November 1996 - ripe-list - mailman.ripe.net

New Document available: RIPE-145
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 06 Nov '96

06 Nov '96

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Ref: ripe-145 Title: RIPE NCC Contributors Committee, 1996 Annual Meeting, Minutes Author: D. Karrenberg, R. Muit Date: 6 November 1996 Format: Obsoletes: Obsoleted by: Updates: Updated by: See also: Short content description ------------------------- These are the *draft* minutes of the 1996 annual meeting of the RIPE NCC Contributors Committee. All contributors please take not and direct any comments or corrections to me. I apologise for the delays in preparing these minutes. Work items generated by this meeting and the RIPE meeting a week later plus a lot of unexpected work kept me quite busy. Daniel Karrenberg Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-145 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-145.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-145.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-145.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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SIRCE Funding Message
by Daniel Karrenberg 06 Nov '96

06 Nov '96

Dear Contributor, The RIPE NCC has proposed to execute a pilot project to provide Security Incident Response Coordination in Europe (SIRCE) starting in early 1997. In the past this has sometimes be called the Euro-CERT. We made this proposal assuming that there is a need for such a service among the European ISPs, i.e. the current customers of the RIPE NCC. Now that the proposal has been published as document ripe-150, we ask you to examine it and to commit a financial contribution to the pilot in 1997. The benefits for those contributing include: - Preferred Service Non-paying customers will only receive service if there is no outstanding work for paying customers. - Influence Paying customers will determine the general direction, the policies and the services of SIRCE. - Credit The level of your contribution will be publicly acknowledged. The minimum contribution is ECU 500 and there is no maximum. As explained in the proposal we are looking for an average contribution around ECU 1000. The contributions will be invoiced once the project has definitely started. If the project is oversubscribed the amounts invoiced will be reduced pro rata. Should there be insufficient commitments to fund the project, we will withdraw our proposal. The deadline for contributions is November 27th 1996. Until then we will regularly publish the commitments already made. Please use the form below to make commitments and pass this message on to those who might be interested to participate. Of course I will be happy to answer any questions you may have. With thanks in advance for your support Daniel Karrenberg ------ %START %FORM [sirce9601] I herby commit to contribute the ECU amount indicated to the SIRCE pilot project as defined in ripe-150 and the documents it refers to. I confirm that I have authority to commit my organisation for this contribution. I expect to be invoiced for this contribution as soon as the project will have started. Please put information between the brackets. Please give your full name. %NAME [ ] Please give your position in the organisation. %POS [ ] Specify the registry ID of your organisation if it has one. %REGID [ ] If you have *not* specified a registry ID above, please give the full organisation name and billing address. We will contact you for more details if necessary. %ORGNAME [ ] %ADDRESS [ ] Committed amount in ECU. Minimum is ECU 500. Excludes VAT where applicable. %AMOUNT [ ] Any billing reference that you may wish to be mentioned on the invoice. %BILLREF [ ] %END

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Re: The use of high speed (>34Mbit/s) within Europe
by Peter Lothberg 05 Nov '96

05 Nov '96

> At 16:52 04.11.96, Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk wrote: > >I hope this query is a reasonable use of this list. I have been asked to > >come up with a summary of the use of high speed (which means more than E3 - > >34Mbit/s in this context) in Europe. The query really means off campus, > > . . . . . . > > Further to my message of yesterday evening, you might also like to look > at > > http://www.dante.net/ten-34/nn-high-speed.html > > It is surprising how easily you forget what is on your own machine. > > Best wishes, > > Howard > > > Why are planning for the future focused on 34Mbit? It's slow, does not map into SDH (only as VC3, but the same VC3 would also hold a 45Mbps.) It has ben demostrated that it is possible to even build transatlantic 155Mbit circiuts (using native IP over SDH), so why not in Europe? --Peter

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New Document available: RIPE-ripe-150
by RIPE NCC Document Annoucement Service 05 Nov '96

05 Nov '96

New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- A revised/new document is available from the RIPE document store. Short content description ------------------------- In this document, we propose to execute a pilot pro- ject for Security Incident Response Coordination in Europe (SIRCE) at the RIPE NCC. We present relevant information about the RIPE NCC, including the rea- sons why the NCC offers a uniquely suitable setting for the SIRCE project. Financial contributions to this pilot project will be requested in a seperate message Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- You can access the RIPE document store via the World Wide Web; RIPE-ripe-150 is not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-ripe-150.html The RIPE document store is also available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The full filenames of the new documents on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-ripe-150.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-ripe-150.txt for the plain text version Documents can also be retrieved from the RIPE document store using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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Re: The use of high speed (>34Mbit/s) within Europe
by Howard.Davies＠dante.org.uk 05 Nov '96

05 Nov '96

At 16:52 04.11.96, Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk wrote: >I hope this query is a reasonable use of this list. I have been asked to >come up with a summary of the use of high speed (which means more than E3 - >34Mbit/s in this context) in Europe. The query really means off campus, . . . . . . Further to my message of yesterday evening, you might also like to look at http://www.dante.net/ten-34/nn-high-speed.html It is surprising how easily you forget what is on your own machine. Best wishes, Howard

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Re: The use of high speed (>34Mbit/s) within Europe
by Howard.Davies＠dante.org.uk 04 Nov '96

04 Nov '96

At 16:52 04.11.96, Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk wrote: >I hope this query is a reasonable use of this list. I have been asked to >come up with a summary of the use of high speed (which means more than E3 - >34Mbit/s in this context) in Europe. The query really means off campus, >rather than FDDI and Fast Ethernet within an organization. I have a >reasonable idea of the picture within the UK (SuperJANET, and the various >MAN initiatives), but my picture across Europe is much more patchy. There >are a few pointers that I have been given, and I've just emailed off some >specific queries to some folk (some of whom are also on this list, so >please forgive me for pestering you with a similar query). > >So, please, if you know of any communication at these speeds that is >outside the "local area", please drop me an email. I would very much >appreciate a specific references that I can quote (URL to something pretty >and informative would be good). Anything outside the local area qualifies, >whether it is a few miles across a city, a national initiative, a >trans-european link, or even an international link. However, I really would >appreciate it if you could make the destinction between those things that >are actually shifting bits now, and those that are merely figments on a >proposal. > >I will of course, summarise to the list. > > Denis. > Denis, In relation to our planning, ie that of DANTE and the NRNs participating in TEN-34, I recently sent out a simple questionnaire (copy below) concerning the use of 155 Mbit/s services. I have had nine responses so far but I hesitate to pass them on without seeking the agreement of my informants (data provided for one purpose should not be used for other purposes etc - even if it is not personal). Can you please let me know a bit more about the purpose of your own questions? I know how difficult it is to get hold of reliable information and I would like to share what we have both got as long as this is legitimate. Best wishes, Howard --------------------------------- 1. Do you already have any 155 Mbit/s links in service? Yes/no If yes, how many organisations/sites are connected? Skip to question 4 2. Do you have any 155 Mbit/s links in use for testing purposes? Yes/no If yes, when do you expect to start (national) services based on such links? Skip to question 4 3. Do you have any plans to install (national) 155 Mbit/s links for testing or for operational services? Yes/no If yes, when do you expect the first installations to be made? 4. Given the plans for TEN-34, at what date would you (realistically) like to see an international (European) 155 Mbit/s service in place? 5. Can you give us a pointer to any document (or Web page etc) which briefly describes your activities/plans/strategy in relation to 155 Mbit/s services? Since the answers to the questions should be easy to provide, could you please respond before (or, at the latest, at) next Tuesday's SG meeting. If there is any information you wish to add, you are of course welcome to do so. end

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RIPE25: Draft Minutes available: ripe-m-25
by RIPE NCC 04 Nov '96

04 Nov '96

RIPE Minutes Announcement ------------------------- The RIPE25 minutes are now available from the RIPE document store : ripe-m-25 25th meeting 1996 September NIKHEF/CWI - Amsterdam The minutes are unfortunately not available yet on the RIPE WWW server (except for the link to the FTP site from http://www.ripe.net) The RIPE Meeting minutes are available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/minutes. The full filenames of the new minutes on the FTP-server are: ripe/docs/ripe-m-25.ps for the PostScript version ripe/docs/ripe-m-25.txt for the plain text version The minutes can also be retrieved using a mail server program. For more information on how to use the program, send email to <mail-server(a)ripe.net> with "send HELP" in the body text.

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The use of high speed (>34Mbit/s) within Europe
by Denis.Russell＠ncl.ac.uk 04 Nov '96

04 Nov '96

I hope this query is a reasonable use of this list. I have been asked to come up with a summary of the use of high speed (which means more than E3 - 34Mbit/s in this context) in Europe. The query really means off campus, rather than FDDI and Fast Ethernet within an organization. I have a reasonable idea of the picture within the UK (SuperJANET, and the various MAN initiatives), but my picture across Europe is much more patchy. There are a few pointers that I have been given, and I've just emailed off some specific queries to some folk (some of whom are also on this list, so please forgive me for pestering you with a similar query). So, please, if you know of any communication at these speeds that is outside the "local area", please drop me an email. I would very much appreciate a specific references that I can quote (URL to something pretty and informative would be good). Anything outside the local area qualifies, whether it is a few miles across a city, a national initiative, a trans-european link, or even an international link. However, I really would appreciate it if you could make the destinction between those things that are actually shifting bits now, and those that are merely figments on a proposal. I will of course, summarise to the list. Denis. Denis Russell email: Denis.Russell(a)ncl.ac.uk Computing Service Tel: (+44) 191 222 8243 University of Newcastle Fax: (+44) 191 222 8765 Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU ENGLAND

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