Indeed, and as Sander pointed out: On 11/6/25 3:24 PM, Sander Steffann wrote:
The staff numbers and full salary scale breakdown is part of the Activity Plan and Budget (https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/ripe-835.pdf) on page 5
So RIPE NCC seems to be compliant with the directive by providing sufficient information. So it seems that we're discussing a non-issue. Best, Niels On 11/6/25 3:36 PM, Ondřej Surý wrote:
IANAL but the way I read the EU salary transparency (https:// www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/ <https:// www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency/>) says nothing about reporting individual people’s salaries. The goal of the directive isn’t eliminating nepotism but closing the gender gap.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 9:24, Niels ten Oever <lists@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
On 11/6/25 2:58 PM, Clément Cavadore via ripe-list wrote:
We, in Europe, usually have different opinions from Americans about salaries and privacy. What you strongly think about this is not what others parties think, and you should respect that, as RIPE is european.
I am a bit surprised about the sentiment that salary transparency would be a North American thing, since the EU Directive on Equal Pay Through Pay Transparency and Enforcement Mechanisms has been adopted in 2023, and is in effect since this year [0][1].
Best,
Niels
[0] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2023/970/oj/eng [1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_881
Kind regards, Clément Cavadore Le 6 novembre 2025 14:30:01 GMT+01:00, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> a écrit :
It is not illegal. Privacy is not an absolute right. The annual salary of Orange's CEO is 2.67 million Euros. Most countries require that publicly traded companies disclose the salaries of senior management. They are accountable to their investors and the general public. Just as RIPE senior management should be accountable to the ISPs for which they work. You can't have accountability when the people in charge only disclose the aggregate figure in order to shield from scrutiny.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 2:07 PM Ondřej Surý <ondrej@sury.org> wrote:
It’s also illegal in EU as far as I can tell. Individuals can disclose their salaries, but it can’t be mandated by the employer.
Personally, I can’t see any good outcome of that and I care about the good job that the RIPE/RIPE NCC does and I trust the people in charge to make rational decisions about the salaries.
Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him)
On 6. 11. 2025, at 7:40, Roderick Beck <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
That's not a good argument. Disclosure of individual salaries is de facto the global standard for transparency.
Regards,
Roderick.
On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:06 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 07:31:27PM +0100, Roderick Beck wrote: > In the US all non-profits must disclose the individual salaries of senior > management. RIPE does not even though it functions effectively as a > nonprofit. I think more transparency is due in this respect given > that RIPE > is also a monopoly and has a budget of $40 million versus $33 million for > ARIN and twice as many employees and contractors as ARIN.
We are not in the US...
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