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Re: PI IPv4 and PI IPv6 IXP assignments
by internetjoe＠posteo.net 14 Mar '26

14 Mar '26

Dear RIPE Community(?), Mr. Doering's argument that the RIPE region is inherently more complex than ARIN due to its diversity of legal frameworks is certainly a point of view, but it remains quite vague. Web research shows his long-standing involvement in the community and his previous advocacy for the organization, it's reasonable to consider whether this perspective might be influenced by a certain bias. When looking at the financial statements, the costs associated with registry maintenance appear to be a relatively modest portion of the overall budget. Even if these costs were to increase, the impact would likely be manageable. What stands out, however, is that a significant majority (well over two-thirds) of the budget is allocated to activities that are not directly related to the core function of managing the registry. This raises important questions: Why is such a large portion of the budget directed toward non-core activities? What are the strategic priorities driving these allocations, and how do they align with the needs and expectations of the membership? It would be valuable to hear the board's perspective on this matter, as their insights could provide much-needed clarity and context. Disclaimer: We are a German-based startup currently exploring options to move the management of our internet resources in house. We have to stress that we are new to this community but have a keen interest in learning. BR, Rene

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Updated RIPE Programme Committee Charter published as ripe-853
by Mirjam Kuehne 13 Mar '26

13 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, The updated RIPE Programme Committee Charter is now published as ripe-853: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-853/ Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne

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PI IPv4 and PI IPv6 IXP assignments
by info＠rudaki-ix.net 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Comments on RIPE NCC new Payment Scheme. The Internet is a critical infrastructure on which life depends, especially during wartime. I personally had to make sure of this in Ukraine. Reliable operation of the network depends on many factors, it is not only the availability of power or fuel in generators, but also the accessibility of networks (providers and operators) to traffic exchange points, especially to independent traffic exchange networks. Most traffic exchange points (especially small regional ones) are critically important and greatly improve communication. But with a small number of participants (up to 100 exchange participants), the financial costs of maintaining the IXP are quite significant, most regional traffic exchange points in Ukraine have practically no profits, or their financial income is so low that the introduction of a new payment scheme for resources such as RI is a big problem. Especially when there is war in the country, and paying 1000 euros for PI IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments is a knife in the back. I am the founder of the traffic exchange point in Ukraine: RUDAKi-IX. The creation of IXP from the very beginning did not bring me significant profit, practically one of the lowest port prices is achieved by minimal infrastructure costs and support for the exchange. Most participants are in a state of war and do not have the means to pay membership fees, but now the burden of paying for PI objects must fall on their shoulders, for a moment these are two PI IPv4 + PI IPv6 objects. My personal opinion is negative towards such a significant increase in the cost of these resources. It is necessary to allocate IXP resources from other PI resources and prevent their increase in cost for end users of RIPE NCC. I propose to leave the cost for IXP at EUR 75. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Зауваження до нової Схеми оплати RIPE NCC. Інтернет - це критична інфраструктура від роботи якої залежить життя, особливо під час війни. Мені особисто довелось в цьому впевнитися в Україні. Надійна робота мережі залежить від багатьох факторів, це не лише наявність живлення чи пального в генераторах а і доспутність мереж (провайдерів та оперторів) до точок обміну трафіку, особливо до незалежних мереж обміну трафіку. Більшість точок обміну трафіку (особливо невеликі регіональні) є критично важливими і дуже покращують зв'язок. Але з невеликою кількістю учасників (до 100 учасників біржі) фінансові витрати на підтримання роботи ІХР є досить значними, більшість регіональних точок обміну трафіку в Україні практично не мають прибутків, або їх фінансові надходження наскільки низьке що запровадження новой схеми оплати за ресурси типу РІ - це велика проблема. Особливо коли в країні війна, а сплата 1000 євро за PI IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments - це ніж в спину. Я засновник точки обміну трафіком в Україні: RUDAKi-IX. Створення ІХР із самого початку не мало на мені отримання значного прибутку, практично одна з найменшої ціни порту досягається мінимальними витрати на інфраструктуру і підтримку роботи біржи. Більшість учасників перебувають вкладній війській ситуації і не мають коштів сплачквати членські внески, але тепер на їх плечі має лягти тягар із сплати за обєкти РІ, на хвилинку це два об'єкти PI IPv4 + PI IPv6. Моя особиста думка має негатив до такої значного підвищення вартості за дані ресурси. Потрібно розподіляти ресурси ІХР від інших ресурсів РІ і не допустити їх збільшення вартості для кінцевих користуваців RIPE NCC. Я пропоную залишити для ІХР вартість на рівні EUR 75. -- Best regards, . Rudakov Igor mailto:info@rudaki-ix.net

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Discussion about Charging Scheme to RIPE NCC Members List
by Mirjam Kuehne 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, Please note that conversations related to the RIPE NCC budget and charging scheme should take place on the RIPE NCC members list and not on the RIPE community list: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/members-discuss/ Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne (RIPE Chair and List Moderator)

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Concerns Regarding Proposed Increased Fees for PI Resources
by Viktoriia Opanasiuk 12 Mar '26

12 Mar '26

Dear Members of the Working group, I am writing to express my concern regarding the proposals under consideration for the future RIPE NCC charging scheme, specifically the potential increase in fees for PI Assignment. Any changes to the charging scheme should take regional characteristics into account. Different countries within the RIPE service region have diverse network structures, operator sizes, and resource usage patterns. In Ukraine, PI resources are widely used to ensure network resilience and independence, and the number of organizations using PI blocks significantly exceeds the number of LIRs. This widespread use of PI addressing contributes to a decentralized, robust, and distributed Internet infrastructure. A disproportionate increase in fees for PI blocks, as currently proposed in the consultations, would place a significant financial burden on small ISPs, regional networks, and other infrastructure organizations, many of which are already operating under serious economic pressure during long-term war. This could have several unintended consequences: - Higher fees may discourage the use of PI addressing for multihoming, potentially affecting network resilience and independence. - Additional costs may strain budgets, limiting the ability to maintain robust network architectures. - PI resources are essential for redundancy and rapid traffic rerouting in the event of failures; increasing their cost could unintentionally reduce the adoption of these practices. I therefore urge the Task Force to maintain annual fees for PI resources at the current level, avoiding disproportionate financial burden on operators that rely on these resources for critical connectivity. I appreciate the efforts of the Task Force and the transparency of the ongoing consultation process, and hope that the regional specifics of Ukraine will be duly considered. -- Kind regards, Regional Director Viner Telecom ISP

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New on RIPE Labs: RootViz - New Root DNS Reachability Dashboard
by Alun Davies 11 Mar '26

11 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, In this new guest post from the team at SIDN Labs on RIPE Labs, Gioavane Moura presents RootViz - a new dashboard built on RIPE Atlas data that lets the community visualise real-time measurement results and explore how probes reach the Internet’s root DNS servers: https://labs.ripe.net/author/giovane_moura/rootviz-new-root-dns-reachabilit… Kind regards, Alun Davies RIPE Labs Editor RIPE NCC

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nro
by Thomas Liu 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

(Please Kindly forward this message to your CEO since this is urgent. If you believe this has been delivered to you wrongly, please simply ignore it. Thanks.) Dear CEO, This is a official email. We are the Domain Registration Service company in Shanghai, China. I have something to confirm with you. Baohui Ltd submitted an application on March 11, 2026. They want to register "nro" as their internet keyword and Chinese domain names (nro.cn, nro.com.cn, nro.net.cn, nro.org.cn). But after checking it, we find this name conflicts with your business name or brand name. To deal with this matter better, it's necessary to send this email to you and confirm if Baohui Ltd is your business partner in China? Best regardsThomas Liu General Manager Domain Registry Tel: +86-2161918696 Fax: +86-2161918697 Mob: +86-13816428671 12F Kaike Building, No. 1801 Hongmei Road, Shanghai 200233, China

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by chrisj.estimators＠gmail.com 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

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Re: [ripe-list] PI IPv4 and PI IPv6 IXP assignments
by info＠rudaki-ix.net 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Hello, Christopher. Do not forget that for the operation of the IXP you need 2 resources of the PI and one ASN. And the costs for end users include another % of the commission for their maintenance. Therefore, the costs can be several times more than 1000 euros + tax. Therefore, your calculations are not so reliable) [This email was sent off-list.] Hello Rudaki, For the record, I am not in the RIPE NCC service region, nor am I a resource holder of RIPE NCC delegated address space, so take what I say with a grain of salt. RIPE NCC does offer payment extensions, for those who are experiencing financial hardship. This information is on their website, see https://www.ripe.net/about-us/news/solidarity-with-members-and-network-oper…. Also, after looking at your PeeringDB page it appears that you have (excluding the route servers) about 30 members listed. 1000 euro divided by 30 members works out to be about 35 euro per year which is an insignificant amount for most networks. If your IX operates as a non-profit entity, have you considered speaking to a few of your larger peers about contributions towards the cost or looking at grants from organisations like ISOC to help cover the costs? Regards, Christopher Hawker HawkNet Labs (AS153346) Phone: +61 482 174 184 On Tue, 10 Mar 2026 at 21:41, <info(a)rudaki-ix.net> wrote: Comments on RIPE NCC new Payment Scheme. The Internet is a critical infrastructure on which life depends, especially during wartime. I personally had to make sure of this in Ukraine. Reliable operation of the network depends on many factors, it is not only the availability of power or fuel in generators, but also the accessibility of networks (providers and operators) to traffic exchange points, especially to independent traffic exchange networks. Most traffic exchange points (especially small regional ones) are critically important and greatly improve communication. But with a small number of participants (up to 100 exchange participants), the financial costs of maintaining the IXP are quite significant, most regional traffic exchange points in Ukraine have practically no profits, or their financial income is so low that the introduction of a new payment scheme for resources such as RI is a big problem. Especially when there is war in the country, and paying 1000 euros for PI IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments is a knife in the back. I am the founder of the traffic exchange point in Ukraine: RUDAKi-IX. The creation of IXP from the very beginning did not bring me significant profit, practically one of the lowest port prices is achieved by minimal infrastructure costs and support for the exchange. Most participants are in a state of war and do not have the means to pay membership fees, but now the burden of paying for PI objects must fall on their shoulders, for a moment these are two PI IPv4 + PI IPv6 objects. My personal opinion is negative towards such a significant increase in the cost of these resources. It is necessary to allocate IXP resources from other PI resources and prevent their increase in cost for end users of RIPE NCC. I propose to leave the cost for IXP at EUR 75. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Зауваження до нової Схеми оплати RIPE NCC. Інтернет - це критична інфраструктура від роботи якої залежить життя, особливо під час війни. Мені особисто довелось в цьому впевнитися в Україні. Надійна робота мережі залежить від багатьох факторів, це не лише наявність живлення чи пального в генераторах а і доспутність мереж (провайдерів та оперторів) до точок обміну трафіку, особливо до незалежних мереж обміну трафіку. Більшість точок обміну трафіку (особливо невеликі регіональні) є критично важливими і дуже покращують зв'язок. Але з невеликою кількістю учасників (до 100 учасників біржі) фінансові витрати на підтримання роботи ІХР є досить значними, більшість регіональних точок обміну трафіку в Україні практично не мають прибутків, або їх фінансові надходження наскільки низьке що запровадження новой схеми оплати за ресурси типу РІ - це велика проблема. Особливо коли в країні війна, а сплата 1000 євро за PI IPv4 and IPv6 IXP assignments - це ніж в спину. Я засновник точки обміну трафіком в Україні: RUDAKi-IX. Створення ІХР із самого початку не мало на мені отримання значного прибутку, практично одна з найменшої ціни порту досягається мінимальними витрати на інфраструктуру і підтримку роботи біржи. Більшість учасників перебувають вкладній війській ситуації і не мають коштів сплачквати членські внески, але тепер на їх плечі має лягти тягар із сплати за обєкти РІ, на хвилинку це два об'єкти PI IPv4 + PI IPv6. Моя особиста думка має негатив до такої значного підвищення вартості за дані ресурси. Потрібно розподіляти ресурси ІХР від інших ресурсів РІ і не допустити їх збільшення вартості для кінцевих користуваців RIPE NCC. Я пропоную залишити для ІХР вартість на рівні EUR 75. -- Best regards, . Rudakov Igor mailto:info@rudaki-ix.net ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/ripe-list.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ -- Best regards, . Rudakov Igor mailto:info@rudaki-ix.net https://t.me/rudaki_ix

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The RIPE Chair Team Reports - March 2026
by Mirjam Kuehne 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Dear colleagues, In this new update on RIPE Labs, we report on preparations for RIPE 92, including programme planning, a new training course on public speaking, new opportunities to engage with the research community and more. We also list some recent and upcoming industry events we are participating in. https://labs.ripe.net/author/mirjam_kuhne/the-ripe-chair-team-reports-march… Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne and Anna Wilson RIPE Chair Team

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