powers and pass a transfer policy. Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this situation do so - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile transfer out - problem solved. It is entirely within the boards powers to pass emergency policy which the community can revoke at the next pdp should they wish to do so - and if AfriNIC has the support claimed by members of this list there is absolutely zero risk in this approach. Furthermore - such an approach would also remove the possibility of other legal action which may be taken against them on grounds removed from the current legal situation I remind everyone that AfriNIC has a duty to act in the interests of its members - and AfriNIC has repeatedly stated in the press - and has been echoed by various ISP associations that there is risk here - it should therefore stand that AfriNIC provide members with a way to mitigate said risk if it is within their powers to do so Again - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members mitigate their risks as they see fit Andrew Get Outlook for iOS From: Taiwo Oye <taiwo.oyewande88(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM To: Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> Cc: arin-discuss <arin-discuss(a)arin.net>; secretariat <secretariat(a)nro.net>; Community Discuss <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net>; apnic-talk <apnic-talk(a)lists.apnic.net>; ripe-list <ripe-list(a)ripe.net>; Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs Good day all, I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has been watered down now). If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only right to start weighing all viable options to keep the registry afloat. Paul made a suggestion - tho a bit aggressively - about the NRO coming to save the region. I will like the community to see this as “option 1”. Does any other community member have any better suggestion in the (not so likely) situation that afrinic does not have the financial capability to carry out its duties? If so, please lay them out for discussion amongst the community members. If not, Option 1 remains the only alternative to cushion the effect of the financial breakdown. That being said. I think we should think in the direction of way forward and have a plan ready rather than crucifying Paul for being proactive. On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:01, Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> wrote: Hello community I think I misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate sentiments. Let me try this again: In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service function for the time being, until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to our African end users and businesses. Regards Paul ---- On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 23:38:32 +0200 Paul Wollner <paul.wollner(a)africaoncloud.net> wrote ---- Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large. The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its financial requirements. I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some time later. (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-f…) That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come out of litigation. 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shatel contact
by Randy Bush 25 Jul '21

25 Jul '21

apologies to use the list for an operational issue :) anyone with friends/contacts in shatel? many sources in their customer cone are pinging a friend's well-known infrastructure site annoyingly. i wrote to the abuse contact (in american <blush>), and got back an email from RT. i asked my son-in-law to translate and he laughed, it's farsi, not arabic <reblush>. google translate says it is a pretty useless "if you have an account maybe we can help," and of course i do not have an account. any help appreciated. thanks. randy

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