Welcoming the new RIPE Chair Team
Dear colleagues, I am pleased to announce that our new RIPE Chair team has now officially started their five-year term as of RIPE 91, which took place in Bucharest from 20-24 October 2025. Mirjam Kühne will continue in her role as RIPE Chair, and Anna Wilson will be the new RIPE Vice Chair. On behalf of the RIPE NCC, I extend a warm welcome to our new RIPE Chair team. I would also like to extend my thanks to Niall O'Reilly for having served the community as the RIPE Vice Chair for the past five years. Niall, your thoughtfulness and near encyclopaedic knowledge of RIPE and how it has evolved has been invaluable. Thank you again for your work. My sincere thanks to Jan Zorz for serving as the Chair of the RIPE NomCom and leading the RIPE Chair selection process as well as all the NomCom volunteers and liaisons who contributed their time to this important community process, and to all the RIPE Chair and Vice Chair nominees. Hans Petter Holen CEO and Managing Director RIPE NCC
Hi Everyone,
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN. The need for transparency takes precedence over privacy in such a situation. Moreover, I know there has been great rank and file ISP dissatisfaction with RIPE's fees (expressed on the message boards of national network operator groups like the French one) and skepticism about whether RIPE's costs are justified. In addition, RIPE's annual financial format is constantly changing. So there is a general lack of financial transparency. These are easy problems to fix Regards, Roderick. -- Roderick Beck Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144. Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net Articles: https://subseacables.blogspot.com/ Telegram: @RoderickBeck Tallinn & Budapest.
Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi Gert, That is a bold statement. ;-) Am 06.11.25, 13:20 schrieb "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- Kind regards Sebastian Becker The compulsory statement can be found here: www.telekom.com/compulsory-statement <color: rgb(5, 99, 193); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;>
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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And what makes it the global de facto standard? Because one country does something, doesn't mean others need to follow. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2025 11:34 PM To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- Roderick Beck Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144. Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net<mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Articles: https://subseacables.blogspot.com/ Telegram: @RoderickBeck Tallinn & Budapest.
Disclosure of senior management salaries helps reduce excessive compensation, which is a very common problem due to the often cozy relationship between the supervisory board and senior management. Human nature is guided by self interest and there have been plenty of non-profit scandals over the years. If you are a running a company or organization in the public interest, you sure as hell should be willing to disclose your compensation. The only real motive for not dosing so is embarassment as how much money you are making. Good ideas are good ideas whether Europe practices them or not, Gert. And let me add that given the scandals in European cooperates and at the EU Parliament, European transparency standards are low and inadequate. Privacy is used as a cover for inadequate disclosure and bad deeds. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:42 PM Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au> wrote:
And what makes it the global de facto standard?
Because one country does something, doesn't mean others need to follow.
Regards, Christopher Hawker ------------------------------ *From:* Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> *Sent:* Thursday, 6 November 2025 11:34 PM *To:* Gert Doering <gert@space.net> *Cc:* ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> *Subject:* [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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A compromise option in a scenario like this is to disclose the salary bands of senior managers rather than the exact salaries of individuals. If the objective is to have transparency and to avoid any suggestion of excessive compensation, disclosing the number of execs in a number of salary bands ought to be sufficient. Andrew From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Sent: 06 November 2025 08:16 To: chris@thesysadmin.au Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles Disclosure of senior management salaries helps reduce excessive compensation, which is a very common problem due to the often cozy relationship between the supervisory board and senior management. Human nature is guided by self interest and there have been plenty of non-profit scandals over the years. If you are a running a company or organization in the public interest, you sure as hell should be willing to disclose your compensation. The only real motive for not dosing so is embarassment as how much money you are making. Good ideas are good ideas whether Europe practices them or not, Gert. And let me add that given the scandals in European cooperates and at the EU Parliament, European transparency standards are low and inadequate. Privacy is used as a cover for inadequate disclosure and bad deeds. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:42 PM Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au<mailto:chris@thesysadmin.au>> wrote: And what makes it the global de facto standard? Because one country does something, doesn't mean others need to follow. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net<mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net>> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2025 11:34 PM To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net<mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net> <ripe-list@ripe.net<mailto:ripe-list@ripe.net>> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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Hello Andrew,
A compromise option in a scenario like this is to disclose the salary bands of senior managers rather than the exact salaries of individuals. If the objective is to have transparency and to avoid any suggestion of excessive compensation, disclosing the number of execs in a number of salary bands ought to be sufficient.
The staff numbers and full salary scale breakdown is part of the Activity Plan and Budget (https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/ripe-835.pdf) on page 5:
On 6. Nov 2025, at 15:24, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
The staff numbers and full salary scale breakdown is part of the Activity Plan and Budget (https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/ripe-835.pdf) on page 5:
And to add one more data point here: The RIPE NCC financial report 2024 lists the "Remuneration of RIPE NCC Management" (in total, not per person): https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/ripe-841.pdf, page 37 Divide this number by the number of people also listed there and you essentially have the yearly salary of senior management; pretty much in line with the table Sander posted. I think this is transparent enough. Cheers -Andreas
On 6. Nov 2025, at 09:3324, Andreas Härpfer <ah@v6x.org> wrote:
I think this is transparent enough.
+1 Andrew
roderick.beck@networksourcing.net (Roderick Beck) wrote:
Disclosure of senior management salaries helps reduce excessive compensation, which is a very common problem due to the often cozy relationship between the supervisory board and senior management.
You are projecting US business practices onto other countries. I do not believe there's any merit here, and certainly no legal basis for it under European law, you know, the area of the planet where the rule of law is still obeyed?. Rest of blurb deleted. Elmar.
Hi, On Thu, Nov 06, 2025 at 01:34:42PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Over here in Europe, privacy concerns are valued quite a bit. So argueing with US standards for a european entity is just not going to give your arguments a good start. Personally, I do not need to know Mirjam's or Hans-Petter's salary - I can see that they are doing a good job, and that there are very few candidates that will do this job equally well. So I don't really care how much they make, and for what the RIPE membership costs us yearly, it does not make a significant difference. If I were interested, I could go and ask, as a paying member, and I'm sure I would receive an adequate answer. I wouldn't post it to Internet, though. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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Privacy is a basic human right. If you're employed in a country which mandates salary disclosure for certain positions within an organisation and you don't want your salary disclosed? Easy, don't work for the company. It's a personal choice. To be honest, I could not care less what they are being paid, so long as they are following the ethics of the org, aren't extorting members, and are performing the roles and functions in which the community expects them to. I recall we had this discussion on LinkedIn a few months ago regarding the salaries of senior executives at ARIN, and my same remarks apply - if you want to attract the knowledgeable and skilful talent to the non-profit sector, you need to remunerate accordingly. If you want to only pay bananas, you're only going to get monkeys... I stand with Ondrej in the sense that we vote for the board members of our respective RIRs, and they're the ones who approve the salaries of the executive leadership teams for their respective registries. Don't like the salaries being paid? Don't vote for the people who set them. Although they are all doing excellent work and I have the utmost trust in what they do. Regards, Christopher Hawker ________________________________ From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Sent: Friday, 7 November 2025 12:30 AM To: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org<mailto:ondrej@sury.org>> wrote: It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer. Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net<mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net>> wrote: That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european. Kind regards, Clément Cavadore Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit :
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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On 11/6/25 2:58 PM, Clément Cavadore via ripe-list wrote:
We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european.
I am a bit surprised about the sentiment that salary transparency would be a North American thing, since the EU Directive on Equal Pay Through Pay Transparency and Enforcement Mechanisms has been adopted in 2023, and is in effect since this year [0][1]. Best, Niels [0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2023/970/oj/eng [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_881
Kind regards,
Clément Cavadore
Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit :
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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IANAL but the way I read the EU salary transparency (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/) says nothing about reporting individual people’s salaries. The goal of the directive isn’t eliminating nepotism but closing the gender gap. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 9:24, Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
On 11/6/25 2:58 PM, Clément Cavadore via ripe-list wrote:
We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european.
I am a bit surprised about the sentiment that salary transparency would be a North American thing, since the EU Directive on Equal Pay Through Pay Transparency and Enforcement Mechanisms has been adopted in 2023, and is in effect since this year [0][1].
Best,
Niels
[0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2023/970/oj/eng [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_881
Kind regards, Clément Cavadore Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit :
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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Indeed, and as Sander pointed out: On 11/6/25 3:24 PM, Sander Steffann wrote:
The staff numbers and full salary scale breakdown is part of the Activity Plan and Budget (https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/ripe-835.pdf) on page 5
So RIPE NCC seems to be compliant with the directive by providing sufficient information. So it seems that we're discussing a non-issue. Best, Niels On 11/6/25 3:36 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
IANAL but the way I read the EU salary transparency (https:// www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/ <https:// www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/>) says nothing about reporting individual people’s salaries. The goal of the directive isn’t eliminating nepotism but closing the gender gap.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 9:24, Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
On 11/6/25 2:58 PM, Clément Cavadore via ripe-list wrote:
We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european.
I am a bit surprised about the sentiment that salary transparency would be a North American thing, since the EU Directive on Equal Pay Through Pay Transparency and Enforcement Mechanisms has been adopted in 2023, and is in effect since this year [0][1].
Best,
Niels
[0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2023/970/oj/eng [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_881
Kind regards, Clément Cavadore Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit :
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote: > In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior > management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a > nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given > that RIPE > is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for > ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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I am not checking my emails until Nov 14th, 2025. Thanks, Samaneh On Nov 6, 2025, at 2:58 PM, Clément Cavadore via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european. Kind regards, Clément Cavadore Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit : It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote: It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer. Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote: That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote: In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN. We are not in the US... Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Karin Schuler, Sebastian Cler Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- Roderick Beck Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144. Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net Articles: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://subseacables.blogspot.com/__;!!PtGJab4!8... [subseacables[.]blogspot[.]com] Telegram: @RoderickBeck Tallinn & Budapest. ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-lis... [mailman[.]ripe[.]net] As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-m... [ripe[.]net] -- Envoyé de mon appareil Android avec Courriel K-9 Mail. Veuillez excuser ma brièveté. ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-lis... [mailman[.]ripe[.]net] As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-m... [ripe[.]net]
If I understand it properly, your problem is with Dutch and/or EU legislative, not RIPE NCC in particular. Public traded companies have a whole different governance structure than the RIPE NCC, which is an association under Dutch law. The main differences can be found here: https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/legal-forms-and-governance/ Best regards, Michiel Klaver -----Original message----- It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <mailto:ondrej@sury.org> wrote: It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer. Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote: That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <mailto:gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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If I understand it properly, your problem is with Dutch and/or EU legislative, not RIPE NCC in particular. Public traded companies have a whole different governance structure than the RIPE NCC, which is an association under Dutch law. The main differences can be found here: https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/legal-forms-and-governance/ Best regards, Michiel Klaver Van: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2025 14:30 Aan: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> CC: ripe-list@ripe.net Onderwerp: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org <mailto:ondrej@sury.org> > wrote: It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer. Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net <mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> > wrote: That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net <mailto:gert@space.net> > wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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I am not checking my emails until Nov 14th, 2025. Thanks, Samaneh On Nov 6, 2025, at 3:34 PM, Michiel Klaver via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: If I understand it properly, your problem is with Dutch and/or EU legislative, not RIPE NCC in particular. Public traded companies have a whole different governance structure than the RIPE NCC, which is an association under Dutch law. The main differences can be found here: https://business.gov.nl/running-your-business/legal-forms-and-governance/ Best regards, Michiel Klaver Van: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Verzonden: donderdag 6 november 2025 14:30 Aan: Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> CC: ripe-list@ripe.net Onderwerp: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote: It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer. Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries. Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote: That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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Discussion about (publishing) NCC salaries is inappropriate for ripe-list and needs to stop here. Either take it to the RIPE members list or raise the issues at the AGM/EGM.
No it isn’t. The US tax authorities mandate that the top X employees’ salaries be disclosed in the form 990. That’s a tax thing not a transparency thing. It’s none or your business or mine’s how much any employee of RIPE NCC earns. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<tel:+353599183072> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<tel:+353599183090> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Date: Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 07:40 To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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On 06/11/2025 14:12, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via ripe-list wrote:
The US tax authorities mandate that the top X employees’ salaries be disclosed in the form 990. That’s a tax thing not a transparency thing.
And in any case, using US as a guideline for transparency is somewhat amusing these days... Julf
I am not checking my emails until Nov 14th, 2025. Thanks, Samaneh On Nov 6, 2025, at 3:00 PM, Johan Helsingius via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: On 06/11/2025 14:12, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via ripe-list wrote: The US tax authorities mandate that the top X employees’ salaries be disclosed in the form 990. That’s a tax thing not a transparency thing. And in any case, using US as a guideline for transparency is somewhat amusing these days... Julf ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-lis... [mailman[.]ripe[.]net] As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-m... [ripe[.]net]
I am not checking my emails until Nov 14th, 2025. Thanks, Samaneh On Nov 6, 2025, at 2:12 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote: No it isn’t. The US tax authorities mandate that the top X employees’ salaries be disclosed in the form 990. That’s a tax thing not a transparency thing. It’s none or your business or mine’s how much any employee of RIPE NCC earns. -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ [blacknight.com] https://blacknight.blog/ [blacknight.blog] Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ [michele.blog] Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ [ceo.hosting] ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Date: Thursday, 6 November 2025 at 07:40 To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency. Regards, Roderick. On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
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Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
Roderick, You appear to be confusing RIPE and the RIPE NCC, which is quite the starting point for a post about governance. You also invoke U.S. non-profit rules as though they were some kind of global standard. They are not. The RIPE NCC operates under Dutch law, within the EU, where transparency and privacy are balanced obligations, not competing slogans. Publishing individual salary data is neither required nor culturally appropriate, and frankly wouldn’t make the NCC’s finances one bit more accountable. The RIPE NCC already publishes audited financial statements, annual reports, activity plans, and detailed budgets; all approved by its membership. We (members) elect the Executive Board who are accountable for spending. Everything material is already open. What’s not open are people’s payslips. That’s fine. Your calling the RIPE NCC a “monopoly” is a bit of theatre. It’s a member-run, non-profit organisation whose fees, budgets, and board elections are controlled by the members themselves. The ARIN budget comparison doesn’t hold water: The RIPE NCC serves a larger and more diverse region — over 20,000 members spanning Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia — and supports community services (RIPE Atlas, RIPEstat, RIS, etc.) that ARIN doesn’t run. In short: wrong entity, wrong forum, wrong facts. -a
Hi, From what I understand, apart from nonprofit organizations in the United States, Japan also requires government officials to disclose their salaries and bank account information. Back to RIPE, I agree with Andy’s opinion. Among the Regional Internet Registries, RIPE stands out as one of the more efficient and user-friendly ones. Its Internet Routing Registry database is easy to use and designed with both Local Internet Registries and their downstream customers in mind. For example, when an LIR allocates IP resources to a client, that client can still log in through RIPE’s web interface to manage their own entries. This flexibility is a major reason why many operators prefer to have resousces from RIPE. In contrast, ARIN and APNIC lack such convenience APNIC, for instance, often takes up to two weeks to respond to support tickets. Moreover, RIPE also operates several additional projects, which further highlights its strong position among the RIRs. Regards, Brandon Zhang Huicast Telecom Limited www.huicast.com<http://www.huicast.com/> | Twitter<https://x.com/huicast> [https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4xhYeuINpPzGCM4XgvXY1DpFfNaK...] This e-mail and any attachments or any reproduction of this e-mail in whatever manner are confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. Huicast Telecom Limited can’t take any liability and guarantee of the text of the email message and virus. ________________________________ From: Andy Davidson <andy@nosignal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2025 10:00 AM To: Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> Cc: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: Good Governance Principles Hi, On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote:
In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given that RIPE is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
Roderick, You appear to be confusing RIPE and the RIPE NCC, which is quite the starting point for a post about governance. You also invoke U.S. non-profit rules as though they were some kind of global standard. They are not. The RIPE NCC operates under Dutch law, within the EU, where transparency and privacy are balanced obligations, not competing slogans. Publishing individual salary data is neither required nor culturally appropriate, and frankly wouldn’t make the NCC’s finances one bit more accountable. The RIPE NCC already publishes audited financial statements, annual reports, activity plans, and detailed budgets; all approved by its membership. We (members) elect the Executive Board who are accountable for spending. Everything material is already open. What’s not open are people’s payslips. That’s fine. Your calling the RIPE NCC a “monopoly” is a bit of theatre. It’s a member-run, non-profit organisation whose fees, budgets, and board elections are controlled by the members themselves. The ARIN budget comparison doesn’t hold water: The RIPE NCC serves a larger and more diverse region — over 20,000 members spanning Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia — and supports community services (RIPE Atlas, RIPEstat, RIS, etc.) that ARIN doesn’t run. In short: wrong entity, wrong forum, wrong facts. -a
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