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RE: Please help: ptp links addresses
by Turff, Jeremy, TURFFJW 28 Jun '96

28 Jun '96

Dear Antonio We are using frame relay with Cisco routers. In our case we have used multipoint sub-interfaces. (note that multipoint has to be specified at both ends, you cannot combine point-to-point and multipoint) This has been used with a star configuration network where all of the user sites are connected to the central hub site over frame relay. This means that we do not need a subnet for each remote site which saves a lot of networks and means that we can use dual routers at the central hub site (with dual PVCs to provide resilience) and still get 250 user sites connected for each class C network number. I discussed this type of configuration on frame relay at a Cisco training course and it appears that few people are aware that this works. Hope this helps with frame relay - I cannot see it being of any use on point-to-point links, but will think about it's possible use on channelised ones cheers - Jeremy Jeremy Turff World Insurance Network Telephone +44 171 777 7621 ---------- From: owner-lir-wg[SMTP:owner-lir-wg@ripe.net] Sent: 25 June 1996 13:44 To: Antonio_Blasco Bonito Cc: lir-wg Subject: Re: Please help: ptp links addresses At 13:15 25/06/96 DST, Antonio_Blasco Bonito wrote: >Dear Local Registries, > > >I need some advice on the following: > >An italian ISP, which we run its delegated LIR, is planning its >backbone network where there are *A LOT* of point-to-point links (on >leased lines, on channelized lines, on Frame Relay PVCs, etc.). > >I know about two ways of managing the links in terms of IP addresses: > >1- using a /30 subnet for each link: > in this way both ends of the link have a unique address (binary > 01 and 10), but two addresses (binary 00 and 11) cannot be used, > so 50% of the address space used is wasted. This should be > avoided if possible because the address space required is > really large. > >2- using unnumbered interfaces for each link and, on cisco routers, > associating another interface IP address (the loopback interface > is quite useful for this purpose): > in this way addresses are not wasted but certain functionalities > are lost, i.e. SNMP monitoring of each physical interface, etc. > > >Are you aware of any other way to deal with this issue so that it >is possible to have IP addresses for each interface without wasting >address space? > >Thank you very much in advance. Of course ! You can use RFC1597 addresses which are routed only in your domain, so that your SNMP managers can reach each Interface. The problem is for somebody from the outside wanting to address the interface (which is frequent with tools like traceroute), who will not see any answers from your routers. Anyway, this is a good solution if you want access to your interfaces only from you domain (and, as a side effect, it increase security on your routers). We are currently using this scheme for our ISDN links. Regards, -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> /Jean-Francois "Jef" Stenuit | Interpac Belgium NV/SA | Solaris 2.x \ \Internet administrator | 350/358 Avenue Louise Box 11 | Cisco / /Phone (32)(2) 646-6000 | B-1050 Brussels | Netblazer \ \Fax (32)(2) 640-3638 | Belgium | / /Email stenuit(a)interpac.be | | expert ... \ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<

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Re: Bitrate tax.
by Mats.Brunell＠KKS.SE 28 Jun '96

28 Jun '96

At 14.26 96-06-12, Eric Luyten wrote: >(NOT a joke) > >The Belgian Minister for Telecommunications came up with the idea of >introducing a "bitrate tax" on information transmission. >A number of mainstream newspaper articles mentioned a similar initiative >in the U.S. of A. (an important argument to convince adversaries !) >The new tax is/was supposed to bring in between .3 and 3 billion ECU per >annum. And what would the consequensces be on creative communiations, new ideas new companies and commerce? Why not put even more tax so that the budget's get even more improved:-) I think these are the best argument's on these matters. --mats -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mats Brunell Stiftelsen för Kunskaps- och Kompetensutveckling Kungsgatan 28, 4 tr Box 3222 Tel: +46 8 14 49 45 S-103 64 Stockholm Fax: +46 8 24 75 09 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RIPE24: Draft Minutes available: ripe-m-24
by RIPE NCC 24 Jun '96

24 Jun '96

RIPE Minutes Announcement ------------------------- The RIPE24 minutes are now available from the RIPE document store : ripe-m-24 24th meeting 1996 April DFN/TU - Berlin We decided to already publish the minutes, although we expect some working group minutes to still come in. When we have received more minutes from the working groups, an updated version will be posted. FTP Access ---------- All RIPE minutes (and more) are available via anonymous FTP from host ftp.ripe.net. Type "ftp ftp.ripe.net". Login with username "anonymous" supplying your email address as the password. After logging in, type "cd ripe/minutes/" followed by the command "get filename". The relevant filenames for this document are: ripe-m-24.txt for the ASCII version ripe-m-24.ps for the PostScript version Electronic Mail Retrieval of Documents -------------------------------------- Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to: mail-server(a)ripe.net with "send HELP" in the body text. RIPE NCC Interactive Information Server --------------------------------------- Type "telnet info.ripe.net". This is a menu driven service allows the document store to be browsed. After reading documents you are prompted as to whether you would like to receive an email copy of the document you have just read. If you would, you simply enter your email address and the document will be mailed to you. Below are details of alternative methods of access. Gopher Access ------------- The same documents are available via a "gopher" server at "gopher gopher.ripe.net". WWW Access ---------- For those who wish to add this home page at the RIPE NCC to their own customized home pages, it can be accessed as: http://www.ripe.net MIME Mail Reader ---------------- Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the RIPE document by FTP or mail server. SEND ripe/minutes/ripe-m-24.txt

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error in TR data for April
by Mirjam Kuehne 17 Jun '96

17 Jun '96

Hi all, You might have noticed that the numbers of hosts in Turkey (TR) dropped significantly in April. This was due to an error in the count. Unfortunately I received the correct version only after I publuished the April data, so I planned to include a note in the May count, but I forgot :-( Becasue the difference is really significant, I would like you to note the following change: CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ wrong April data tr 140 3174 49 3125 - 5102 correct April data tr 234 9041 144 8897 + 670 This also effects the count for May: wrong May data tr 291 9981 193 9788 + 6663 correct May data: tr 291 9981 193 9788 + 891 . . . ============================================================ TOTALS 69879 2876817 137826 2738991 +133282 I will store the correct files from April on our ftp server until July. You can find them under: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/tr.{output,error}-April.gz Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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Re: Bitrate tax.
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 13 Jun '96

13 Jun '96

=> > TP - Tax paid I think it's more important to deal with the taxing environment ! E.g.: E0 transit (neither source nor destination within EC) E1 source or destination within EC E2 source and destination within EC TA tax paid abroad TB tax prepaid bulk (ship twice as fast, ignore TS) TR tax refund requested TM tax refund requested multiple (for multicast) TX tax exempt (sent on behalf of or under EC contract) TF data sent/received at a free port site TS special arrangements (have all routers consult central EC database before dealing with packet. That's for sites like CERN, ITU/CCITT, DANTE, UN,...) Morale: just have an April's fool day whenever you feel the need for it... Wilfried. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at Computer Center - ACOnet : Vienna University : Tel: +43 1 4065822 355 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4065822 170 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : NIC: WW144 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Bitrate tax.
by Eric Luyten 13 Jun '96

13 Jun '96

(NOT a joke) The Belgian Minister for Telecommunications came up with the idea of introducing a "bitrate tax" on information transmission. A number of mainstream newspaper articles mentioned a similar initiative in the U.S. of A. (an important argument to convince adversaries !) The new tax is/was supposed to bring in between .3 and 3 billion ECU per annum. On a remotely related topic : a wellknown organisation recently asked for our advice on the perceived need for Internet regulation. <double sigh> Eric.

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Re: Bitrate tax.
by Herman Van Uytven 13 Jun '96

13 Jun '96

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:56:13 +0200 you said: >> The Belgian Minister for Telecommunications came up with the idea >> of introducing a "bitrate tax" on information transmission. No panic. The Telecom Minister of the Dutch speaking part of Belgium replied that he could not agree because the Dutch speaking part of Belgium seems to consume more bits than the French speaking part of Belgium, so a tax that would flow to the 'country' is unacceptable. -Herman-

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Re: Bitrate tax.
by ben＠dxcern.cern.ch 13 Jun '96

13 Jun '96

Paul, I love your algorithm (.."use compression repeatedly on a message until it is reduced to zero bits..") and suggest it be applied to the Belgian Minister himself and (why not?) to DGXIII too. Another staunch European (:-)) Ben

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Re: Bitrate tax.
by Paul Bryant 13 Jun '96

13 Jun '96

At 16:01 12/06/96 +0200, you wrote: > The Belgian Minister for Telecommunications came up with the idea > of introducing a "bitrate tax" on information transmission. >Perhaps IPng provides a "tax paid" field in the IP header? :-) Nice to see you still alive and kicking. I have a better solution. Use compression repeatedly on a message until it is reduced to zero bits and then send it at zero cost. Paul. > > > Piet > > Paul Bryant - Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Chilton, Didcot, OX11 0QX, UK Mail P.Bryant(a)rl.ac.uk Tel.+44 1235 445 267 Fax. +44 1235 446 626

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European Writing Contest
by limerick-wg＠ripe.net 05 Jun '96

05 Jun '96

We could not let this announcement go past unseen. In absence of a limerick-distribution-mailinglist (which lmerick-wg(a)ripe.net is not), this goes to ripe-list for once... ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:40:01 +0200 From: getest06(a)IT.net (Paolo Rinaldi) To: limerick-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: European Writing Contest Dear Sirs, this is an European contest, but you may join if you like (with limericks on European cities). Please feel free to recirculate this e-mail. Paolo Rinaldi - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GRADARA LUDENS PROPOSES WORD GAMES AND GAMES WITH WORDS National and International Competitions Press Release no. 1 Gradara, Italy - May 6, 1996 - "An Acrostic for Gradara" and "A Tour of Europe in Limericks" are two word game competitions which Gradara Ludens has promoted during its fifth year in business. Since 1991 Gradara, a little city in The Marche known for the beautiful Rocca Malatestiana (Malatesta Fortress) and for the tragic love story of Paolo and Francesca (as told by Dante in the Divine Comedy), has given life to the cultural institution "Gradara Ludens" which has promoted important national events centering on games and simulations, experiencing directly the importance of games and the opportunities that games, the reasoning required by games, teaching of games and through games, and offering games for the building of rich and productive human relationships, and for producing culture and entertain. The panel of judges for the competitions is made up of the most famous italian word game experts of word games and the panel chairman is Umberto Eco. The finalists will be invited to the last stage in the competition which will be held on September 14 in Gradara. For the awards ceremony we are planning a real event, including prominent people in the world of culture and the best of the new italian comedians competing against each other in a live word game "duel". * "An Acrostic for Gradara" An acrostic is a brief composition in prose or verse, in which each of the words begins with a letter of a given word: an acrostic for "STRADA" (street) created by a listener of one successful radio program was "Scusa, Ti Ricordi Ancora Dove Andiamo?" (I beg your pardon, do you still remember where we are going?) From the prophecies of the ancient Sybils to the Nobel Prize winner Eugenio Montale, from Giovanni Boccaccio to Matteo Maria Boiardo, from the hymns to Queen Elisabeth I by Sir John Davies to a "valentine" letter by Edgar Allan Poe, acrostics have been used by poets and by those with a passion for word games (Lewis Carroll and, it seems, Queen Victoria were among them). The goal of the contest promoted by Gradara Ludens this year is to select and award a prize to the acrostic for the word GRADARA which best describes the activities and goals of Gradara Ludens. The winner's prize will be presented by Umberto Eco and the winning acrostic will become the official motto of the 1996 edition of Gradara Ludens. Contestants may post their entries, including their full name, address and telephone number, and only one acrostic by August 15, 1996, to the organizing secretary at the following address: "Un acrostico per Gradara" - Gunpowder, via Donizzetti 36, 20122 Milano, Italy, tel. 02-76001633. The organizing committee reserves the right to publish in full or in part, at their sole discretions, all material received, whether in electronic form or in print. * "A Tour of Europe in Limericks" Gradara Ludens is dedicating one of the events of the 1996 editions to the citizens of the European Union. "A Tour of Europe in Limericks" is not really a contest but a collection of individual efforts to achieve the communal goal. It is inspired by an initiative launched in the 1970s by Wutkis, pionieers of the creation of word games in Italy, in the first Italian monthly comic magazine, "Linus". A limerick is a kind of light verse, a brief and playful little poem of ancient tradition with precise rules: it must consist of five verses, the first line must end with the name of an existing city, which rhymes with the last word of the second and fifth lines, while the third verse rhymes with the fourth. The limerick appeared for the first time in print in England around 1820, but its origins are certainly much older. It came to be used as nursery rhimes, as in the case of the work of Edward Lear (1812-1888), as well for satirical and bawdy verses at dinner parties. It arrived in Italy in the 1920's by way of the translation of the very successful "Children's Encyclopedia". The 1930's saw the beginning of the diffusion in the universities, together with the interest in nonsense literature, and in the middle of the 1970's - shortly after the complete translation of Lear's "Book on Nonsense" and "More Nonsense" by the prestigious publisher Einaudi - - the Italian production of limericks reached its true peak. Today the fire is still smoldering under the ashes and the five irreverent verses appear often in the pages of literary magazines and in the cultural supplements of daily newspapers, not to mention in the margins of schoolchildren's workbooks. Are we on the verge of a new fiery outburst? All European citizens are eligible to participate in the new Tour of Europe by sending their compositions (written in any language of the EU) either by regular mail ("Giro d'Europa in Limerick" - Gunpowder, via Donizzetti 36, 20122 Milano, Italy) or by e-mail (the address is limerick(a)it.net) The rules are very few. Participants may send rhymes inspired by any city in the European Union, including obviously their own. Each entry selected by the panel will go to find its place on a map of Europe, accessible on the Internet (http://www.it.net/itinerari/) by the thirty million users of the World Wide Web, thanks to the server ITnet, one of the leading Italian providers. * The contest The 1996 edition of "Gradara Ludens", which will take place from the 12th to the 22nd of September, includes numerous side initiatives in addition to the competition itself. These include the convention "Games and Words" (September 13-14), presented by the Italian Association of Semiological Studies (AISS) with the partecipation of famous semiologists including Umberto Eco, Omar Calabrese, Paolo Fabbri, etc. Also on September 14 the Gradara Ludens Prize will be awarded to the "year's most playful personality". Past winners include Alex Randolph, Giampaolo Dossena and the Benetton Foundation. In 1995 it was awarded to Umberto Eco for his contribution to the world of word games. The days of Gradara Ludens 1996 will also see enthusiasts from all over Italy competing in board games and poetry improvisation contests. Authors (and would-be authors) can attend demonstrations of hypertext-writing programs, given by experts in the field; it will also be possible to participate in courses teaching these new tecniques of computer-aided writing. Interested parties will be able to have a direct experience "navigating" on computer in literary and scientific hypertexts. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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