December 1998 - ripe-list - mailman.ripe.net

VERY IMPORTANT: RIPE meetings 32 and 33
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 30 Dec '98

30 Dec '98

Dear Colleagues, [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] * Please note the following * RIPE 33 will be taking place in Vienna, Austria on Wednesday 5th, Thursday 6th and Friday 7th May 1999 and is being organized in cooperation with a local host, the University of Vienna (Computer Center). There appears to be a shortage of hotelspace in Vienna around that time, so we would like to strongly recommend you to book your accommodation as soon as possible. More information on available hotels can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-33/hotel.html Furthermore we would like to remind you that the registration for RIPE 32 in Amsterdam: on 27, 28 and 29 January 1999, has been opened. More information about this meeting and the registration form, can be found on this page: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/mtg.html If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <meeting(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting Registrations ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration is also possible and easier online at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/form.html %START Do not change the following field %MTG [ ripe32 ] Please add a value in the 'box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If values are already supplied between the brackets, please delete all values except one. PART 1 - Registration Note this is what will be used for your badge and for the attendee list, so please take care to fill it in correctly. 1) Your name Please enter your first name only. e.g. John , Mary B. %NAME [ ] Please enter your surname next e.g. Doe %SURNAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) Your Organizations Complete Postal Address e.g. Singel 258, 1016 AB Amsterdam, The Netherlands %ORGADDR [ ] 4) The NCC Reg-id of your Organisation %REGID [ ] (Only if you represent a Local Internet Registry) 5) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 6) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR DE %CTRY [ ] 7) Do you want to attend the Newcomers Orientation Talk ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %INTRO-MTG [ no / yes ] 8) Do you want to attend the EOF Tutorial ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %EOF-TUTOR [ no / yes ] 9) Do you want to attend the RPSL course ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %RPSL-COURSE [ no / yes ] PART 2 - Payment of Registration Fees WARNING!! - Note that sending your credit card information via e-mail is in principle not secure. The payment information will be transmitted in clear via e-mail. If you do not want to do this, please leave your credit card details blank in this form, and send them to us by fax. Please do not forget to mention your name and organisation on the fax, so there will be no risk in us getting confused. Our fax number is: +31 20 535 44 45 1) Method of payment. Payment in advance is greatly preferred. (please delete all choices except one) %PMETH [in advance; credit card at meeting; credit card at meeting; cash ] 2) Type of credit card (please delete all choices except one) %CTYPE [ VISA / American Express / Mastercard ] 3) Card number %CCNUM [ ] 4) Expiry date %CCDATE [ ] 5) Card holders name %CCNAME [ ] 6) Card holders address %CCADDR [ ] 7) Amount to be paid %AMT [RIPE Meeting only; XEU 120 RIPE Meeting plus RIPE dinner; XEU 175 ] Your payment cannot be processed after January 18th, 1999 with this form. You are welcome to send in your personal data with this form to register, but the payment can only be made at the meeting itself on January 26th, 27th, 28th and 29th 1999. %END

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Revised RIPE Region Hostcount for November 1998
by RIPE Hostcount Maintainer 09 Dec '98

09 Dec '98

Dear All, below is the *revised* hostcount for November 1998. The table had to be revised because it previous incorrectly reported one TLD (gw) as having approximately 40000 hosts, when in fact no hosts could be counted. The table shows an increase since last month of over 120,000 (or 1,6%) to a total of almost 7,770,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The de domain now shows the highest increase for November with approximately 25,000 hosts more than in October. A complication of circumstances resulted in me not being able to get *any* data for cz, thus the table shows last months values. - Brief Notes on this Hostcount - This month we have added 47 TLDs to the 54 which have been fairly constant for some years. We would expect this to result in a boost to the overall increase for this month, but in fact the increase is around the usual range, due to the 'traditional' TLDs having lower increases than usual (another demonstration that the per-month figures are less interesting than the long-term trend). The table this month has a few extra features to highlight the newcomers: - The new TLDs are indicated with a '+' in the far left column. - There are two subtotal lines before the grand total. The first indicates what the hostcount *would* have been without the newcomers. The second shows the total contribution of the newcomers to the overall count. - The 'CHANGE' field for TLDs that were introduced this month is the same as the 'REAL' field (the number of non-duplicate hosts counted), because for the purposes of the hostcount they had 0 hosts last month. - Other Ways to Obtain the Hostcount - The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: ad Joan Marc Lauga at Gerhard Winkler be DNS-BE Registration Office ch Marcel Schneider cycz Jiri Orsag de Peter Koch dk Morten Christensen es Susana Gayo. CSIC-RedIRIS fr Annie Renard gr Dimitris Zisiadis hr Ivan Maric ie Mike Norris il Shuki Kenan is Marius Olafsson it Maurizio Martinelli Daniele Vannozzi li Marcel Schneider lt Daiva Tamulioniene mk Goran Muratovski no Havard Eidnes pl Mirek Luc pt Armando Domingues ro Eugenie Staicut ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov sk Lubos Elias sm Maurizio Martinelli Daniele Vannozzi tr Yener Yigit uk Robert Stone Kevin Hoadley If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. I apologise that the figures for one of the TLD's was previously incorrect. Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Nov 5 1998 This Count : Wed Dec 9 1998 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== ad + 237 885 256 629 + 629 ae + 304 9609 233 9376 + 9376 al 9 148 6 142 + 4 am 132 1133 215 918 + 39 at 28812 230337 65534 164803 + 5220 az 51 376 27 349 - 43 ba 57 689 62 627 + 524 be 12233 229092 25432 203660 + 1276 bf + 7 205 7 198 + 198 bg 633 12828 1616 11212 + 438 bh + 28 1036 120 916 + 916 bj + 13 76 16 60 + 60 by 124 1250 201 1049 - 45 cf + 2 6 0 6 + 6 ch 46804 285652 53810 231842 + 748 ci + 106 673 50 623 + 623 cm + 8 163 1 162 + 162 cv + 8 17 1 16 + 16 cy 657 5310 188 5122 + 54 cz 18640 90849 12674 78175 0 de 184901 1883085 453547 1429538 + 24843 dj + 3 11 2 9 + 9 dk 63983 344227 50300 293927 + 4605 dz 13 33 2 31 + 14 ee 2329 24160 1682 22478 - 56 eg 764 2708 263 2445 - 4 er + 1 1 0 1 + 1 es 12251 312337 13607 298730 + 10691 fi 9769 475627 15213 460414 - 4919 fo 168 599 32 567 + 9 fr 29275 551755 61921 489834 + 11901 ga + 9 29 19 10 + 10 gb 2 27 0 27 0 ge 50 734 35 699 - 35 gg + 143 235 163 72 + 72 gh + 9 301 37 264 + 264 gi + 85 620 300 320 + 320 gl + 181 1943 104 1839 + 1839 gn + 2 6 0 6 + 6 gq + 5 11 6 5 + 5 gr 9478 53186 3731 49455 + 3772 hr 1853 14354 2534 11820 + 167 hu 6668 100031 10201 89830 + 2132 ie 6553 61562 7007 54555 + 2446 il 7378 132207 24685 107522 - 601 im + 162 113 40 73 + 73 iq + 1 0 0 0 0 ir + 60 798 72 726 + 726 is 1622 26037 1209 24828 + 768 it 45238 427761 57519 370242 - 22962 je + 137 153 64 89 + 89 jo + 328 1019 370 649 + 649 ke + 295 1842 537 1305 + 1305 kg + 44 1630 109 1521 + 1521 kz + 327 2523 471 2052 + 2052 lb + 1120 4186 749 3437 + 3437 li 746 1859 721 1138 + 47 lr + 3 0 0 0 0 lt 1342 10379 765 9614 + 14 lu 1734 8643 1187 7456 + 528 lv 1034 16301 2614 13687 + 1319 ly + 2 1 0 1 + 1 ma 292 2492 466 2026 + 395 mc + 195 560 155 405 + 405 md 106 722 174 548 - 95 mk 294 1175 147 1028 + 83 ml + 15 194 8 186 + 186 mt 284 2217 363 1854 + 38 ne + 12 96 3 93 + 93 ng + 159 589 392 197 + 197 nl 52641 670924 58967 611957 + 17410 no 22590 337645 18017 319628 + 3529 om + 22 2893 9 2884 + 2884 pl 19570 162541 37224 125317 - 1125 pt 7154 62725 8676 54049 + 1221 qa + 25 614 4 610 + 610 ro 1749 24605 2248 22357 + 1616 ru 15597 210351 46562 163789 + 9887 sa + 97 533 53 480 + 480 sd + 1 4 2 2 + 2 se 30722 450302 32408 417894 + 13520 si 3358 25416 2694 22722 + 500 sj + 1 0 0 0 0 sk 5849 27338 5400 21938 + 190 sl + 6 70 0 70 + 70 sm 55 331 9 322 + 75 sn + 56 813 174 639 + 639 su 1299 31866 1818 30048 + 295 sy + 4 1 0 1 + 1 td + 6 8 4 4 + 4 tj + 136 1389 1180 209 + 209 tm + 1670 2959 1773 1186 + 1186 tn 227 161 65 96 + 85 tr 7240 50648 5046 45602 + 4435 ua 1922 30721 9456 21265 + 138 ug + 14 119 5 114 + 114 uk 138211 1693823 263356 1430467 - 5984 uz + 164 821 352 469 + 469 va 2 8 0 8 0 ye + 19 33 18 15 + 15 yu 1905 7713 827 6886 - 114 ============================================================== 54 806370 9099000 1362463 7736537 + 88993 + 47 6232 39788 7859 31929 + 31929 ============================================================== 101 812602 9138788 1370322 7768466 +120922 et gm gw kw so st tg: these TLDs were not included due to problems of one sort or another running the count (mostly related to zone transfers).

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Mistake in November hostcount
by Hostcount Maintainer 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

Hi all, I'm sorry to say that there was a subtle processing error in the hostcount this month which nevertheless possibly resulted in gross inaccuracy. The revised figures will be released once the problem is corrected, certainly within the next 24 hours. Apologies and thanks for your patience, Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC

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RIPE Region Hostcount for November 1998
by RIPE Hostcount Maintainer 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

Dear All, below is the hostcount for November 1998. The table shows an increase since last month of over 160,000 (or 2.2%) to a total of almost 7,820,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The gw domain shows the highest increase for November with approximately 47,000 hosts more than in October. A complication of circumstances resulted in me not being able to get *any* data for cz, thus the table shows last months values. - Brief Notes on this Hostcount - This month we have added 48 TLDs to the 54 which have been fairly constant for some years. We would expect this to result in a boost to the overall increase for this month, but in fact the increase is around the usual range, due to the 'traditional' TLDs having lower increases than usual (another demonstration that the per-month figures are less interesting than the long-term trend). The table this month has a few extra features to highlight the newcomers: - The new TLDs are indicated with a '+' in the far left column. - There are two subtotal lines before the grand total. The first indicates what the hostcount *would* have been without the newcomers. The second shows the total contribution of the newcomers to the overall count. - The 'CHANGE' field for TLDs that were introduced this month is the same as the 'REAL' field (the number of non-duplicate hosts counted), because for the purposes of the hostcount they had 0 hosts last month. This is the reason why gw has the highest change for this month. - Other Ways to Obtain the Hostcount - The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: ad Joan Marc Lauga <Postmaster(a)DINIS.AD> at Gerhard Winkler <Gerhard.Winkler(a)univie.ac.at> be DNS-BE Registration Office <tech(a)dns.be> ch Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> cycz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Morten Christensen <morten(a)dk-hostmaster.dk> es Susana Gayo. CSIC-RedIRIS <susana.gayo(a)rediris.es> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> hr Ivan Maric <Ivan.Maric(a)stribor.srce.hr> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)heanet.ie> il Shuki Kenan <shuki(a)netvision.net.il> is Marius Olafsson <marius(a)isgate.is> it Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> li Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> lt Daiva Tamulioniene <daiva(a)sc-uni.ktu.lt> mk Goran Muratovski <gone(a)MARNET.MK> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Mirek Luc <mirek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <armando(a)rccn.net> ro Eugenie Staicut <estaicut(a)linkguide.ici.ro> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Robert Stone <robert(a)nosc.ja.net> Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Lee Wilmot RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Thu Nov 5 1998 This Count : Mon Dec 7 1998 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== ad + 237 885 256 629 + 629 ae + 304 9609 233 9376 + 9376 al 9 148 6 142 + 4 am 132 1133 215 918 + 39 at 28812 230337 65534 164803 + 5220 az 51 376 27 349 - 43 ba 57 689 62 627 + 524 be 12233 229092 25432 203660 + 1276 bf + 7 205 7 198 + 198 bg 633 12828 1616 11212 + 438 bh + 28 1036 120 916 + 916 bj + 13 76 16 60 + 60 by 124 1250 201 1049 - 45 cf + 2 6 0 6 + 6 ch 46804 285652 53810 231842 + 748 ci + 106 673 50 623 + 623 cm + 8 163 1 162 + 162 cv + 8 17 1 16 + 16 cy 657 5310 188 5122 + 54 cz 18640 90849 12674 78175 0 de 184901 1883085 453547 1429538 + 24843 dj + 3 11 2 9 + 9 dk 63983 344227 50300 293927 + 4605 dz 13 33 2 31 + 14 ee 2329 24160 1682 22478 - 56 eg 764 2708 263 2445 - 4 er + 1 1 0 1 + 1 es 12251 312337 13607 298730 + 10691 fi 9769 475627 15213 460414 - 4919 fo 168 599 32 567 + 9 fr 29275 551755 61921 489834 + 11901 ga + 9 29 19 10 + 10 gb 2 27 0 27 0 ge 50 734 35 699 - 35 gg + 143 235 163 72 + 72 gh + 9 301 37 264 + 264 gi + 85 620 300 320 + 320 gl + 181 1943 104 1839 + 1839 gn + 2 6 0 6 + 6 gq + 5 11 6 5 + 5 gr 9478 53186 3731 49455 + 3772 gw + 9351 50859 3784 47075 + 47075 hr 1853 14354 2534 11820 + 167 hu 6668 100031 10201 89830 + 2132 ie 6553 61562 7007 54555 + 2446 il 7378 132207 24685 107522 - 601 im + 162 113 40 73 + 73 iq + 1 0 0 0 0 ir + 60 798 72 726 + 726 is 1622 26037 1209 24828 + 768 it 45238 427761 57519 370242 - 22962 je + 137 153 64 89 + 89 jo + 328 1019 370 649 + 649 ke + 295 1842 537 1305 + 1305 kg + 44 1630 109 1521 + 1521 kz + 327 2523 471 2052 + 2052 lb + 1120 4186 749 3437 + 3437 li 746 1859 721 1138 + 47 lr + 3 0 0 0 0 lt 1342 10379 765 9614 + 14 lu 1734 8643 1187 7456 + 528 lv 1034 16301 2614 13687 + 1319 ly + 2 1 0 1 + 1 ma 292 2492 466 2026 + 395 mc + 195 560 155 405 + 405 md 106 722 174 548 - 95 mk 294 1175 147 1028 + 83 ml + 15 194 8 186 + 186 mt 284 2217 363 1854 + 38 ne + 12 96 3 93 + 93 ng + 159 589 392 197 + 197 nl 52641 670924 58967 611957 + 17410 no 22590 337645 18017 319628 + 3529 om + 22 2893 9 2884 + 2884 pl 19570 162541 37224 125317 - 1125 pt 7154 62725 8676 54049 + 1221 qa + 25 614 4 610 + 610 ro 1749 24605 2248 22357 + 1616 ru 15597 210351 46562 163789 + 9887 sa + 97 533 53 480 + 480 sd + 1 4 2 2 + 2 se 30722 450302 32408 417894 + 13520 si 3358 25416 2694 22722 + 500 sj + 1 0 0 0 0 sk 5849 27338 5400 21938 + 190 sl + 6 70 0 70 + 70 sm 55 331 9 322 + 75 sn + 56 813 174 639 + 639 su 1299 31866 1818 30048 + 295 sy + 4 1 0 1 + 1 td + 6 8 4 4 + 4 tj + 136 1389 1180 209 + 209 tm + 1670 2959 1773 1186 + 1186 tn 1 46 33 13 + 2 tr 7240 50648 5046 45602 + 4435 ua 1922 30721 9456 21265 + 138 ug + 14 119 5 114 + 114 uk 138211 1693823 263356 1430467 - 5984 uz + 164 821 352 469 + 469 va 2 8 0 8 0 ye + 19 33 18 15 + 15 yu 1905 7713 827 6886 - 114 ============================================================== 54 806144 9098885 1362431 7736454 + 88910 48 + 15583 90647 11643 79004 + 79004 ============================================================== 102 821727 9189532 1374074 7815458 +167914 tg gm so kw st et: these TLDs were not included due to problems of one sort or another running the count (mostly related to zone transfers).

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RIPE 32 Meeting Announcement
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

Dear Colleagues, [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] It is our pleasure to open registration for the 32nd RIPE meeting, which will be held at: Krasnapolsky Hotel, Damsquare, in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. The RIPE meeting will take place on the following days: Wednesday 27th, Thursday 28th and Friday 29th January 1999. Registration on site will open on Tuesday 26th January. The registration form and information about other meetings taking place on that day can be found on this page: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/mtg.html The registration fee of XEU 120 includes refreshments and lunch but doesn't include the RIPE dinner. The admission charge including the RIPE dinner event is XEU 175. Pre-payment facilities will close on January 18th. Registration forms will be accepted after this date, however in that case payment will not be processed and has to take place on site. For those of you who wish to attend the RIPE meeting and need a visa we would also like to advise you to begin these procedures as soon as possible. We will send invitations on request to those requiring them. If you have any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at <meeting(a)ripe.net>. Kind regards, Naomi de Bruyn RIPE Meeting Registrations ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration is also possible and easier online at: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/form.html %START Do not change the following field %MTG [ ripe32 ] Please add a value in the 'box' area marked between the square brackets (i.e. "[" and "]" s). If values are already supplied between the brackets, please delete all values except one. PART 1 - Registration Note this is what will be used for your badge and for the attendee list, so please take care to fill it in correctly. 1) Your name Please enter your first name only. e.g. John , Mary B. %NAME [ ] Please enter your surname next e.g. Doe %SURNAME [ ] 2) Your Organisation/Institution %ORG [ ] 3) Your Organizations Complete Postal Address e.g. Singel 258, 1016 AB Amsterdam, The Netherlands %ORGADDR [ ] 4) The NCC Reg-id of your Organisation %REGID [ ] (Only if you represent a Local Internet Registry) 5) Your e-mail address %EMAIL [ ] 6) Country code of organisation e.g. IT FR DE %CTRY [ ] 7) Do you want to attend the Newcomers Orientation Talk ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %INTRO-MTG [ no / yes ] 8) Do you want to attend the EOF Tutorial ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %EOF-TUTOR [ no / yes ] 9) Do you want to attend the RPSL course ? (please delete one option so your choice is in the form) %RPSL-COURSE [ no / yes ] PART 2 - Payment of Registration Fees WARNING!! - Note that sending your credit card information via e-mail is in principle not secure. The payment information will be transmitted in clear via e-mail. If you do not want to do this, please leave your credit card details blank in this form, and send them to us by fax. Please do not forget to mention your name and organisation on the fax, so there will be no risk in us getting confused. Our fax number is: +31 20 535 44 45 1) Method of payment. Payment in advance is greatly preferred. (please delete all choices except one) %PMETH [in advance; credit card at meeting; credit card at meeting; cash ] 2) Type of credit card (please delete all choices except one) %CTYPE [ VISA / American Express / Mastercard ] 3) Card number %CCNUM [ ] 4) Expiry date %CCDATE [ ] 5) Card holders name %CCNAME [ ] 6) Card holders address %CCADDR [ ] 7) Amount to be paid %AMT [RIPE Meeting only; XEU 120 RIPE Meeting plus RIPE dinner; XEU 175 ] Your payment cannot be processed after January 18th, 1999 with this form. You are welcome to send in your personal data with this form to register, but the payment can only be made at the meeting itself on January 26th, 27th, 28th and 29th 1999. %END

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Plenary Minutes RIPE 31
by RIPE NCC Meeting Registration 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

31st RIPE Meeting Plenary Minutes - DRAFT RIPE 31 Edinburgh, 23, 24 and 25 September 1998 Plenary Session Chair: Rob Blokzijl Scribe: Naomi de Bruyn/Mirjam Kuehne 1. Opening 2. Agenda 3. Minutes RIPE 30 4. From the Chair (Rob Blokzijl) 5. Report from the RIPE NCC (Mirjam Kuehne) 6. RIPE NCC 1999 Activity Plan (Daniel Karrenberg) 7. RIPE NCC 1998 Annual general Meeting (Keith Mitchell) 8. Some aspects of the new IANA (Dave Crocker) 9. New IANA: Progress reports (RIPE, RIPE NCC, CENTR) 10. European CERT Activities (Brian Gilmore) 11. Merit Post Routing Arbiter Activities (Gerald Winters) 12. Reports from the Working Groups 13. Next meetings 14. AOB 15. Close ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - 1. - Opening Rob Blokzijl opened the plenary session of the 31st RIPE meeting. - 2. - Agenda The agenda was approved as advertised. These minutes follow the agenda. - 3. - Minutes RIPE 30 The minutes of RIPE 30 were approved as they had been circulated before the meeting. No comments/additions. - 4. - From the chair Rob Blokzijl thanked the organization. - 5. - Report from the RIPE NCC (Mirjam Kuehne) http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-31/pres/ncc-report/index.html Q: When will the RIPE NCC report on Y2 compliance A: Maldwyn Morris: we start testing after RIPE 31 meeting in a couple of weeks time. As soon as we know what to do we will put a report on the web. Q: It might be useful to have more info on query statistics, not only how much but also on domain and Inetnums etc. also where domain would be delegated, whether change would be accepted or not. A: Daniel Karrenberg (Dfk): we will work on something. Q: Pgp authentication. Last meeting NCC said we had license for pgp. A: Joao Damas: we are finishing procedures, we'll be reviewing them and let everyone know. You will need to have a mntner object, you have to request that. It will check if you actually have a mntner object, we'll register it when we actually get the license. Details will be published in a few weeks. Q: did the NCC get much comments about problems with net66 allocations? A: Mirjam Kuehne: we have not had much feedback lately, in the beginning we constantly talked to people. Are frequently seeing customers with fire-walls get on-authorized requests. * Routing group discussion: signal queries versus Dfk we are doing that. Will not show. - 6. - RIPE NCC 1999 Activities and expenditure (Daniel Karrenberg) Q: what about using the web for payments? A: Dfk: we do have membership payments by credit card. People are reminded that this is not prefered, preferably by bank. It could be a way to improve no-payments of regular fees and meeting fees. Do people want the ncc to get a secure webserver? Hear a lot of yes. Pgp could be a potential solution? Maldwyn Morris will put the ripe-141 request form on web, we want to also use pgp for that, so the two might come together. Dfk: we will look into various things. Q: Procedure for re-allocating address space. A: Dfk we have a procedure at the moment, taking space away is not the prime objective. During some stage we look at whether there are announcements. This usually does not result in taking space away, can't do anything about the routing other then talking to the upstreams. At the very end of the procedure might take away inaddr. Not as effective as taking away routing but will work. Haven't reached those stages yet. As a first step take we do not take the already assigned address space. Only the space that was not assigned yet, we will formally take back. We don't want to hurt the users. Q: RIPE NCC gives address space to a LIR but if that LIR then assigns that address space to a 'user' we must try not to hurt that user. Hard to see the business part in that, trying to understand the explanation. A: Dfk: we don't lease. We have allocations and assignments. In our registration procedures there is a formal step, we give allocations. But nobody but a LIR can give assignments. They cannot allocate. The assignments hold and the allocation is taken back. - 7. - RIPE NCC 1998 Annual General Meeting (Keith Mitchell) Keith asked contributors present to please attend the AGM, which will take place at Amsterdam Schiphol Hilton. Discussed will be the fact that we need to make sure we have one AGM meeting a year instead of 2. Furthermore we plan to discuss the budget and the fees that come out of that budget. Important also is the election of candidates/board members. - 8. - EUROCERT. European Incident Response coordination service. (Brian Gilmore. Vice president of technical programme of TERENA) http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-31/pres/euro-cert/index.html Q: What is the level of contribution you would expect of an ISP A: 10.000 ECU as a sign-up fee. Terena expects to hand over this to someone else. A hot topic currently for discussion is to where it should go, to Dante? Or Ukerna (?) This will be discussed during contributors committee meeting next week. - 9. - Merit Post Routing Arbiter Activities (Gerald Winters) 'Post-Routing Arbiter Merit Activities' Gerald Winters, Graig Labovitz Merit network Inc. http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-31/pres/merit/index.html - 10. - Some aspects of the new IANA (Dave Crocker) Level 10 Routing Long Division and Irrational Factions http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-31/pres/level-10-routing/index.html Dave Crocker gave some history about technical and managerial issues that led to the current debate about the IANA. NSF made the initial mistake to hand over a revenue stream to NSI, of course NSI is now trying hard to keep it, and others try to get a part of the pie. Authority was given to IANA by the community, funding was given by the US government. The US government funding should have stoped earlier and taken over by the community. The discussion started by the US government by their green paper de-stabelised the Internet administration. He then described the process of the ad hoc committee that was set up to built new gTLDs. Also here, a few mistakes were made, even though many good principles were in the structure (not-for profit registries, independent oversight committees etc.). After that work had been done, it has been discovered that the world had changed. There were constructive discussions in the technical community. But there were also new players that had never heard of the Internet before but had much influence in the White House and that wanted to have a part of the pie. Which mistakes were made in this process: - technical community ended up in political discussions, where they were only used to hold technical debates. People who could not build the Internet, were trying to take it over. Dave Crockers says: we like to say "We are only technicians, not politicians" But in fact we created a social order, globally, that works for this type of technical activities. It is now under social threat. We do have influence and we should use it (difference between the green and the white paper shows that this works). The current set of bylaws (version 4) guarantee that no useful activity can happen for the next years, it is much too complicated to be implemented. The community can change things, but not with being polite! - 11. - New IANA: Progress reports (RIPE, RIPE NCC, CENTR) Keith Mitchell (chairman of RIPE NCC board) He has been very disappointed about the process and about the many unconstructive people involved in discussion, without taking the fact into account that we have a deadline to meet. He also critises the IFWP process (attended two of their meetings), main issues were domain name issues. Address issues were put aside (being ignored) Critises that wrap-up meeting was closed, this was then not going to happen and took place anyway. Then the NSI and IANA joined set of bylaws came out under strange circumstances. Points out a few details of the current draft (can be found on NCC reaction, see www.ripe.net/news/) In particular the focus on a membership organisation; user community is represented in too many places compared to other technical representation (through at large board members and through individual membership in the supporting organisations). What can we do: 1. common statement from this community (including various groups) 2. put names forward for the at large board members other than that he is worried that the whole process will be run by US government. Randy Bush added one correction: there was not only discussion between NSI and IANA, but also between NSI and US government. And another possibility of influencing the procedure is to involve the European Commission. Niall O'Reilly as the representative of the CENTR group added to that that also CENTR has sent out a reaction to the current set of IANA bylaws. This covered most of the facts that were also mentioned in the RIPE NCC reaction. Daniel Karrenberg adds to the discussion that he received a mail from Jon Postel who said that the IANA received the reactions from this community and listend to them. They are currently working very hard to put out a new version very soon. Hans Peter Holen asks if one possibility would be to dicuss here or in a small group concrete suggestions for changes. Come and speak to him any time, RIPE NCC is coordinating it. Frode Greisen suggests that the RIPE community brings out a resolution that says that the IANA should go back to version 3 of the bylaws. Q: Did the US government discuss the issue with other governments? Dfk: knows that they are discussing certainly with the EC and also with other governments. Keith Mitchell supports Frode Greisens suggestions. Send out statement 'go back to version 3, it wasn't broken, don't fix it.' Randy Bush supports the idea and suggests that RIPE together with the RIPE NCC and CENTR produces this statement, this would make it stronger. This idea was supported by the participants. - 12. - Reports from the Working Groups Database WG ----------- Chair: Wilfried Woeber Scribe: Ambrose Magee Participants: 50 EIX WG ------ Chair: Keith Mitchell <keith(a)linx.org> Scribe: Kevin Hoadley Netnews WG ---------- Chair: Felix Kugler Scribes: Petra Zeidler/Stefan Sticht Attendees: 50 LIR WG ------ Chair: Hans Peter Holen <hph(a)sys.sol.no> Scribe: Julia Edwards Many thanks to Mike Norris for his long lasting contribution as the LIR Working Group chair and for chairing this meeting! Q: what is the distribution robot? A: When one sends a mail to <hostmaster(a)ripe.net>, you don't get in touch with human, but with a robot. Address allocations will be automatically checked. TLD WG ------ Chair: Niall O'Reilly Scribe: Lars-Johan Liman Attendees: 68 Routing WG - DSTF ----------------- Chair: Joachim Schmitz Scribe: Mirjam Kuehne, Julia Edwards Attendees: 99 Report from the RPSL Tutorial http://www.isi.edu/ra/rps/training Reports on RPSL Deployment http://www.isi.edu/ra/rps/transition DSTF ---- Topics PGP implementation Draft-zsako-ripe-dbsec-pgp-authent-00.txt Discussion of RPS auth draft Draft-ietf-rps-auth-01.txt Project for prefix/origin authentication Implementation in the RIPE database software Anti-SPAM WG ------------ Chair: James Aldridge Scribe: Petra Zeidler Q: Will there be any recommendations on whether there wil be any code of conduct for relay. A: ISPs should approach their customers. The providers have relationships with their customers, the working group will not go after them. Mbone WG -------- Chair: Kurt Kayser Scribe: Ronnie Mackenzie Attendees: 68 DNS WG ------ Chair: Ruediger Volk Ipv6 ---- Chair: David Kessens Scribe: Mirjam Kuehne Attendees: 80 Q: What is the current status of RIPE Ipv6 address assignment input from ncc A: Action: will start in January 1999 - 13. - Next meetings: RIPE 32: January 27-29 1999, Amsterdam RIPE 33: May 1999, Vienna RIPE 34: September 1999, Amsterdam RIPE 35: January 2000, Amsterdam - 14. - A.O.B. Version 4 draft of the bylaws of the new IANA organization; Rob: the wording of the text will be done by the chair and input from Niall O'Reilly. No comment from people present. More than 240 people registered for this meeting. We all thank Edinburgh University for their hospitality and especially Keith Mitchell and his colleagues for providing these excellent facilities! - 15. - Close

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New Document available: RIPE-171
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